Edo Hiruzen vs Obito

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Distance: Reasonable

Intel: Manga.

Conditions: Hiurzen can use DB4 via All Konoha Element and Hiden as feats.

Restrictions: Summoning Gedo Statue
 

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Obito wins juubi size katon >>>>> all his elements to slow to counter kamui genjutsu also shits.
 

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Depends on what Obito this is.

Rinnegan Obito wins.
1 MS Obito loses.
 

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Obito wins juubi size katon >>>>> all his elements to slow to counter kamui genjutsu also shits.

Juubi Katon isnt putting out Hiruzen. Not when he can make more then 3 layers of Buijuu size Suiton walls. Plus the fact attacking underground helps.

Not sure how you got that he is too slow. Not that it matters when physical contact needs to be made for Kamui, which Shadow Possession craps on[ ] and Shadow Clone Feint.

Nope Genjutsu is counter with Partnet Method via Enma or Hiruzen experience of not falling for direct eye contact like any other GoKage.

Depends on what Obito this is.

Rinnegan Obito wins.
1 MS Obito loses.

1 MS can't summon Mazo so obv Rinne.

1 MS has access to Izanagi while Rinne just has chakra rods.

Rinne is closer of an opponent he can face.
 
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Any version of Obito with kamui stomps.
 

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How is it a Stomp?

Shadow Clone/Feint and Shadow Possession is too dangerous for Kamui

-Shadow Posession is useless before kamui going by canon.
-Obito just kills each one of Hiruzen's clones.
 

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-Shadow Posession is useless before kamui going by canon.
-Obito just kills each one of Hiruzen's clones.

How will he know which clonw to hit?
 

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Lol I'm not sure what you mean by use DBIV but if you're giving him all jutsu that he can attain (excluding KKG of course) then he obviously wins this because he has more then enough ways to deal with Obito.
 

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-Shadow Posession is useless before kamui going by canon.
-Obito just kills each one of Hiruzen's clones.

-Nope it was useless with Gedo in the field. Its restricted here.

-Good, so he gets distracted killing them off, while Original back stabs.
 

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Hiruzen low diff. FTGs the shit outta him.
 

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Lmao Obito shit stomps. Genjutsu GG
 

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Lmao Obito shit stomps. Genjutsu GG

Cut the crap. Nearly all Kage are skillful enough to avoid Sharingan genjutsu, especially to the guy who has closer knowledge of them. Not to mention, worst case scnerio, Enma easily act as a Partner to break him out of genjutsu
 

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Cut the crap. Nearly all Kage are skillful enough to avoid Sharingan genjutsu, especially to the guy who has closer knowledge of them. Not to mention, worst case scnerio, Enma easily act as a Partner to break him out of genjutsu
Enma is caught in genjutsu too. Or Obito shits on it with katon or speed blitzes it
Danzo was caught
Killer Bee was caught
Kabuto had to shut his eyes
Hiruzen is eventually caught
He also has no counter to Kamui
 

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Enma is caught in genjutsu too.

Again that's as relevant as Hiruzen getting caught. Partnership counter Sharingan genjutsu period.

Obito shits on it with katon or speed blitzes it

Katon aint doing shit. He either counter-balances with multiple layer Buiju size Suitons or simply engages him with Mole technique (why not both since Shadow Clones).

@Bold, aint speed blitzing shit. Dont bring up someones physical stats without suggesting its far superior than anyone he/it encountered.

Danzo was caught
Kabuto had to shut his eyes
Hiruzen is eventually caught

Danzo thought Sasuke's genjutsu was useless, so irrelevant.
Kabuto want to play safe (escailly getting tag team by 2 Sharingan users), irrelevant.

Make more list all you want its completely irrelevant and completely countered.

He also has no counter to Kamui

This is one of the reason I dont bother replying to some people. They like to repeat refuted claims that has already been contributed in this thread. How about reading what was already said and then rebuttal. Otherwise you wasting peoples time. And I quote:

Not that it matters when physical contact needs to be made for Kamui, which Shadow Possession craps on[ ] and Shadow Clone Feint.

I dont need to elaborate on Shadow Clones, which was basically canon. But Shadow Possession outright shows it doesnt overlap Kamui[ ]. Therefore once bind, the fight's over.
 

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Mph boy here we go again with EJB denying canon
Again that's as relevant as Hiruzen getting caught. Partnership counter Sharingan genjutsu period.
Once one of them is caught Obito would be on the other's ass, giving them no time to counter genjutsu

Katon aint doing shit. He either counter-balances with multiple layer Buiju size Suitons or simply engages him with Mole technique (why not both since Shadow Clones).
they get easily overpowered. You're right though about Hiruzen's ability to counter katon
@Bold, aint speed blitzing shit. Dont bring up someones physical stats without suggesting its far superior than anyone he/it encountered.
*speed blitzes enma.

Danzo thought Sasuke's genjutsu was useless, so irrelevant.
Danzo's downfall was that same genjutsu. Your point is moot and garbage

Kabuto want to play safe (escailly getting tag team by 2 Sharingan users), irrelevant.
there was a reason why Kabuto had to cover his eyes.
Make more list all you want its completely irrelevant and completely countered.
Addressed it

This is one of the reason I dont bother replying to some people. They like to repeat refuted claims that has already been contributed in this thread. How about reading what was already said and then rebuttal. Otherwise you wasting peoples time. And I quote:
Until you provide legit arguments on how Hiruzen can counter Kamui, I'm going to say Kamui shits on Hiruzen. Inb4 Clones. Not a chance in hell when Naruto's superior clones along with other 3 kage level ninjas couldn't land a hit on Obito without Kakashi using Kamui
 

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Mph boy here we go again with EJB denying canon

^^^^^Coming from this niga[ ]

Once one of them is caught Obito would be on the other's ass, giving them no time to counter genjutsu

Lmao so they have no time when they are together?

they get easily overpowered. You're right though about Hiruzen's ability to counter katon

How do they get overpowered? They are too versatile (when allowed Kohona jutsus and Hiden) to get wacked around.

*speed blitzes enma.

What difference? Mind as well said Hiruzen since isn't separated with Enma. He is using him as a weapon.

Danzo's downfall was that same genjutsu. Your point is moot and garbage
there was a reason why Kabuto had to cover his eyes.

Your reading is garbage: I-r-r-e-l-e-v-a-n-t

Until you provide legit arguments on how Hiruzen can counter Kamui, I'm going to say Kamui shits on Hiruzen. Inb4 Clones. Not a chance in hell when Naruto's superior clones along with other 3 kage level ninjas couldn't land a hit on Obito without Kakashi using Kamui

So you decide not to read, twice? Do I need to remove quotes?:

"Not that it matters when physical contact needs to be made for Kamui, which Shadow Possession craps on[ ] and Shadow Clone Feint. "

"I dont need to elaborate on Shadow Clones (apparently I do), which was basically canon. But Shadow Possession outright shows it doesnt overlap Kamui[ ]. Therefore once bind, the fight's over. "

The different Hiruzen clone and everyone else is that he has jutsus that Kamui can't overlap against. Ino clan And Shikimaru clan. They dont overlap his physical body, so it will work when it connects.
 
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KidGamer65 said:
Nope.

-Clones.
-Attacks that can be used as diversions, attacks that bypass Kamui due to them not making physical contact with Obito's body. Mind Body Control is one of them.
-His offensive attacks are easily blocked/overpowered.

How does he win?

-Clones are useless since Obito will know they are clones, and won't try to warp any of them. He'd just kill them in ghost mode CQC with shurikens or other ninja tools.

-Diversionary tactics are good and all, but what attack does Hiruzen have that Obito can't react to in time to go intangible?

-How is Juubi Sized Katon blocked or overpowered?

Once clones are out of the picture, Obito can just phase through all of Hiruzen's attacks, get up in his face and genjutsu him, then rip his soul out with Human path.
 
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