Sasuke without his sharingan and Naruto without the kurama

[Endles Waltz]

People are arguing that Naruto never had Kurama's chakra, which what I was arguing though that was my typo, obviously he wasn't born with Kurama himself. But he always had his chakra, since birth.

Though to be fair Naruto and Kurama were one ever since he was born too, it was just a few hours :lol

@Bold: Bruh... xd

You could say that you think that is the case, you can only state this as a speculation and not a fact.

Boruto and Himawari also have whiskers, yet they don't have Kurama's chakra. Even if it's influenced from 1 parent being a jin, as far as we know it's just a visual trait.

 

[Liquid Snake]

No the usual Naruto fan argument is Naruto without Kyuubi > Sasuke without Sharingan, but as long as u get it it's cool :lol

Sm Naruto > ms sasuke but u get it with sharigan sasuke got stomped by Lee he needed Cm to get stronger Naruto did a lot yes with kuramas chakra but also failed a lot because of kurama he couldn't probably mold chakra because of kurama so it hindered him sasuke was born with the advantage born to get sharigan born with talent because of Indra and born with two elements and still had itachi for sum training. Naruto wasn't even trained probably to use his wind element and had no one from his clan to even show him techs born to have to work hard because of ashura and even harder because of kurama it really makes no sense how sasuke let Naruto catch up and then pass him

 

[lndra]

@Bold: Bruh... xd

You could say that you think that is the case, you can only state this as a speculation and not a fact.

Boruto and Himawari also have whiskers, yet they don't have Kurama's chakra. Even if it's influenced from 1 parent being a jin, as far as we know it's just a visual trait.

Think? It's a fact.

Boruto and Himawari gained it through the mutation that affected Naruto in his birth, but they weren't born with three. It became genetically infused, obviously. However, Kushina's seal was weakened which leaked Kurama's chakra, this was in the Manga. Which is why Naruto was born with whiskers, like the two brothers who ate Kurama's flesh.

Now by all means if you can explain why a Non-Jinchuriki male boy whose mother was a Jinchuriki, was born with these whiskers without being touched (figuratively speaking) by Kurama and his chakra, then by all means explain it.

Sometimes people aren't using common sense, and the same arguments of Naruto not being born with Kurama's chakra since birth despite having traits of those who were touched by it's chakra are there and yet people still deny it :lol

 

[ANiMUS]

Only when he wasnt sealed inside Naruto.

So what u really meant was Naruto> sharingan :| in that case......duh -__-

The guy is a rsm user. He should at least be able to beat a sharingan user

Sm Naruto > ms sasuke but u get it with sharigan sasuke got stomped by Lee he needed Cm to get stronger Naruto did a lot yes with kuramas chakra but also failed a lot because of kurama he couldn't probably mold chakra because of kurama so it hindered him sasuke was born with the advantage born to get sharigan born with talent because of Indra and born with two elements and still had itachi for sum training. Naruto wasn't even trained probably to use his wind element and had no one from his clan to even show him techs born to have to work hard because of ashura and even harder because of kurama it really makes no sense how sasuke let Naruto catch up and then pass him

I see :|

 

[Liquid Snake]

An MS sasuke that just went through a death battle with Danzo and was nearly blind? ok m8

Still almost got killed by deidra sm Naruto stomps deidra and danzo

 

[Endles Waltz]

Can someone give me scan that Sasuke was born with Sharingan ? OT: Kurama >cheap eyes.

Sharingan actually negs Kurama.

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And Sasuke's Godly eyes solo not only Kurama but all his puny brothers as well, with a single glance.

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[Commander Axe]

Still almost got killed by deidra sm Naruto stomps deidra and danzo

That wasn't MS Sasuke :|

and you can't say SM Naruto "stomps" Danzo because you simply don't know that. It's not like SM Naruto vs ten ten, their powers dont have such a huge gap.

Sharingan actually negs Kurama.

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And Sasuke's Godly eyes solo not only Kurama but all his puny brothers as well, with a single glance.

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[take it easy]

Sharingan actually negs Kurama.

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And Sasuke's Godly eyes solo not only Kurama but all his puny brothers as well, with a single glance.

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How does it prove that eyes is better power source if Sasuke needed chakra from each Bijuu just to make Naruto serious ?

 

[Endles Waltz]

Think? It's a fact.

Boruto and Himawari gained it through the mutation that affected Naruto in his birth, but they weren't born with three. It became genetically infused, obviously. However, Kushina's seal was weakened which leaked Kurama's chakra, this was in the Manga. Which is why Naruto was born with whiskers, like the two brothers who ate Kurama's flesh.

Now by all means if you can explain why a Non-Jinchuriki male boy whose mother was a Jinchuriki, was born with these whiskers without being touched (figuratively speaking) by Kurama and his chakra, then by all means explain it.

Sometimes people aren't using common sense, and the same arguments of Naruto not being born with Kurama's chakra since birth despite having traits of those who were touched by it's chakra are there and yet people still deny it :lol

No one denies that Naruto was born with whiskers due to Kurama's influence being in Kushina, but there is no evidence that it's anything more that just a visual trait, you can not say for a fact that he has Kurama's chakra without Kurama in his belly. :|

@Bold: This is purely speculation as well, like I said we were not given details as to why Boruto and Himawari got the whiskers, just like we were not given evidence that Naruto has and could use Kurama's chakra without Kurama himself.

That wasn't MS Sasuke :|

and you can't say SM Naruto "stomps" Danzo because you simply don't know that. It's not like SM Naruto vs ten ten, their powers dont have such a huge gap.



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[Liquid Snake]

That wasn't MS Sasuke :|

and you can't say SM Naruto "stomps" Danzo because you simply don't know that. It's not like SM Naruto vs ten ten, their powers dont have such a huge gap.



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Sm Naruto is closer to pains power than danzos ms sasuke gets neg by pain and third raikage

 

[Shino1584]

In the end, this is an argument of non-sharingan Sasuke vs. non-Kurama Naruto. I think Sage mode makes this an easy call then for Naruto. The real question comes in the context of the question. Are we saying that they never had these powers or that you suddenly take them away?
If they never had the powers, Naruto's character would be quite different. I think he still gets all the core jutsu he has currently (even Rasenshuriken though it would take him longer) and maybe even FTG as Minato would be alive to train him. Without Sharingan, Sasuke would receive better training as well as his clan would remain and he might even have learned some level of Sage mode (since his body accepted CM).
I know the common argument against Naruto is his reliance on Kurama chakra and there is really no denying that he does but Sasuke likewise has relied on his power-ups throughout the series as well. For all the times Kurama has saved Naruto, Sasuke has been likewise saved by either power-up or others. He first relied on CM, then heavily abused MS and Taka, next Tobi saved him from the Kages, then he heavily used Itachi's eyes. Naruto has been saved by others plenty as well so I'm not trying to say it's exclusive to Sasuke, its just not as black and white of a difference between the two as many on this thread try to make it seem.

 

[Commander Axe]

Sm Naruto is closer to pains power than danzos ms sasuke gets neg by pain and third raikage

Again, assumptions. MS Sasuke kept up with the fourth raikage which shows he can go blow to blow with a raikage's speed and armor, only reason sasuke would probably lose against the third is because he wouldnt have been able to contact bee and find the raikage's weak spot. Last I checked, SM Naruto would've gotten negged by pain waaaay earlier if it wasn't for Deva path's recharge time. He dealt with all the other fodder pains before deva was ready, and once Deva was ready, Naruto got negged in seconds needing Kurama's rescue

 

[Wparker6804]

In the end, this is an argument of non-sharingan Sasuke vs. non-Kurama Naruto. I think Sage mode makes this an easy call then for Naruto. The real question comes in the context of the question. Are we saying that they never had these powers or that you suddenly take them away?
If they never had the powers, Naruto's character would be quite different. I think he still gets all the core jutsu he has currently (even Rasenshuriken though it would take him longer) and maybe even FTG as Minato would be alive to train him. Without Sharingan, Sasuke would receive better training as well as his clan would remain and he might even have learned some level of Sage mode (since his body accepted CM).
I know the common argument against Naruto is his reliance on Kurama chakra and there is really no denying that he does but Sasuke likewise has relied on his power-ups throughout the series as well. For all the times Kurama has saved Naruto, Sasuke has been likewise saved by either power-up or others. He first relied on CM, then heavily abused MS and Taka, next Tobi saved him from the Kages, then he heavily used Itachi's eyes. Naruto has been saved by others plenty as well so I'm not trying to say it's exclusive to Sasuke, its just not as black and white of a difference between the two as many on this thread try to make it seem.

I would see no freebees as no EMS Sasuke vs no Kurama Naruto. Naruto would have everything else & Sasuke would be blind.

 

[ANiMUS]

Sm Naruto is closer to pains power than danzos ms sasuke gets neg by pain and third raikage

SM Naruto with Prep is close to Pain. :| and Sasuke doesn't take Pain because it's a bad match up

Amaterasu and Genjutsu work on Third Raikage since he isn't as fast as Ay

 

[SatanicGod]

They both die before shippuden lel

Even if they live into adolescence. Sasuke is stuck with katon, summons and chidori variants. Oro would've ignored him and not given him a curse mark. Suppose Itachi could give him his eyes but he'd go blind.

While Naruto has kage bunshin training (hundreds more jutsu) rasengan variants, including FRS. summons. SM. Frog song, frog kata. Synchronized frog jutsu.

Both are Kage lvl but Naruto outclasses him by miles.

Naruto and his ancestors are naturally jinchuuriki due to their bodies. Just like Sasuke's ancestors naturally get sharingan. Not everyone can be a jinchuuriki & not everyone can get sharingan. hence why there are so many failures and deaths.

Naruto was destined to be Kurama's jin as nobody else could. If he wasn't sealed in him after birth. He'd be passed on from host to host, each dying after a few months or years and then eventually given to Naruto. Or Kurama would've been killed repeatedly until sealed in Naruto. Naruto tamed the giant chakra battery. Therefore it is his power. Just like Sasuke went under emotional trauma and mastered his sharingan. It was all down to chance for both. Facts.

But if Naruto never had Kurama, Pein would never go after him, this meaning that he would never bother to learn SM, Jiraiya wouldn't have tutored him in order for him to defend himself against Akatsuki, meaning Rasengan is out of the question, BUT he would have better chakra control since Kyubi won't be effing up his chakra control.

 

[SatanicGod]

Well at the same time Sasuke burned his out like a fool within weeks and had to take Itachi's (they weren't Sasuke's birthright any more than Kurama was Naruto's & they were handed to him) despite Itachi having his for years. Naruto DID get Kurama for free but he repeatedly proved himself & earned the trust/respect of a being filled with hatred to humanity due to his will, persistence, honesty & reliability--something no one else had ever done after Hagoromo--and EARNED his final stage of Kurama through hard work.

Sasuke deserved his eyes up to the MS & got a freebie after that. Naruto got a freebie at birth but earned its maximum potential through his own work & actions. The way I see it they both balance out and in the end Naruto & Sasuke are both even.

All I read from this was that Kyubi felt pity for Naruto, so he gave him power when he was fighting a force that would have negged

 

[SatanicGod]

Sm Naruto is closer to pains power than danzos ms sasuke gets neg by pain and third raikage

Reread Pein Arc, Naruto couldn't defeat a weakened Main Body Deva Path Pein. But he could defeat the weaker paths though, but I'm pretty sure those Paths would be defeated by Danzo as well.
Naruto defeated Preta by having it absorb too much Sage chakra
Pein has no knowledge of Izanagi, so there's that surprise factor, plus Mokuton which would destroy Preta, KA alone which he could use to bring Deva (maybe even Nagato himself) over to his side, but I'll restrict that seeing as it wasn't used against Sasuke.
Anyways, SM Naruto alone gets destroyed by Pein.

 

[super michael]

I like to point what is normal and what is not normal:

Uzumaki = strong body
Uchiha = Sharingan
Hyuga = Byakugan
Ootsutsuki = Rinnengan?
Kaguya clan = Bone jutsu
Jugo clan? = Natural energy

Those are all that are normal for their clans.

Things that are not normal:

Being a Jinchuuriki not matter what clan
Curse Seal not matter what clan

Not matter how strong a body is, being a Jinchuuriki isn't a normal thing, its impossible to be born during birth or before. As for Sharingan that is something that is born thanks to their genetic.

If anyone wants to consider Sharingan hand out, then they have to consider high IQ like shikamaru, being tall, KKG hand outs.

 

[Wparker6804]

I like to point what is normal and what is not normal:

Uzumaki = strong body
Uchiha = Sharingan
Hyuga = Byakugan
Ootsutsuki = Rinnengan?
Kaguya clan = Bone jutsu
Jugo clan? = Natural energy

Those are all that are normal for their clans.

Things that are not normal:

Being a Jinchuuriki not matter what clan
Curse Seal not matter what clan

Not matter how strong a body is, being a Jinchuuriki isn't a normal thing, its impossible to be born during birth or before. As for Sharingan that is something that is born thanks to their genetic.

If anyone wants to consider Sharingan hand out, then they have to consider high IQ like shikamaru, being tall, KKG hand outs.

Well my counter for Sharingan as a handout is the EMS. THAT was a Sasuke Freebie.

 

[super michael]

Well my counter for Sharingan as a handout is the EMS. THAT was a Sasuke Freebie.

I been doing thinking about that, while its true EMS is part of the Uchiha Genetic, it still using someone else body part. So I agree with you that EMS are hand out and a freebie. The whole MS and EMS seems like a crazy concept to be honest. MS gets blind and there no cure and EMS requires to get someone else eyes.

I prefer Sasuke never got MS and EMS, because then that mean that Sasuke is using only his natural body and nothing else. I have no problem Sasuke having Sharingan since that is his natural powers.