[Discussion] One piece confesion

[Wes Sine]

I hate Blackbeard and before you jump to any conclusions let me explain.

BB in one piece is suposed to be inspired by the real life pirate Blackbeard, Edward Teach (1680-1718). He was so Furious on his battles that its said smoke was comiing out of his beards. Knowing that before i even start watching One piece, when Teach was introduced to us as BB I was freaking disappointed and as the show continiued I was dissapointed even more, cause all the ''power'' he has now came from absolute luck, he got the fruit he exactly wanted from pure luck, and leaving his powers aside he is a freaking chiken, when he saw that even with his Yami Yami DF coudn't kill WB so easy even though WB was exhausted, so he ordered his whole crew start firing at him. And lets say screw that too, do you kill a man that literally cared for you as a father? And if you do you do it so anethicly? Because even for a pirate that was anethic way to kill you previous Captain.

P.S.
He is freaking ugly too

 

[Skull Knight]

doffy killed his father
BB is fine. Donot compare him with real BB.
donot worry he must have become a stronger pirate now afterall he is the final villain in OP

 

[Urda]

doffy killed his father
BB is fine. Donot compare him with real BB.
donot worry he must have become a stronger pirate now afterall he is the final villain in OP

I don't think he is.

 

[Skull Knight]

I don't think he is.

well who knows what BB's df awakening can do? so i still have trust in BB

 

[Portgas D Xatch]

So your saying that you dont like the main antagonist? Then he's well written,he's not supposed to be liked he's a bad guy

 

[Wes Sine]

So your saying that you dont like the main antagonist? Then he's well written,he's not supposed to be liked he's a bad guy

You are wrong, Enel was a bad guy and I like him same as Eustass Kid, even Doffy

 

[ssjelf]

Welcome to how real life pirates are. They are cheats, thieves, and opportunists. Expecting some honorable fighter who wasn't an overgrown rat was where you went wrong.

 

[Caliburn]

1) The BB in real life supposedly stuck smoking threads in his beard to give that furious look, with other words it was a gimmick.

2) BB was able to scar Shanks, one of the Yonkou, years before he obtained his DF. He was able to kill Thatch, the 4th Division commander of WB, meaning one of his strongest subordinates before he had eaten the fruit.

3) When he obtained the fruit he was able to gather a strong crew, became a Shichibukai and then suckered both the WB pirates as the Marines into his trap. BB is responsible for the death of Ace, WB, the War of the Best and the crumbling of the power balance. He used the marines for his own purposes and immediately ditched them afterwards while at the same time he pretty much broke the WB pirates. Consequently he immediately took over WB's territory and became one of the Yonkou. This all in a timespan of barely a year.

4) BB waited decades for that fruit. You can call it "luck" that he eventually found it considering how small the odds were, but that he had to wait that long is not something I would call that lucky and what he did with it even less. He was already plenty strong before he had the fruit and then he was able to use his fruit to its utmost potential. He pulled one of the most successful and elaborate schemes in the series using the WG, the marines and the world's strongest pirate as mere pawns. That's not just luck, his DF didn't granted him that, he did that by using the DF efficiently.

5) WB is still WB. That BB used his crew only shows that he was intelligent enough to see that even on that moment he could potentially die if he took him on alone.

6) The real BB didn't became the most notorious pirate in the world by being a gentleman and by being handsome. He was a freaking pirate with a huge black bear. Frankly the OP BB seems to resemble the image of the real BB more than the image you are trying to uphold here.

 

[Wes Sine]

1) The BB in real life supposedly stuck smoking threads in his beard to give that furious look, with other words it was a gimmick.

2) BB was able to scar Shanks, one of the Yonkou, years before he obtained his DF. He was able to kill Thatch, the 4th Division commander of WB, meaning one of his strongest subordinates before he had eaten the fruit.

3) When he obtained the fruit he was able to gather a strong crew, became a Shichibukai and then suckered both the WB pirates as the Marines into his trap. BB is responsible for the death of Ace, WB, the War of the Best and the crumbling of the power balance. He used the marines for his own purposes and immediately ditched them afterwards while at the same time he pretty much broke the WB pirates. Consequently he immediately took over WB's territory and became one of the Yonkou. This all in a timespan of barely a year.

4) BB waited decades for that fruit. You can call it "luck" that he eventually found it considering how small the odds were, but that he had to wait that long is not something I would call that lucky and what he did with it even less. He was already plenty strong before he had the fruit and then he was able to use his fruit to its utmost potential. He pulled one of the most successful and elaborate schemes in the series using the WG, the marines and the world's strongest pirate as mere pawns. That's not just luck, his DF didn't granted him that, he did that by using the DF efficiently.

5) WB is still WB. That BB used his crew only shows that he was intelligent enough to see that even on that moment he could potentially die if he took him on alone.

6) The real BB didn't became the most notorious pirate in the world by being a gentleman and by being handsome. He was a freaking pirate with a huge black bear. Frankly the OP BB seems to resemble the image of the real BB more than the image you are trying to uphold here.

We don't know if his crew is strong, in fact the only thing we actually saw from his crew was Burges gettin beaten up by Sabo, and I don't think BB killed Thatch fairly, the image that gave us the anime was something more of a backstab.

 

[WhistleBlower]

Not as ugly as Edward weeble U_U

 

[Skull Knight]

Not as ugly as Edward weeble U_U

Edward Weeble is not Whitebeard son.
Bonny maybe Whitebeards daughter.

 

[chopstickchakra]

1) The BB in real life supposedly stuck smoking threads in his beard to give that furious look, with other words it was a gimmick.

2) BB was able to scar Shanks, one of the Yonkou, years before he obtained his DF. He was able to kill Thatch, the 4th Division commander of WB, meaning one of his strongest subordinates before he had eaten the fruit.

3) When he obtained the fruit he was able to gather a strong crew, became a Shichibukai and then suckered both the WB pirates as the Marines into his trap. BB is responsible for the death of Ace, WB, the War of the Best and the crumbling of the power balance. He used the marines for his own purposes and immediately ditched them afterwards while at the same time he pretty much broke the WB pirates. Consequently he immediately took over WB's territory and became one of the Yonkou. This all in a timespan of barely a year.

4) BB waited decades for that fruit. You can call it "luck" that he eventually found it considering how small the odds were, but that he had to wait that long is not something I would call that lucky and what he did with it even less. He was already plenty strong before he had the fruit and then he was able to use his fruit to its utmost potential. He pulled one of the most successful and elaborate schemes in the series using the WG, the marines and the world's strongest pirate as mere pawns. That's not just luck, his DF didn't granted him that, he did that by using the DF efficiently.

5) WB is still WB. That BB used his crew only shows that he was intelligent enough to see that even on that moment he could potentially die if he took him on alone.

6) The real BB didn't became the most notorious pirate in the world by being a gentleman and by being handsome. He was a freaking pirate with a huge black bear. Frankly the OP BB seems to resemble the image of the real BB more than the image you are trying to uphold here.

1. You got that from Assassin's Creed Black Flag.

2. While it's most likely he was a yonko at the time Teach scarred him there's no timeline that establishes that. We still don't know when Shanks became a Yonko, did it happen before or after he lost his arm and how long before or after. Everyone constantly says the division number doesn't equate strength until they want to use it to suit there point of view, and we don't know where Teach was ranked when he wa a member he may have been 3rd and Thatch 4th and when he killed him and left Jozu who may have been 5th may have been bumped to 3rd, there's too much unknown to give such a definitive answer as you did. Also he snuck up from behind at night on his friend, it wasn't a hard fought victory.

 

[WhistleBlower]

Edward Weeble is not Whitebeard son.
Bonny maybe Whitebeards daughter.

Did i say i believe he is whitebeards son? No!!

Anyone in their right mind , would believe otherwise

 

[Skull Knight]

Did i say i believe he is whitebeards son? No!!

Anyone in their right mind , would believe otherwise

i saw some post last week where some people said that maybe he is WB's son as they both have same strength.
sorry for that.

 

[bajram]

That is what a real pirate is, Teach is ****ing awesome he would go through any kind of thing just to obtain what he wants whether that is by backstabbing or whatever bad shit a human can do, its just how it is he isnt playing pirate he is a true pirate fighting for domination.

 

[chopstickchakra]

That is what a real pirate is, Teach is ****ing awesome he would go through any kind of thing just to obtain what he wants whether that is by backstabbing or whatever bad shit a human can do, its just how it is he isnt playing pirate he is a true pirate fighting for domination.

And that'd all be fine if he wasn't such a coward in the face of adversity.

 

[Caliburn]

We don't know if his crew is strong, in fact the only thing we actually saw from his crew was Burges gettin beaten up by Sabo, and I don't think BB killed Thatch fairly, the image that gave us the anime was something more of a backstab.

Dude, seriously?

He recruited 4 people that were locked on level 6 of Impel Down. These were pirates so vile and who committed such atrocious acts that the WG decided to 'erase' their existence from the world. Just one of them would be enough to throw an entire country into chaos. He then recruited Shiryuu, the warden of Impel Down whose job it was to keep an entire prison of people like them at bay and that the rest of his crew are likewise strong you don't even need to find any proof for as the fact that BB recruited them and made them his closest companions says enough. BB is one of the Yonkou, he's not going to let some weaklings hold all the important positions in his crew.

And it doesn't matter whether it was fairly or not, they're pirates and Thatch was the 4th division commander. That means he was powerful enough that only someone who is likewise strong could have backstabbed him as you don't simply backstab someone like Thatch, especially not when it's nearly certain he had Haki considering lower ranked division commanders had it. If BB indeed backstabbed him, that would show that much more how powerful he is.

1. You got that from Assassin's Creed Black Flag.

2. While it's most likely he was a yonko at the time Teach scarred him there's no timeline that establishes that. We still don't know when Shanks became a Yonko, did it happen before or after he lost his arm and how long before or after. Everyone constantly says the division number doesn't equate strength until they want to use it to suit there point of view, and we don't know where Teach was ranked when he wa a member he may have been 3rd and Thatch 4th and when he killed him and left Jozu who may have been 5th may have been bumped to 3rd, there's too much unknown to give such a definitive answer as you did. Also he snuck up from behind at night on his friend, it wasn't a hard fought victory.

1) I got that from a historical magazine, AC doesn't make these things up you know.

2) The timeline really doesn't matter. The fact that the scar dons Shanks' jolly roger says enough. Shanks said it himself "It's not like I was careless", Shanks even went so far as to talk to WB in person in an attempt to stop Ace's hunt for BB because it was BB. And that the closer the division number is to 1, the stronger the commanders will be is nearly certain. The 1st commander Marco took over the crew after WB's death and was confident enough to take on several admirals. The 2nd commander Ace was confident enough to take on several admirals and was being groomed to become the next Pirate King. The 3rd commander Joze was confident enough to take on an admiral. The 5th commander Vista was a world-renowned swordsman that even Mihawk acknowledged and was confident enough to take on an admiral. However the higher the number, the less known and the less impressive the commanders become. Atmos was a plaything for DD and Kiel got served by Akainu. Thatch had one of the numbers closest to 1, so he was a powerful individual. Whether the WB pirates themselves had the idea of having the strongest commanders holding the lowest numbers again doesn't really matter as Oda pretty much follows that principle. Also Teach never had any rank, he was in the 2nd division under Ace.

And again you don't backstab someone like Thatch just like that. Ace attempted hundreds of times to assassinate WB, even while he was sleeping and being tied to medical equipment. WB was able to brush them all off like they were nothing. The fact that BB succeeded in it with Thatch is nothing less than a confirmation of his natural strength. It wasn't meant to be a hard fought victory, that would have been completely and utterly retarded. Let me remind you what BB actually did: he broke the one and only iron-clad rule on the ship of the strongest pirate in the world, he killed a nakama and what's more he got away with it and it eventually led to the demise of his former commander and captain. What do you think would have happened if BB and Thatch started to have a fair fight? Then BB would have been screwed as then the entire crew would have known it. He had to kill Thatch swiftly, silently and disappear as soon as possible before anyone noticed it. That can in fact be called more impressive than killing him in a fair fight.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Dude, seriously?

He recruited 4 people that were locked on level 6 of Impel Down. These were pirates so vile and who committed such atrocious acts that the WG decided to 'erase' their existence from the world. Just one of them would be enough to throw an entire country into chaos. He then recruited Shiryuu, the warden of Impel Down whose job it was to keep an entire prison of people like them at bay and that the rest of his crew are likewise strong you don't even need to find any proof for as the fact that BB recruited them and made them his closest companions says enough. BB is one of the Yonkou, he's not going to let some weaklings hold all the important positions in his crew.

And it doesn't matter whether it was fairly or not, they're pirates and Thatch was the 4th division commander. That means he was powerful enough that only someone who is likewise strong could have backstabbed him as you don't simply backstab someone like Thatch, especially not when it's nearly certain he had Haki considering lower ranked division commanders had it. If BB indeed backstabbed him, that would show that much more how powerful he is.



1) I got that from a historical magazine, AC doesn't make these things up you know.

2) The timeline really doesn't matter. The fact that the scar dons Shanks' jolly roger says enough. Shanks said it himself "It's not like I was careless", Shanks even went so far as to talk to WB in person in an attempt to stop Ace's hunt for BB because it was BB. And that the closer the division number is to 1, the stronger the commanders will be is nearly certain. The 1st commander Marco took over the crew after WB's death and was confident enough to take on several admirals. The 2nd commander Ace was confident enough to take on several admirals and was being groomed to become the next Pirate King. The 3rd commander Joze was confident enough to take on an admiral. The 5th commander Vista was a world-renowned swordsman that even Mihawk acknowledged and was confident enough to take on an admiral. However the higher the number, the less known and the less impressive the commanders become. Atmos was a plaything for DD and Kiel got served by Akainu. Thatch had one of the numbers closest to 1, so he was a powerful individual. Whether the WB pirates themselves had the idea of having the strongest commanders holding the lowest numbers again doesn't really matter as Oda pretty much follows that principle. Also Teach never had any rank, he was in the 2nd division under Ace.

And again you don't backstab someone like Thatch just like that. Ace attempted hundreds of times to assassinate WB, even while he was sleeping and being tied to medical equipment. WB was able to brush them all off like they were nothing. The fact that BB succeeded in it with Thatch is nothing less than a confirmation of his natural strength. It wasn't meant to be a hard fought victory, that would have been completely and utterly retarded. Let me remind you what BB actually did: he broke the one and only iron-clad rule on the ship of the strongest pirate in the world, he killed a nakama and what's more he got away with it and it eventually led to the demise of his former commander and captain. What do you think would have happened if BB and Thatch started to have a fair fight? Then BB would have been screwed as then the entire crew would have known it. He had to kill Thatch swiftly, silently and disappear as soon as possible before anyone noticed it. That can in fact be called more impressive than killing him in a fair fight.

And that the closer the division number is to 1, the stronger the commanders will be is nearly certain.

A lot of people have said Oda said in an SBS that's not true(though they said it in Ace discussions and it's an easy way to downplay Ace)

Also Teach never had any rank, he was in the 2nd division under Ace.[Also Teach never had any rank, he was in the 2nd division under Ace.

Was he? I don't recall that ever being said and if so wouldn't he have been on Ace's boat then? So why was Thatch there if he was a commander with his own boat? Can you find the page that mentions he was a member of the 2nd division.

And again you don't backstab someone like Thatch just like that. Ace attempted hundreds of times to assassinate WB, even while he was sleeping and being tied to medical equipment. WB was able to brush them all off like they were nothing.

Are we really comparing WB's sneak attack defenses to Thatch's? We know literally nothing about Thatch except his division commander spot.

 

[Punk Hazard]

cause all the ''power'' he has now came from absolute luck, he got the fruit he exactly wanted from pure luck, and leaving his powers aside he is a freaking chiken

Uhh no. He waited 20 years on Whitebeard's ship and studied every Devil Fruit because he knew that being on the crew of the strongest man will increase his chances to get the fruit. That was not luck, that was smart planning.

How he got the Gura isn't known, so you can't call that luck either.

A chicken? Does a chicken storm a war filled with people like the Whitebeard Pirate's fleet of thousands, and then stand off against Sengoku, Garp, and make himself an enemy of every single one of the thousands of people there, including aforementioned Marines, the Whitebeard Commanders, the Shichibukai, hundreds of thousands of Marines and the Admirals with just 10 people?

A lot of people have said Oda said in an SBS that's not true(though they said it in Ace discussions and it's an easy way to downplay Ace)

Was he? I don't recall that ever being said and if so wouldn't he have been on Ace's boat then? So why was Thatch there if he was a commander with his own boat? Can you find the page that mentions he was a member of the 2nd division.

Are we really comparing WB's sneak attack defenses to Thatch's? We know literally nothing about Thatch except his division commander spot.

Oda never said anything about strength. He said the number of the division crew doesn't rank authority. The Division commanders are all on the same level of authority. Ace can't tell Thatch what to do, Thatch can't tell Jozu, Marco can't tell them, etc. etc., unless one of them becomes captain.

Yes he was. Ace asked Teach if he wanted to be division commander instead of him, which Teach declined.

 

[Akuma]

well who knows what BB's df awakening can do? so i still have trust in BB

I'm almost sure he won't be able to awaken his DFs