does Tenseigan = RSM?

[BoBoKittyDuck]

I was reading some stuff on Naruto wiki about Toneri when i encountered

Toneri is quite a powerful shinobi, being able to control the Tenseigan and use its power to dislodge the Moon from orbit. His overall prowess allowed him to fight on par with Naruto, a world-famous hero who further improved his abilities two years after the Fourth Shinobi World War.

Upon activating his Tenseigan Chakra Mode, Toneri can manifest nine Truth-Seeking Balls that float around him in a circular formation

It seems that the two modes are pretty much the same, and Toneri lost because he wasn't as experienced as Naruto in fights?

For example, If Naruto had Tenseigan and Toneri had RSM, would the result have been the same?

What do you guys think? :bouncy:

EDIT: Inb4 someone says i stole this idea from someone on youtube..

 

[The Demon Hawk]

I think RSM is greater in power compared to Tenseigan. Tenseigan can help fight on par, but it isn't exactly equal to RSM.

Naruto would win regardless. Even if Naruto had nothing but two bare fists, he would still win.

 

[3MESSIAH]

It is on par IMO

naruto's greater skill and experience gave him the victory over toneri who literally just received such a power

 

[BoBoKittyDuck]

I think RSM is greater in power compared to Tenseigan. Tenseigan can help fight on par, but it isn't exactly equal to RSM.

Naruto would win regardless. Even if Naruto had nothing but two bare fists, he would still win.

Can Naruto with something like 10 Bijuu dama rasenshuriken dislodge the moon from its orbit though?

 

[3MESSIAH]

Can Naruto with something like 10 Bijuu dama rasenshuriken dislodge the moon from its orbit though?

I can see naruto being powerful enough to do sth like that.. but still...the power should be on par

 

[Gerkak]

No it isn't

Tenseigan<=100% BSM naruto<<<<<<RSM

 

[Alfred Pennyworth]

Naruto didn't even use RSM against Toneri...

Apparently, Tenseigan> RSM (w/o bijuu chakra)
as it grants more advantage aside from enormous chakra, such as telekinesis, gudodamas, chakra cloak and etc,
while RSM is really just a sennin mode which amplifies the users' abilities. However, since the latter is rikudo powered, I'm not really sure.

As for the question of RSM toneri vs Tenseigan Naruto, that would depend on toneri's base abilities but I think Naruto takes it.

 

[BoBoKittyDuck]

Naruto didn't even use RSM against Toneri...

Apparently, Tenseigan> RSM (w/o bijuu chakra)
as it grants more advantage aside from enormous chakra, such as telekinesis, gudodamas, chakra cloak and etc,
while RSM is really just a sennin mode which amplifies the users' abilities. However, since the latter is rikudo powered, I'm not really sure.

As for the question of RSM toneri vs Tenseigan Naruto, that would depend on toneri's base abilities but I think Naruto takes it.

I thought he did use RSM, but the movie was made before RSM was revealed? i could be wrong though.
But also it really feels weird on why wouldn't he use it considering he saw what Toneri's intentions were and what he could do, but that's a different topic so whatever ;P..

 

[Prometheus 2000]

No it isn't

Tenseigan<=100% BSM naruto<<<<<<RSM

I completely agree

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Can Naruto with something like 10 Bijuu dama rasenshuriken dislodge the moon from its orbit though?

20% maybe, 80% maybe not. It doesn't seem to be plausible especially because if he creates 10 BDFRS, then their scale won't be great enough to dislodge the moon from its orbit. The max he can create is 1 ultra charged TBBFRS alongside 1 ultra charged OFRS, which is his most powerful jutsu and is equal to Indra's Arrow. If Naruto could dislodge the moon by heavy nukes, then Sasuke could probably do the same.

 

[3MESSIAH]

No it isn't

Tenseigan<=100% BSM naruto<<<<<<RSM

It's funny how people seem to claim that yet one single feat of slicing the moon in half eclipses anything naruto has ever done

Naruto beat toneri because he was more battle hardened,more experienced

The sheer power should be on par even though naruto is above toneri

 

[Seventh Sama]

It's equal to kcm with rikudou chakra,yeah.

 

[Gerkak]

I thought he did use RSM, but the movie was made before RSM was revealed? i could be wrong though.

Nope he used BSM. And with that alone he was able to break toneri's TSB, overpower his golden wheel reincarnation and knock him out of his TCM.

BSM is inferior to RSM w/o bijuu let alone RSM with 100% kurama and RSM with all bijuu chakra.

The Tenseigan is no match for RSM

It's funny how people seem to claim that yet one single feat of slicing the moon in half eclipses anything naruto has ever done

Naruto beat toneri because he was more battle hardened,more experienced

The sheer power should be on par even though naruto is above toneri

It isn't funny at all since the so called amazing feat toneri performed was blocked with a single hand from naruto. It is naruto who eclipsed toneri not the other way around. The moon slice was toneri's strongest move but it was completely defeated.

Off topic but it reminds of a single celestial blocking the beam from the destroyer armour

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Naruto was even holding back(no usage of bijuu dama, or RSM) he didn't win just because he was more skilled, he won because of that and being far superior to toneri in power U_U

 

[Alfred Pennyworth]

I thought he did use RSM, but the movie was made before RSM was revealed? i could be wrong though.
But also it really feels weird on why wouldn't he use it considering he saw what Toneri's intentions were and what he could do, but that's a different topic so whatever ;P..

I made that statement on the grounds that Naruto had his toad sage mode eye shadows while fighting toneri, which shouldn't appear with RSM, but then I will have to explain why he could seemingly fly on the moon surface.

 

[BoBoKittyDuck]

Nope he used BSM. And with that alone he was able to break toneri's TSB, overpower his golden wheel reincarnation and knock him out of his TCM.

BSM is inferior to RSM w/o bijuu let alone RSM with 100% kurama and RSM with all bijuu chakra.

The Tenseigan is no match for RSM

If this is really true, then his Ōtsutsuki cousins would be very disappointed with him..

 

[Gerkak]

If this is really true, then his Ōtsutsuki cousins would be very disappointed with him..

Lol, they should be

 

[3MESSIAH]

Nope he used BSM. And with that alone he was able to break toneri's TSB, overpower his golden wheel reincarnation and knock him out of his TCM.

BSM is inferior to RSM w/o bijuu let alone RSM with 100% kurama and RSM with all bijuu chakra.

The Tenseigan is no match for RSM



It isn't funny at all since the so called amazing feat toneri performed was blocked with a single hand from naruto. It is naruto who eclipsed toneri not the other way around. The moon slice was toneri's strongest move but it was completely defeated.

Off topic but it reminds of a single celestial blocking the beam from the destroyer armour

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Naruto was even holding back(no usage of bijuu dama, or RSM) he didn't win just because he was more skilled, he won because of that and being far superior to toneri in power U_U

My battery is going to die so i cannot go into a detailed debate right now

But just to shed light on a couple of things you maylook at from a wrong perspective

1.for all we know the mode naruto was using may as well have been RSM..maybe even a more advanced hybrid mode...the whole golden rasengans and kurama going out of naruto..not your basic bsm is it?and the sheer power naruto had is a good indicator that this was beyond bsm

2.again,naruto has never shown destruction of this magnitude,feats stand against you


Cant even finish what i wanted to say as my battery wull be dead soon and my internet consumption is also finished for the month....anything you reply i wilk be able to reply back to it in a week or so

 

[BoBoKittyDuck]

My battery is going to die so i cannot go into a detailed debate right now

But just to shed light on a couple of things you maylook at from a wrong perspective

1.for all we know the mode naruto was using may as well have been RSM..maybe even a more advanced hybrid mode...the whole golden rasengans and kurama going out of naruto..not your basic bsm is it?and the sheer power naruto had is a good indicator that this was beyond bsm

2.again,naruto has never shown destruction of this magnitude,feats stand against you


Cant even finish what i wanted to say as my battery wull be dead soon and my internet consumption is also finished for the month....anything you reply i wilk be able to reply back to it in a week or so

You could be right, and as i recall, Naruto was only able to touch the TSB only after he gained RSM when he tried punching Madara and his Arm turned Orange which we've also seen when he K.O'd Toneri at the end if i remember correctly and when he extracted that sphere that toneri put inside of Hinata.

 

[Joon]

No, wiki was just evaluating Toneri's battle skills. Its not the mode that makes the man, but the man that makes the mode.

 

[Gerkak]

My battery is going to die so i cannot go into a detailed debate right now

But just to shed light on a couple of things you maylook at from a wrong perspective

1.for all we know the mode naruto was using may as well have been RSM..maybe even a more advanced hybrid mode...the whole golden rasengans and kurama going out of naruto..not your basic bsm is it?and the sheer power naruto had is a good indicator that this was beyond bsm

2.again,naruto has never shown destruction of this magnitude,feats stand against you


Cant even finish what i wanted to say as my battery wull be dead soon and my internet consumption is also finished for the month....anything you reply i wilk be able to reply back to it in a week or so

1. That's speculation, from what we know that mode is BSM. Of course naruto has rikudo chakra meaning all his stats, like sasuke increased. This goes for his lower forms and his base mode. This is one of the reasons why his BSM became so powerful in the movie. Taking kyuubi out of him is a technique that is used with mastery of jinchuriki powers as shown with juubito.

2. Nothing stands against me, naruto blocked toneri's strongest move with one hand if someone did that to you would you think your power and theirs are equal?

I'll be waiting.