Why do people try to give sasuke's BPS feat to Madara?

[SatanicGod]

name an instance where naruto hasent used it?...if you say the last then BSM Naruto = Rinnegan Sasuke

He didn't use it in the Last and you know damn well that your statement is false. As you have no proof of that, besides I'm just saying what Naruto fans be saying *sips tea*

 

[SatanicGod]

U claim I bash because I dont agree with u guys fantasies about what sasuke can do . U guys say sasuke has every ability from tendo to sm to being able to use indras arrow just because he's an adult he doesn't need bijuus . To even sasuke can teleport naruto into indras arrow . Talk about fantasies

No it's not because you don't agree with what Sasuke fans say, it's because in most posts you end up bringing up Sasuke even if he wasn't even mentioned, and start derailing his feats. End up saying bs like "Naruto negged him at VoTE2" which is blatantly denying manga facts. *sips tea*

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

Lol wtf

- Madara has the Rinnegan and used Outer path. He has the ability to manipulate the Bijuu chakra

- Shin: Jukai Kōtan is his own technique that is draining the chakra

- The Shinju has the exact method of draining victims yet Madara was able to take it in

You guys act like manipulating chakra is on Hagoromo's level...oh wait Rinne Sharingan JJ Madara is on his level.
Yet we seen way more advance techniques like Sasuke controlling lightning with Chidori and you people say Madara can't even do the basics and manipulate chakra from his own jutsu using his Rinnegan? Right got it.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

To be honest, I also believe Sasuke needs to show the feats of having other Path Powers before I say he has them all, he needs the knowledge of such a thing to do it, or the skill to discover it himself. Same goes for Madara, no manga panel hints that he knew that he had control over everybody's chakra while they were in IT. Cannot give somebody nonexistent feats, otherwise you are nothing more than a fapboy that should be disregarded.


Lol says the man who constantly bashes Sasuke and his "fans", and you obviously haven't met Naruto fanboys who literally do what you accuse Sasuke fans of doing.
Naruto doesn't use RSM, they go "He was nerfed!" Or "there was no need for it" or even, my personal favorite "Plot"
So please foh with your obviously biased ass

So according to you, Sasuke who has a rinnegan doesn't have all the paths lol ok..

lmaooo and your excuse is that madara doesnt know he has control over the IT victims chakra, Even though he's the one manipulating everyones chakra via jukai kotan to trap them in the genjutsu, or that HE CREATED THE GENJUTSU in the first place?

im done lmfaooo

 

[NextGenNinja]

To be honest, I also believe Sasuke needs to show the feats of having other Path Powers before I say he has them all, he needs the knowledge of such a thing to do it, or the skill to discover it himself. Same goes for Madara, no manga panel hints that he knew that he had control over everybody's chakra while they were in IT. Cannot give somebody nonexistent feats, otherwise you are nothing more than a fapboy that should be disregarded.


Lol says the man who constantly bashes Sasuke and his "fans", and you obviously haven't met Naruto fanboys who literally do what you accuse Sasuke fans of doing.
Naruto doesn't use RSM, they go "He was nerfed!" Or "there was no need for it" or even, my personal favorite "Plot"
So please foh with your obviously biased ass

I couldn't have said it better.
/Sasuke haters

 

[Liquid Snake]

No it's not because you don't agree with what Sasuke fans say, it's because in most posts you end up bringing up Sasuke even if he wasn't even mentioned, and start derailing his feats. End up saying bs like "Naruto negged him at VoTE2" which is blatantly denying manga facts. *sips tea*

I Never said naruto negged him I said naruto held back simply because he didn't want to kill sasuke. He used his power when sasuke used indras arrow. And seeing that sasuke needed all bijuus to equal what naruto can do on his own if he didn't have bijuus and naruto fought to kill obviously it would be a different fight . Plus I never derailed his feats I just don't give him feats like sasuke fans

 

[SatanicGod]

I Never said naruto negged him I said naruto held back simply because he didn't want to kill sasuke. He used his power when sasuke used indras arrow. And seeing that sasuke needed all bijuus to equal what naruto can do on his own if he didn't have bijuus and naruto fought to kill obviously it would be a different fight . Plus I never derailed his feats I just don't give him feats like sasuke fans

Ok then let's use a more accurate statement from you

Why did he stop the fight between sasuke and kinishiki ? After sasuke used ameno did he realize sasuke has to recharge his eye and kinishiki would have soloed him ? I mean its obvious he can't beat kinishiki one on one

After seeing that Sasuke is equal to Kinshiki in a matter of swordsmanship, and seeing that Sasuke can clearly defeat Kinshiki. You make the claim that Sasuke can't defeat him 1 v 1

 

[SatanicGod]

So according to you, Sasuke who has a rinnegan doesn't have all the paths lol ok..

lmaooo and your excuse is that madara doesnt know he has control over the IT victims chakra, Even though he's the one manipulating everyones chakra via jukai kotan to trap them in the genjutsu, or that HE CREATED THE GENJUTSU in the first place?

im done lmfaooo

If memory serves, that was Madara's first time using that technique for starters. He may have started the Jutsu, but there is no evidence that he has knowledge of the fact that he can control their chakras, please learn the difference between casting a Jutsu and mastering the Jutsu. it's like saying that Itachi can control Amaterasu simply because he can use the Jutsu. Or that PTS Naruto can use Oodama Rasengan simply because he knows Rasengan.
Or that Yamcha can use Super Kamehameha simply because he knows Kamehameha.
Using a Jutsu=\= Mastery

Also Edit: 1. Madara didn't create IT, Kaguya did
2. Even if Madara created IT, doesn't mean he mastered it. Minato created Rasengan, yet he can't add an elemental nature to it. Kakashi created Chidori, yet he can't use Chidori Stream or the variants.

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

If memory serves, that was Madara's first time using that technique for starters. He may have started the Jutsu, but there is no evidence that he has knowledge of the fact that he can control their chakras, please learn the difference between casting a Jutsu and mastering the Jutsu.

Lol IT is not what absorbs the chakra, Shin: Jukai Kōtan does. Yet Madara doesn't need to master any Jutsu to manipulate chakra into his PS, his Rinnegan (Outer Path) should already allow him to do that. Shin: Jukai Kōtan works like the Shinju roots but on a larger scale and guess what? Madara already had the ability to absorb that when it wasn't even "his" Jutsu.

it's like saying that Itachi can control Amaterasu simply because he can use the Jutsu. Or that PTS Naruto can use Oodama Rasengan simply because he knows Rasengan.
Or that Yamcha can use Super Kamehameha simply because he knows Kamehameha.
Using a Jutsu=\= Mastery

Again mastering Shin: Jukai Kōtan doesn't give him the ability to absorb the chakra, Manipulating the chakra is a separate skill and even if it is, that's not the only method to do so unless you think Sasuke didn't use Outer Path but Shin: Jukai Kōtan to create BPS.
Mastering Shin: Jukai Kōtan =/= only method of Manipulating Chakra (From his own Jutsu)

Also Edit: 1. Madara didn't create IT, Kaguya did
2. Even if Madara created IT, doesn't mean he mastered it. Minato created Rasengan, yet he can't add an elemental nature to it. Kakashi created Chidori, yet he can't use Chidori Stream or the variants.

Addressed.

 

[SatanicGod]

Lol IT is not what absorbs the chakra, Shin: Jukai Kōtan does. Yet Madara doesn't need to master any Jutsu to manipulate chakra into his PS, his Rinnegan (Outer Path) should already allow him to do that. Shin: Jukai Kōtan works like the Shinju roots but on a larger scale and guess what? Madara already had the ability to absorb that when it wasn't even "his" Jutsu.



Again mastering Shin: Jukai Kōtan doesn't give him the ability to absorb the chakra, Manipulating the chakra is a separate skill and even if it is, that's not the only method to do so unless you think Sasuke didn't use Outer Path but Shin: Jukai Kōtan to create BPS.
Mastering Shin: Jukai Kōtan =/= only method of Manipulating Chakra (From his own Jutsu)



Addressed.

Read the post I quoted, he's the one who said and I quote "HE CREATED THE GENJUTSU". And it could even be speculated that Kaguya consciously made them turn into White Zetsu's instead of it being a passive ability of the jutsu

 

[Liquid Snake]

Ok then let's use a more accurate statement from you


After seeing that Sasuke is equal to Kinshiki in a matter of swordsmanship, and seeing that Sasuke can clearly defeat Kinshiki. You make the claim that Sasuke can't defeat him 1 v 1

Sasuke was getting pushed back even thrown into rocks how is that even and when kinishiki increased his speed sasuke used ameno. Kinishiki is a brutal fighter he is physically stronger than sasuke and its highly unlikely kinishiki only knows taijutsu and kenjutsu . Sasuke even looked worried sometimes against him kinishiki never looked worried at all

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

Read the post I quoted, he's the one who said and I quote "HE CREATED THE GENJUTSU". And it could even be speculated that Kaguya consciously made them turn into White Zetsu's instead of it being a passive ability of the jutsu

Madara didn't create IT he cast it.
White Zetsu or not Shin: Jukai Koutan is the jutsu that drains the chakra which is the only thing that matters.

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

WRECKEDDDD TY for this solo post.

Not really
Databook shows Rsm isn't restricted to showing tsb ,cause even obito could still make tsb when he took madaras senjutsu but When put down the tsb doesnt mean he lost rikudou chakra cause he kept it when he possessed kakashi.
Data book shows naruto was in rsm when he saved guy. He exhibited bsm eyes with no pigment, This is shown later in gaiden and in boruto and its not from narutos control over sm cause it was already perfected and when he goes tsm as an adult the pigment is still there. Naruto only has2 sm and its tsm or rsm. Bsm is tsm and still has eye pigment. And Sasuke is on par with naruto
What do you wanna believe hes on par with bsm or rsm naruto?

 

[Jokule67]

So did Obito. That doesn't prove anything. Sage's Senjutsu automatically gives the power of the 'Universal grasp of all things'; a kind of near-perfect chakra control system that results in that Sage Mode. Yes, the Sage's SM is a byproduct of becoming a Jubi Jin.

To state that it is a step down when he literally created a psudo-Mezo without any Mezo being there is blatantly going against the manga and Kurama's statement. Sasuke's CC IS at the Sage's level. No one else is in that league. So, prove it that it was a step down when the manga disagrees.

Doubt it, as I already explianed. He will be able to control more volume, but control as effectively? Yeah, I would need manga statements, factual statements for that. Not conjecture, when Kurama's statement is explicit enough.

Kurama's statement said nothing about Madara. So it wasnt specific at all. It just stated he is merging the power with as much skill as Hago was seperating them and that Sasuke was strong becuz of it.

There was no need to even mention Madara and it sure as hell doesnt prove that Madara cannot create his own BIJUU PERFECT SUSANO'O especially when he has all 9 bijuu in him already.

 

[shelke]

Kurama's statement said nothing about Madara. So it wasn't specific at all. It just stated he is merging the power with as much skill as Hago was seperating them and that Sasuke was strong becuz of it.

There was no need to even mention Madara and it sure as hell doesn't prove that Madara cannot create his own BIJUU PERFECT SUSANO'O especially when he has all 9 bijuu in him already.

Because he was never factored? Because he was not at that level? Because Kurama ONLY chose Sasuke OVER Madara and Obito to declare that only he was at the sage's level? Because now you are reaching?

Yeah, it proves just that. Sasuke literally created a new Mezo out of his own PS. Show me a page where Madara even remotely showed half that skill, when the Mezo has never been recreated ... ever!

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

Because he was never factored? Because he was not at that level? Because Kurama ONLY chose Sasuke OVER Madara and Obito to declare that only he was at the sage's level? Because now you are reaching?

Yeah, it proves just that. Sasuke literally created a new Mezo out of his own PS. Show me a page where Madara even remotely showed half that skill, when the Mezo has never been recreated ... ever!

Sasuke was being praised for merging the Bijuu chakra together in his PS, while Madara doesn't need to merge anything, he would only need to absorb the chakra into his PS which already has the Juubi boost.

Why would Madara or Obito need to make a new Gedo when they had the real one in their possession? Their aim was to become a Jin and cast IT.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Why the hell are people automatically assuming Madara can make use of the IT chakra the same way Kaguya did or the same way Sasuke did with the Bijuus chakra? LMAO. BS. Madara turned into a balloon literally seconds after absorbing the IT chakra, and that wasn't even a considerable amount in the first place. If he can't handle that less of a quantity, who assumes a BPS type Susanoo is possible with that?

Plus, we don't know if Madara can even use PS after becoming a JJ. He hasn't shown a single instance where he used PS, neither any other version of Susanoo, even when he direly needed it, like against 8G Gai.

 

[NarutoX28]

People like to wank Madara such as Limbo clones being able to use PS.

 

[shelke]

Sasuke was being praised for merging the Bijuu chakra together in his PS, while Madara doesn't need to merge anything, he would only need to absorb the chakra into his PS which already has the Juubi boost.

Why would Madara or Obito need to make a new Gedo when they had the real one in their possession? Their aim was to become a Jin and cast IT.

Sasuke was praised because he created a Mezo structure out of a completely different chakra based structure, whilst balancing a very heavy chakra as smoothly as the Sage would. The manga gives him the credit. Full stop.

Precisely my point. None of their feats match this. Not even close.

 

[SatanicGod]

Not really
Databook shows Rsm isn't restricted to showing tsb ,cause even obito could still make tsb when he took madaras senjutsu but When put down the tsb doesnt mean he lost rikudou chakra cause he kept it when he possessed kakashi.
Data book shows naruto was in rsm when he saved guy. He exhibited bsm eyes with no pigment, This is shown later in gaiden and in boruto and its not from narutos control over sm cause it was already perfected and when he goes tsm as an adult the pigment is still there. Naruto only has2 sm and its tsm or rsm. Bsm is tsm and still has eye pigment. And Sasuke is on par with naruto
What do you wanna believe hes on par with bsm or rsm naruto?

@bold tell that to Liquid Snake