Kakuzu vs Hiashi

[Zexion~]

I never said it destroyed kido's heart. Kido said some of his internal organs are damaged since he has multiple internal organs, you know; liver, stomach, lungs, intestine and the such.
The only internal organs kakazu has is hearts therefore instead of damaging "multiple organs" there's only 1 real target.


i dont see why hiashi's chakra can't flow through the vines/threads when its quite clear that kakazu's chakra flows through them. Unless you have another explanation.

If Kakuzu's chakra flowed within them than I don't see why they would be rendered useless whenever they were sliced off, Kido's retain their strength when not attatched to Kido thanks to the chakra he places in them yet Kakuzu's are useless when disconnected from a chakra source (He needed to send out a heart along with the threads in order for them to move on their own) So they could very well simply be controlled by a chakra source by remaining connected to one, Kind of sorta (maybe not) like Kimi's bones, pretty sure they don't contain chakra themselves but his chakra allows him to alter them in a physical way.

Also we don't know where all the threads end up, there are countless threads within his body so saying that the one Hiashi tries to pull this off with will lead directly to a pathway of the heart is assumption, and I don't really know what happens at the end but if a burst of chakra is involved when the chakra reaches the opponenet than it can be said the mass of threads would shield the one heart anyways, even if it is taken down though he can revive and would never fall for the same tactic.

 

[Draegod]

If Kakuzu's chakra flowed within them than I don't see why they would be rendered useless whenever they were sliced off, Kido's retain their strength when not attatched to Kido thanks to the chakra he places in them yet Kakuzu's are useless when disconnected from a chakra source (He needed to send out a heart along with the threads in order for them to move on their own) So they could very well simply be controlled by a chakra source by remaining connected to one, Kind of sorta (maybe not) like Kimi's bones, pretty sure they don't contain chakra themselves but his chakra allows him to alter them in a physical way.


Also we don't know where all the threads end up, there are countless threads within his body so saying that the one Hiashi tries to pull this off with will lead directly to a pathway of the heart is assumption, and I don't really know what happens at the end but if a burst of chakra is involved when the chakra reaches the opponenet than it can be said the mass of threads would shield the one heart anyways, even if it is taken down though he can revive and would never fall for the same tactic.

Lol I'll step in for a sec. Jyuken doesn't use the threads/webs to travel to a "organ", they use the chakra network that is inside every living being to attack multiple or single pinpointed organs. To break it down in the simplest way; thread has or is controlled by chakra (proof in the fact the hearts when seperate operate off of seperate chakra and turn to liquid when killed (no longer a solid)) is bypassed by jyuken then the chakra network is attacked and blasted from the inside damaging organs. His main body gets destroyed by jyuken and a single touch to the heart ends him. The mask, if the magically manage to seperate in time every elemental attack they attempt is seen before it even gets to the charging stage then they are blasted nigh instantly and one shotted.

 

[KCN]

Hiashi wins. The Hyuuga probably have the hardest moveset to counter when we discuss characters around their level.

 

[ToshiZO]

Hiashi wins. The Hyuuga probably have the hardest moveset to counter when we discuss characters around their level.

Thats great since Hiashi isn't around Kakuzu's level.

 

[KCN]

Thats great since Hiashi isn't around Kakuzu's level.

Never said he is. Was talking about the Hyuuga in general.

 

[ToshiZO]

Never said he is. Was talking about the Hyuuga in general.

Then your statement makes no sense.

 

[KCN]

Then your statement makes no sense.

How does it make no sense when I specifically said "The Hyuuga", and not Hiashi? You must take pride in being an annoying little runt. You're like a thorn in my ass right now. Go away.

 

[ToshiZO]

How does it make no sense when I specifically said "The Hyuuga", and not Hiashi? You must take pride in being an annoying little runt. You're like a thorn in my ass right now. Go away.

"Hiashi wins. The Hyuuga probably have the hardest moveset to counter when we discuss characters around their level." Who are they?

 

[Curse Mark]

How does it make no sense when I specifically said "The Hyuuga", and not Hiashi? You must take pride in being an annoying little runt. You're like a thorn in my ass right now. Go away.

You did start off your statement by saying Hiashi wins. If you weren't offering the second sentence as further information to back up the first, why even say it?

Never said he is. Was talking about the Hyuuga in general.

You did say he wins though.. So how did you not say they're around the same level?

 

[Lord Tywin]

You did start off your statement by saying Hiashi wins. If you weren't offering the second sentence as further information to back up the first, why even say it?



You did say he wins though.. So how did you not say they're around the same level?

he meant that Hiashi is >>>Kakuzu

 

[Curse Mark]

he meant that Hiashi is >>>Kakuzu

Then why did he say that he never said they were on the same level? This is just one big clusterfucl

 

[Draegod]

Then why did he say that he never said they were on the same level? This is just one big clusterfucl

Opinions seeing as no one here is Kishi. Plus Lvs mean nothing when it comes to match ups.

 

[Bogard]

The Hiashi hype train still going strong i see...

 

[Zexion~]

Lol I'll step in for a sec. Jyuken doesn't use the threads/webs to travel to a "organ", they use the chakra network that is inside every living being to attack multiple or single pinpointed organs. To break it down in the simplest way; thread has or is controlled by chakra (proof in the fact the hearts when seperate operate off of seperate chakra and turn to liquid when killed (no longer a solid))

Whenever they are disconnected with the heart they revert to being useless, yet Kido's threads remain solid and intact even when cut off from the chakra source leading me to believe they function in totally different ways.

Everything else you said is irrelevant.


Hiashi is never gaining the ground needed to touch Kakuzu.

Kakuzu's jutsu can top rotation in my view.

Threads can still be used in long range mode to pierce Hiashi.

 

[Curse Mark]

Didn't the threads of the first heart killed turn into a puddle?

 

[Zexion~]

Didn't the threads of the first heart killed turn into a puddle?

Yessss..... So did the threads merely sliced off from Kakuzu (internets not letting me search up scans)

 

[KingHashirama]

No way

Stats wise he was inferior to Kakashi.. Portrayal wise he was inferior to Kakashi/Darui/Mifune/Kitsuchi << people who were put out as the strongest ninja from each village, after the kages of those village.

Hiashi's strongest thing was the juubi hand deflection. And other than that hes a bit stronger than Neji.

Thats the only reason why I ask, if he even stronger than Kakashi?

 

[Nagato The Sage]

Hiashi gets bodied. By portrayal he's below Kage level and sitting at the top of Jonin. He gets one feat of a large attack and all of a sudden people start wanking

 

[Tantalus Thief]

The Hiashi hype train still going strong i see...

All because air palmed the Juubi's hand lmao.

 

[Draegod]

Hiashi gets bodied. By portrayal he's below Kage level and sitting at the top of Jonin. He gets one feat of a large attack and all of a sudden people start wanking

Lmao by portrayal? He killed a village leader second to the raikage. They have there own rules that even the hokage him self has no power over. An elite joinin like Kurenai even has to ask and treats him like her superior. He is the only ninja out side of top high high kage level who over powered the juubi.. By portrayal he is above joinin period!