Naruto "without kurama" -_-

[Sea Of Thy Soul]

im going to be honest here, kiba is the only character that naruto has beaten with his own power. rest are kuramas wins.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

The problem is it is not possible for a human to be born with a Bijuu, that why human and a Bijuu can't be considered the same power source.

In Naruto anyone can be a Jinchuuriki, it all depends if the Human and the Bijuu gets along or not.

As for Kekkei Genkai that is something they are either born with or they not, just like how some people are taller or shorter, talented or less talented, higher IQ or less IQ etc.

Kekkei genkai is normal, while being a Jinchuuriki is not normal.

@bold. Did you want Kurama to bang Naruto while he was inside Kushina or something?

Naruto and his ancestors are naturally jinchuuriki due to their bodies. Not everyone can be a jinchuuriki, hence why there are so many failures and deaths.

Naruto was destined to be Kurama's jin as nonody else could. If he wasn't sealed in him after birth. He'd be passed on from host to host, each dying after a few months or years and then eventually given to Naruto. Or Kurama would've been killed repeatedly until sealed in Naruto. Naruto tamed the giant chakra battery. Therefore it is his power. Just like Sasuke went under emotional trauma and mastered his sharingan. Not every Uchiha gets it either.

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

This still applies for Sasuke and his sharingan too but that's none of my business Itachi and Deidera utterly molest him. Kage rekt him before but without MS...ohh boy...

He's granted Sharigan by genes though, the same can't be said for Naruto.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

He's granted Sharigan by genes though, the same can't be said for Naruto.

I answered this on that other thread. Perfect jin body is granted through genes. Body and eyes are a result of genetics. Senju/Uzumaki hand down beasts & Uchiha hand down eyes.

 

[Stxluciferr]

He would have been bottom tier until he got SM. And hago buff Then he would have jumped way up there

Honestly though most of Naruto fights blew. In most cases he showed up after most of the leg work had been done and then kurama bails him out

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

I answered this on that other thread. Perfect jin body is granted through genes. Body and eyes are a result of genetics. Senju/Uzumaki hand down beasts & Uchiha hand down eyes.

Yes a strong body is granted through genes, but not a entire self functioning being :|. Please stop Pokayo, I viewed you as intelligent but you're changing my view. You know the differences between the two power sources.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Yes a strong body is granted through genes, but not a entire self functioning being :|. Please stop Pokayo, I viewed you as intelligent but you're changing my view. You know the differences between the two power sources.

You need a strong body to be a jin. You need a special kind of brain for MS and susano. Yin and yang. Are you trying to tell me Naruto had KCM from the beginning while Sasuke had to do hard work and master his eyes (inheritance) alone? Stop trying to make it personnal and step up your game. Bring the facts.

 

[super michael]

You need a strong body to be a jin. You need a special kind of brain for MS and susano. Yin and yang. Are you trying to tell me Naruto had KCM from the beginning while Sasuke had to do hard work and master his eyes (inheritance) alone? Stop trying to make it personnal and step up your game. Bring the facts.

A Uchiha doesn't need to implant anything to gain Sharingan, while Naruto needs to implant a Bijuu into his body to be strong.

I know EMS requires implanting someone else eyes, that EMS can be considered the same like someone gaining power by being a Jinchuuriki.

Killerbee isn't a sage body yet he is a perfect jinchuuriki.

I say anyone can be a jinchuuriki, the only time special chakra was mentioned was to suppress the kurama chakra nothing more and nothing less.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

A Uchiha doesn't need to implant anything to gain Sharingan, while Naruto needs to implant a Bijuu into his body to be strong.

I know EMS requires implanting someone else eyes, that EMS can be considered the same like someone gaining power by being a Jinchuuriki.

Killerbee isn't a sage body yet he is a perfect jinchuuriki.

I say anyone can be a jinchuuriki, the only time special chakra was mentioned was to suppress the kurama chakra nothing more and nothing less.

Getting kinda tired of this debate today. Naruto doesn't need to implant DNA to have a perf jin body. Bijuu are handed down like eyes. Bee hardly has a weak body. He tamed the beast before anything bad happened so yeahh..Kurama is the embodiment of hatred. Not quite like Hachibi who is weaker etc. Kurama > other beasts combined.

 

[Monxstaa]

lol at you bringing up 2012 arguments..

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[super michael]

Getting kinda tired of this debate today. Naruto doesn't need to implant DNA to have a perf jin body. Bijuu are handed down like eyes. Bee hardly has a weak body. He tamed the beast before anything bad happened so yeahh..Kurama is the embodiment of hatred. Not quite like Hachibi who is weaker etc. Kurama > other beasts combined.

I haven't been debating lately, I been sick seems my allergies been affecting me a lot so I am not up to date what has been on debate.

I never said Naruto needs to implant anyone DNA, I said Naruto needs to be a Jinchuuriki to be strong. Your right KillerBee isn't weak he is strong, but he doesn't have sage body.

Bijuu aren't toy/weapons/animals to be handed down. The Bijuu belonged to Hagoromo, then Madara had Kurama, then the Uzumaki, then Obito, then Naruto. No one is born with a Bijuu so they can't be considered hand down to a specific clan.

I agree that Kurama was full of hatred and is the strongest of the Bijuu 2nd to the Juubi, but what does that have to do with anything?

As for Sharingan, they are not hand outs, they are either born with them or not, just like how Hyugas are all born with Byakugan.

If you consider sharingan hand outs, then you have to consider being tall, high IQ etc hand out also.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

I haven't been debating lately, I been sick seems my allergies been affecting me a lot so I am not up to date what has been on debate.

I never said Naruto needs to implant anyone DNA, I said Naruto needs to be a Jinchuuriki to be strong. Your right KillerBee isn't weak he is strong, but he doesn't have sage body.

Bijuu aren't toy/weapons/animals to be handed down. The Bijuu belonged to Hagoromo, then Madara had Kurama, then the Uzumaki, then Obito, then Naruto. No one is born with a Bijuu so they can't be considered hand down to a specific clan.

I agree that Kurama was full of hatred and is the strongest of the Bijuu 2nd to the Juubi, but what does that have to do with anything?

As for Sharingan, they are not hand outs, they are either born with them or not, just like how Hyugas are all born with Byakugan.

If you consider sharingan hand outs, then you have to consider being tall, high IQ etc hand out also.

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[Dark Sonic]

Naruto stomped Mizuki before being a genin.

 

[Guitar Hero]

Uh huh.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Even Sasuke never won every fight alone.

 

[Nick01]

Naruto would get rekt every fight if it wasn't for the Kyuubi. He's Ashuras reincarnate so he needs help to defeat his opponents, mangafact.

And Sasuke would be fodder without his Sharingan. Without the Kyuubi, his chakra wouldn't get disturbed and he wouldn't have to try as hard to become stronger.

 

[super michael]

And Sasuke would be fodder without his Sharingan. Without the Kyuubi, his chakra wouldn't get disturbed and he wouldn't have to try as hard to become stronger.

Naruto is from a powerful clan which is the Uzumaki clan, strong body and vitality.
Sasuke is from the Uchiha clan known for Sharingan.

Naruto has Uzumaki bloodline natural and Kurama which is unnatural, that makes two powers
Sasuke has Sharingan which is his only natural power


If you want to remove Sasuke Sharingan which is a KKG you have to remove Naruto Uzumaki bloodline and Kurama, so they both don't have a powerful bloodline.


There is nothing abnormal in gaining sharingan, unless its transplant.

 

[Nick01]

Naruto is from a powerful clan which is the Uzumaki clan, strong body and vitality.
Sasuke is from the Uchiha clan known for Sharingan.

Naruto has Uzumaki bloodline natural and Kurama which is unnatural, that makes two powers
Sasuke has Sharingan which is his only natural power


If you want to remove Sasuke Sharingan which is a KKG you have to remove Naruto Uzumaki bloodline and Kurama, so they both don't have a powerful bloodline.


There is nothing abnormal in gaining sharingan, unless its transplant.

Like Itachi's eyes?

 

[ChicagoJhawk]

Sasuke fans in denial tho after vote2

 

[Cooh]

And Sasuke would be fodder without his Sharingan. Without the Kyuubi, his chakra wouldn't get disturbed and he wouldn't have to try as hard to become stronger.

Sasuke has the Sharingan in his DNA, it's his own weapon. Naruto on the other hand has a chakra slave, who helps him in every fight by molding chakra and giving him tips on what to do.

I don't even know why I start this discussion again with a second knobhead who can't deal with that fact.