is 7gate gai faster then v2 Ay?

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

im not exactly sure but was this ever confirmed ?? i mean i remember kcm naruto matching his reaction/foot speed but ay wasnt going for kill he was trying to hold them back etc...? he also had better speed feats during war so yeah?

is 7 gate gai (i know 8th gate gai def he distorts space when moving) and if so by how much?

also how much faster is 8th gate gai from onooki v2 ay duo?

You must be registered for see images

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

Hell yeah Gaara who seen A fight before when seeing Guy opening up the 7 gates he refereed to his movement as unhuman

You must be registered for see images

 

[LuckyMan]

Hell yeah Gaara who seen A fight before when seeing Guy opening up the 7 gates he refereed to his movement as unhuman

Gaaras statement is correct for what he said. Inner Gates work by letting humans use 100% of their muscle power when without them you're only using 20%. Gais movements were in fact inhuman since normally that's not possible to move like that but the movements being inhuman doesn't mean they're the fastest movements so it doesn't come close to proving Gai is faster.

@OP

Gai has faster striking speed. Ay has better reaction and movement speed.

 

[BLAZE]

Didn't 7th gate guy landed hits on JJ maddy :|

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Right after Ay proclaimed himself as the fastest shinobi alive, he got outsped by KCM Naruto. This statement obviously doesn't apply to 8G Gai, and nothing implies Ay knows what 7G Gai is capable of for similar reasons. 7G Gai's feat against JJ Madara is far more impressive then anything Ay has shown in front of Edo Madara, so I'd put my money on him. If anything, the difference in travelling speed is negligible either way, but Gai by far has superior body and striking speed.

 

[Xlad]

Waiting for opposition to say otherwise.

 

[BLAZE]

Gaaras statement is correct for what he said. Inner Gates work by letting humans use 100% of their muscle power when without them you're only using 20%. Gais movements were in fact inhuman since normally that's not possible to move like that but the movements being inhuman doesn't mean they're the fastest movements so it doesn't come close to proving Gai is faster.

@OP

Gai has faster striking speed. Ay has better reaction and movement speed.

You must be registered for see images

Damn :lol

 

[KidGamer65]

-Edo Madara blocks full speed Ay.
-7G Gai put JJ Madara on his toes, to some extent.

Gai is at least as fast as Ay shunshin wise, if not faster, but Gai blows him out of the water in literally every other area of speed. That shouldn't be debatable unless you think Ay would've performed just as well as Gai did.

 

[LuckyMan]

-Edo Madara blocks full speed Ay.
-7G Gai put JJ Madara on his toes, to some extent.

Gai is at least as fast as Ay shunshin wise, if not faster, but Gai blows him out of the water in literally every other area of speed. That shouldn't be debatable unless you think Ay would've performed just as well as Gai did.

Ay attacked Edo Madara with Mei in V1. No he didn't put Madara on his toes whatsoever and Madara could have cut him down if he wanted, not sure why you think that's the case, when Madara can intercept Gais fastest punch yet somehow can't intercept the slower ones. Gai is not as fast as Ay shunshin wise, otherwise Ay wouldn't hold the title of being the fastest alive, well after 7G was revealed.

If Ay was in Gais situation, he'd shunshin to Madara faster than Gai did, but would get knocked down in the middle of his punch because his strike speed is inferior to Gai's.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Ay is faster. If the two had a race, Ay would win because his shunshin is faster. 7 gates Gai has been around for a long time, its not something Kishi just came up with last minute, kishi wouldnt have called him the fastest alive if Gai could compete with his movement speed. Not sure why people still repeating that same nonsense about jj madara. His striking/taijutsu, the way his body moves are inhuman. That has nothing to do with his movement speed being he fastest. Gai can throw a punch faster than Ay, thats all. Making it harder for madara to counter in cqc, not sure how any of that is relevant to Ays top speed.

Got the like of Tsuande, Lee and Kakashi who all know of Gais capabilities. Did any one of them claim Gai is the fastest shinobi alive? No they did not. When gaara made his statement about gai, did gaara say "wow, he is faster than the raikage".. No he did not. Madara got blind sided and caught off guard and reacted late. Once madara regained himself, he countered gais fastest punch.

 

[KidGamer65]

Ay attacked Edo Madara with Mei in V1. No he didn't put Madara on his toes whatsoever and Madara could have cut him down if he wanted, not sure why you think that's the case, when Madara can intercept Gais fastest punch yet somehow can't intercept the slower ones. Gai is not as fast as Ay shunshin wise, otherwise Ay wouldn't hold the title of being the fastest alive, well after 7G was revealed.

If Ay was in Gais situation, he'd shunshin to Madara faster than Gai did, but would get knocked down in the middle of his punch because his strike speed is inferior to Gai's.

Ay's wording and the entire context of the situation disagrees with you. Not to mention there are even panels are Kishimoto draws him with his V2 appearance and his V1 appearance.

-Says that he needs more speed to break his guard.

Why would he say this if all he could do was just go top speed?

-Ends up joining with Onoki.

Why do this when all he could've done was go top speed?

Why be frustrated at his lack of ability when he had the ability?

You mean Hirudora? :lol. That "fastest punch" excuse makes zero sense and I shouldn't even have to explain why. Gai has to stop, form a handsign and then fire off Hirudora after the air pressure has gathered. That's not faster than him swinging his fist.

And the fastest man alive shtick doesn't work when Ay is the self proclaimed fastest man alive, doesn't know anything about 7G Gai's abilities, and then there's the fact that 7G Gai did nothing but use Hirudora. So it being unveiled is irrelevant as no character would be able to make an accurate comment on his speed.

 

[Haizaki]

Ay attacked Edo Madara with Mei in V1. No he didn't put Madara on his toes whatsoever and Madara could have cut him down if he wanted, not sure why you think that's the case, when Madara can intercept Gais fastest punch yet somehow can't intercept the slower ones. Gai is not as fast as Ay shunshin wise, otherwise Ay wouldn't hold the title of being the fastest alive, well after 7G was revealed.

If Ay was in Gais situation, he'd shunshin to Madara faster than Gai did, but would get knocked down in the middle of his punch because his strike speed is inferior to Gai's.

What makes this crumble is the fact that Gai had to pause and use a hand seal to use Hirudora (Bottom)

You must be registered for see links

. Yet Madara only reacted after it was executed meaning he had quite sometime to act unlike against the normal kick and punches Gai instantly throws.

Let's not use this bad excuse "He could if he wanted to" that's been on for time and time again. We see Madara cut down Minato like nothing...We see Madara try to kill Gai by throwing the TSB at him shortly after that. Zero reasons for anyone to believe Madara could if he wanted to but just didn't or whatever despite there being couple movements before Gai makes his next physical attack. Gaara's surprised face and reaction at Gai's speed should indicate this...He states "His movements aren't human" which was solely in reference to his overall speed. Same thing he said to Lee when he used Hidden Lotus while Lee was just moving alone

You must be registered for see links

. However you people attributed it to his Taijutus alone even though we know the clear indication would have been made if that was the only case. Just like how Karin referenced Ay's movement against Sasuke.

Oh and if you're going to use "He was V1 against Madara"(Even though he got blocked) then factor in the difference between Edo and Juubi Madara in terms of speed is far far above the difference between V1 and V2. Besides Madara is a sensor and was surprised before Gai got there..He was fully surprised before Gai came due to his speed fully backed up by Gaara's reactions. No one cares about an old statement that was made when new feats>>>old feats. Many times have we seen characters show better feats that the old ones.

 

[KidGamer65]

also how much faster is 8th gate gai from onooki v2 ay duo?

8G Gai would blitz them with no mental or physical reaction.

 

[Unorthodox]

I hate when people say hai distorted space with in 8 gates when it was the power plus striking speed from night moth that did it not his actually speed.

Gai has shown a more impressive shunshin in 6 gates that shit on Ay intercepting gudo damas

 

[Curse Mark]

I hate when people say hai distorted space with in 8 gates when it was the power plus striking speed from night moth that did it not his actually speed.

Gai has shown a more impressive shunshin in 6 gates that shit on Ay intercepting gudo damas

When has power ever distorted space?

 

[LuckyMan]

Ay's wording and the entire context of the situation disagrees with you. Not to mention there are even panels are Kishimoto draws him with his V2 appearance and his V1 appearance.

-Says that he needs more speed to break his guard.

Why would he say this if all he could do was just go top speed?

-Ends up joining with Onoki.

Why do this when all he could've done was go top speed?

Why be frustrated at his lack of ability when he had the ability?

V1 Ay can look like V2 Ay from different panels because his hair naturally spikes up on the ends. There is a distinct difference between the two transformation and V1 is clearly shown when he hit Madara. The odds of it being an drawing error are zero. Why would Ay first attack in V2 to punch Madara then lower his speed to V1 to deliver the Lateral Chop then say he needs more speed. That makes zero sense. Him joining up with Onoki is irrelevant because it was Onokis plan and he needed more speed to crush Madara guard, not to hit him because he just hit with him his initial punch.

You mean Hirudora? :lol. That "fastest punch" excuse makes zero sense and I shouldn't even have to explain why. Gai has to stop, form a handsign and then fire off Hirudora after the air pressure has gathered. That's not faster than him swinging his fist.

And the fastest man alive shtick doesn't work when Ay is the self proclaimed fastest man alive, doesn't know anything about 7G Gai's abilities, and then there's the fact that 7G Gai did nothing but use Hirudora. So it being unveiled is irrelevant as no character would be able to make an accurate comment on his speed.

The time it takes Gai to do that is irrelevant because of the speed at which Hirudora goes. When Hirudora is released, it moves faster than any punch Gai can throw period, which is why its his fastest punch, yet Madara effortlessly intercept it so he can intercept any of Gai's attacks.

Ays title isn't self proclaimed, he's universally accepted as the fastest until KCM Naruto. Ay not knowing 7G abilities is irrelevant because other people did when Gai used it before yet Ay still held the title, Kishi gave him the title well after 7G was revealed so anything else is irrelevant and it can't be proven that Gai got faster since the time Yamato and company saw 7G before he fought Kisame so Ay is faster. In NarutoVerse speed is mostly referred to movng from point A to point B not hand speed or fight speed because Gai punches so fast the friction creates fireballs yet he was never once considered the fastest person alive so its a fact Ays shunshin is superior to Gai's, no debate and Gai has no feat like evading point blank Amaterasu so his reaction speed is also superior. Gais strike speed is faster and with 100% of his muscles being used his bodily speed should be more fluid than Ays but that is all.

 

[LuckyMan]

What makes this crumble is the fact that Gai had to pause and use a hand seal to use Hirudora (Bottom)

You must be registered for see links

. Yet Madara only reacted after it was executed meaning he had quite sometime to act unlike against the normal kick and punches Gai instantly throws.

Let's not use this bad excuse "He could if he wanted to" that's been on for time and time again. We see Madara cut down Minato like nothing...We see Madara try to kill Gai by throwing the TSB at him shortly after that. Zero reasons for anyone to believe Madara could if he wanted to but just didn't or whatever despite there being couple movements before Gai makes his next physical attack. Gaara's surprised face and reaction at Gai's speed should indicate this...He states "His movements aren't human" which was solely in reference to his overall speed. Same thing he said to Lee when he used Hidden Lotus while Lee was just moving alone

You must be registered for see links

. However you people attributed it to his Taijutus alone even though we know the clear indication would have been made if that was the only case. Just like how Karin referenced Ay's movement against Sasuke.

Oh and if you're going to use "He was V1 against Madara"(Even though he got blocked) then factor in the difference between Edo and Juubi Madara in terms of speed is far far above the difference between V1 and V2. Besides Madara is a sensor and was surprised before Gai got there..He was fully surprised before Gai came due to his speed fully backed up by Gaara's reactions. No one cares about an old statement that was made when new feats>>>old feats. Many times have we seen characters show better feats that the old ones.

Just replied to kidmager on my phone, will have to wait till get home to reply to you cuz I don't have the Patience to do it again, especially with this autocorrect messig me up constantly.

 

[KidGamer65]

V1 Ay can look like V2 Ay from different panels because his hair naturally spikes up on the ends. There is a distinct difference between the two transformation and V1 is clearly shown when he hit Madara. The odds of it being an drawing error are zero. Why would Ay first attack in V2 to punch Madara then lower his speed to V1 to deliver the Lateral Chop then say he needs more speed. That makes zero sense. Him joining up with Onoki is irrelevant because it was Onokis plan and he needed more speed to crush Madara guard, not to hit him because he just hit with him his initial punch.

His hair spikes downwards, not upwards. So no. Your word on the bold isn't enough for me to fold either considering the wording and context of the entire situation. The underlined only applies if he was really using V1 there and it wasn't a drawing error, like his wording clearly implies.

Yes, he needed more speed to crush Madara's guard, because more speed=more power, and Onoki brought more power to the table since Ay's speed wasn't enough. That is what that whole situation portrays. Ay wasn't enough thus Onoki had to help.

The time it takes Gai to do that is irrelevant because of the speed at which Hirudora goes. When Hirudora is released, it moves faster than any punch Gai can throw period, which is why its his fastest punch, yet Madara effortlessly intercept it so he can intercept any of Gai's attacks.

Thus it'd be the time it takes for Hirudora to hit it's target, on top of the time it'd take Gai to stop and form the hand signs. :lol The latter has to be performed before the former thus the whole process takes more time than Gai throwing a punch, thus Madara has more time to intercept it.

Ays title isn't self proclaimed, he's universally accepted as the fastest until KCM Naruto.

He's the only one who has ever said he was the fastest man alive. Everyone else simply called him extremely fast, or just fast.

Ay not knowing 7G abilities is irrelevant because other people did when Gai used it before yet Ay still held the title

Which would matter if they had claimed that Ay was the fastest man alive. Which would also matter if you could actually prove that they know the full extent of 7G Gai's physical prowess and not just his signature move.

, Kishi gave him the title well after 7G was revealed so anything else is irrelevant and it can't be proven that Gai got faster since the time Yamato and company saw 7G before he fought Kisame so Ay is faster.

No, Kishi had Ay claim that he was the fastest man alive. Nothing more, nothing less.

In NarutoVerse speed is mostly referred to movng from point A to point B not hand speed or fight speed because Gai punches so fast the friction creates fireballs yet he was never once considered the fastest person alive so its a fact Ays shunshin is superior to Gai's, no debate and Gai has no feat like evading point blank Amaterasu so his reaction speed is also superior. Gais strike speed is faster and with 100% of his muscles being used his bodily speed should be more fluid than Ays but that is all.

Not even sure why you bothered mentioning the first part since it's not relevant here. Underlined is a joke. :lol. If he strikes fast enough to prevent JJ Madara from cutting him down, then it means he can react to things as fast as JJ Madara's striking speed due to his striking speed being superior. Unless you think Ay will react to what cut SM Minato down, it's clear who's reaction speed is better.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Ay proclaimed himself to be the fastest alive before both KCM Naruto and 7G Gai's speed was introduced. Thereafter, the former outsped him, and the latter displayed the better speed feat against a superior version of Madara. Furthermore, Bee (Ay's partner) and another Cloud Nin was shown to be completely surprised and clueless from the blast of Hirudora, which only implies they don't know what 7G Gai is capable of. Not even Kisame, with all his intel being in the Akatsuki and partnered with an extremely knowledgeable former Nin from the Leaf knew anything about Gai's capabilities. Ay's statement holds little to no weight here.

 

[shelke]

Ae never went into V2 mode against Madara. Ae is faster than 7th gated Gai. Everyone could follow Gai's movements, even those without Sharingan. Whereas, for V2, Sasuke had to take out MS. I am shocked that people believe as if every gate gives a dramatic increase in speed when it's not the case.