Summons vs Perfect susanoo

[DrProof]

Shukaku was HEAVILY nerfed. Not only that, Shukaku didn't have time to accumulate strength, the longer the host sleeps, and the Ichibi fights the stronger he gets.

Shukaku is immune to physical attacks, being able to regenerate body parts because of sand properties.
TBB (obviously)
Fuinjutsu (sealing)
Sand-based attacks

Shukaku is the 2nd - 3rd strongest tailed beast.

Gamabunta was getting wrecked by simple Fuuton Blast. :lol

 

[Jokule67]

Let's just say Gamabunta was roughly at the strength of Shukaku the one tail. That puts him barely at the level of the lowest ranking Bijuu. Even then it was a total struggle for him. He would loose badly to bijuu 2-9

I never said he is equal to shukaku. Gama is merely a tool for capable shinobi to exploit. Its common sense he cannot beat Shukaku.

 

[Jokule67]

Only the top part was meant for you. The jutsu gaara works makes shukaku grow stronger over time. To put it simply shukaku's powers are surfaced the longer gaara is knocked out

That was never stated son. Like I said reread. Cuz I already did.

 

[SatanicGod]

No he wasnt. Garra fell asleep which releases Shukaku. Its called the Playing Possom Technique. As long as the Medium(Garra) is AWAKE Shukakus powers are supressed. Garra was ASLEEP while Shukaku ran free. The goal of Naruto and Gama was to WAKE HIM UP. You only proved me right

Shukaku at full power wouldn't have that weak spot, he would just be rampaging about and they would actually have to defeat him

 

[DrProof]

That was never stated son. Like I said reread. Cuz I already did.

Yes it is. Go reread the manga breh.

 

[CM Punk]

The only summon that can beat Perfect Susano'o is Bray Wyatt's Braun Strowman. He no-sells anything PS can dish out.

 

[SatanicGod]

Once Gaar fell asleep, shukaku was at full strength but it was a part 1 level of full strength. Every other biju could use TBB but shukaku never did, implying kishi added that tech to all bijus' repertoire in part 2. Bottom line is Shukaku was at full strength but he was weak compared to part 2 bijus so no summons even come close to PS or even an average biju.

Manda 2 might stand a chance though and turtle island could obviously tank a biju bomb lol.

Yeah because a Biju Bomb negs anybody in Part 1

 

[Ambivalence]

Shukaku is the 2nd - 3rd strongest tailed beast.

Don't know about that...

 

[KidGamer65]

First of all, PS obliterates any Bijuu in combat that isn't Kurama. Half Kurama/BM Naruto get punked by Madara's PS, but definitely not to the extent the others do. Full Kurama is the only Bijuu that can possibly beat PS. Inb4 "PS rivals the Bijuu".

-He never specified which Bijuu.
-DB also states that Mokujin and SS can do battle with Bijuu. Yet they aren't equal. Yet SS already took out PS AND the strongest Bijuu at full power.

Second of all, no summon matches PS in power. It'd take high tiered summons like Manda II and Gedo Mazo just to defeat regular V3 or V4 Susanoo. All other summons get raped let alone against PS.

 

[Jokule67]

Yes it is. Go reread the manga breh.

I did. Twice today. Did you? The manga is on this site. How bout you click the link.

 

[Jokule67]

Shukaku at full power wouldn't have that weak spot, he would just be rampaging about and they would actually have to defeat him

It was still full power shukaku weak spot or not

 

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[UchiGod Itachi]

No he wasnt. Garra fell asleep which releases Shukaku. Its called the Playing Possom Technique. As long as the Medium(Garra) is AWAKE Shukakus powers are supressed. Garra was ASLEEP while Shukaku ran free. The goal of Naruto and Gama was to WAKE HIM UP. You only proved me right

Your argument isn't valid because he didn't fight a full powered shukaku the whole fight on top of naruto begging kurama for chakra if he was on the level of a perfect susanoo he wouldn't have to in the first place.

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[Lance171]

During the gaara vs naruto fight we saw the toad boss fight evenly with the one tail bijuu shukaku and when PS was first used, madara said it's destructive power was powerful enough to rival a bijuu.
So according to the mad man kishi's logic, a powerful summon can fight a PS

lol that's how ridiculous our dear manga became

good point but it def has to be a top notch summon to fight a bijuu

 

[Jokule67]

Your argument isn't valid because he didn't fight a full powered shukaku the whole fight on top of naruto begging kurama for chakra if he was on the level of a perfect susanoo he wouldn't have to in the first place.

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I never supported Gamabunta being on PS level. I stated several times he was'nt on other posts. My arguement was that Shukaku indeed was at full power against Gamabunta. Its quite obvious he loses to any bijuu.

The most Gama can do is hold bijuus down. Examples are Full Power Kurama and Shukaku.

 

[lndra]

I don't think Shukkaku was at full power bro.

 

[Floydical]

Shukaku was HEAVILY nerfed. Not only that, Shukaku didn't have time to accumulate strength, the longer the host sleeps, and the Ichibi fights the stronger he gets.

Shukaku is immune to physical attacks, being able to regenerate body parts because of sand properties.
TBB (obviously)
Fuinjutsu (sealing)
Sand-based attacks

Shukaku is the 2nd - 3rd strongest tailed beast.

Gamabunta was getting wrecked by simple Fuuton Blast. :lol

What, what? Sand regeneration? Naw bro, Shukaku had his arm cleaved off by boss toad and did not regenerate it at any point in the fight. Also, Shukaku was never shown to have TBB even in part 2 when all the biju were spamming it. You can't just assume it to be true.

Lastly, where is everyone getting this increase in strength over time biz? Please don't say it's stated on the wiki, where in the manga does it say that?

 

[VongolaX]

Powerful summonings can only do battle with a bijuu, PHYSICALLY.

So stuff like this:

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Can happen with a high level summoning. Only a few bijuus show superior strength than one another but realistically a summoning such a boss toad or moukijin can only physically tangle with a bijuu. Other than that, Bijuus have superior power than all the summonings.

So when Madara said that his Susanoo is destruction incarnated compared to a bijuu, he was simply talking about power.

Powerful=/=Stronger

It's like comparing the Thor to the Hulk.

 

[Aznkidd]

PS rivals bijuu. Summons don't.

there are summon that > PS lol

 

[Ambivalence]

there are summon that > PS lol

In your own manga, sure.