Hashirama died young (30's?)/ How?

[Saikyokami]

so...
a while ago we were talking about how hashirama died.. and when... and someone said that hashirama could've died to old age, retired, and had given the hokage title to tobirama (since he knew his grandaughter aka tsunade)

According to this panel:

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Tobirama had to have been hokage after hashirama died, as hashirama seemed rather suprised, and angry that tobirama created the uchiha police force..

Now as we know, Hashirama and Tobirama are pretty close in age... (about 5 years max?) and Tobirama was still kinda
not old when he was kage (like younger than hashi but older a bit than minato?)

So yeah....
Also, im 100% sure He didn't die from fighting with post-madara fight injuries cos he knew tsunade.
The shit with Hashi vs Maddy happened like 60-80 years before the start of the story..
If Tsunade was born then she'd have to be like 60-90 years old :/


So yeah..... how did Hashirama die?

 

[Torche]

Didn't it say he died during one of the wars or something? Just because it was a war, doesn't mean he lost a battle per-say. He could have been killed in his sleep for all we know. Maybe something like how 3rd Raikage died? Or how we assume Tobirama died. He could have been killed by Chakra exhaustion even, as unlikely as it seems. I mean, think if he went into battle after battle with little rest in-between, no matter how great he is, he'd eventually fall. Now I'm just rambling. :| Feel free to take my post with a grain of salt.

 

[loj]

By plot.

Which makes no sense apparently he died in war but then again....when u think about it how could a man who defeated Madara twice die....with Wood release and that 1000(?) hands Wood monster...

 

[darthvader5666]

Ninja AIDS.

 

[SenseiSama]

Ran out of lifeforce and stamina after spamming Mokuton

 

[HENI]

Madara used meteorite on him

 

[Apêx1]

Black Zetsu solo'd.

 

[max911]

I'd say he died in his 40s, not thirties.

 

[Itachi 4 life]

Kaguya gave him space AIDS, the very same type she gave Itachi.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Actually this isn't entirely correct, Hiruzen became kage in his after Tobirama died, also hashirama was able to compare tsunade's strength to Sakura meaning Tsunade would've already been of an age where hashi could gauge that, if we use Sarada then around 12, hiruzen died in in his seventies I'm skeptical to say sixties because Orochimaru said if he was twenty years younger he could've killed him, so that's around 40-50, 40 being better since it's middle age but still got some prime. Andhe became kage in his thirties since he would've needed time to train the sannin so he definitely wouldn't have been in his twenties because jiraya was probably in his late fifties taking into account he didn't have much wrinkled skin but was still old enough to be a sage, if we take this all into account the hashi madara battle was roughly 40-50 years ago if we're using naruto's age at 15 mid shippiden, 15 years ago he was born and Kurams was sealed in him, hirizen would've been in his late 50s pr late 60s as he was just showing wrinkles and didn't look majorly aged so late 50s is about right. Of he became kage around his 30s thej that twenties,years ago, the sannin were already trained and tobirama was still young before he died keep in mind he was an adult in the clan warring era meaning if sarutobi trained under hashirama and tobirama as explained then hiruzen had to be alive during the madara vs hashi battle And old enough to be trained by hashi and tobirama taking this into account it's possible that tobirama died 5-10 years after the madara vs hashi fight. Meaning the fight could've taken place 40-50 years ago not as long ago as you think.




Hashirama probably died from his life being shortened, Hashi's sage mode was capable of healing hashi throughout his battles however, hashi was born into the warring era and he's fought a lot, and it was explained that the body can only reproduce cells so many times do this could've been a factor, madara had the mazou to continue his life so he outlived hashirama.

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

The troll-god Kishimoto's pen soloed.

 

[Char Aznable]

so...
a while ago we were talking about how hashirama died.. and when... and someone said that hashirama could've died to old age, retired, and had given the hokage title to tobirama (since he knew his grandaughter aka tsunade)

According to this panel:

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Tobirama had to have been hokage after hashirama died, as hashirama seemed rather suprised, and angry that tobirama created the uchiha police force..

Now as we know, Hashirama and Tobirama are pretty close in age... (about 5 years max?) and Tobirama was still kinda
not old when he was kage (like younger than hashi but older a bit than minato?)

So yeah....
Also, im 100% sure He didn't die from fighting with post-madara fight injuries cos he knew tsunade.
The shit with Hashi vs Maddy happened like 60-80 years before the start of the story..
If Tsunade was born then she'd have to be like 60-90 years old :/


So yeah..... how did Hashirama die?

@Bold Hashirama and Tobirama were pretty close in height, as kids. Probably 2 years apart max.

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Tsunade said everyone she knew died because of war.


When Hashi thought of Tsuna, this was her size. She had to be a toddler around this time.

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Tsunade was 55 by the end of the war. So Hashirama probably died sometime around when she was 3, i'd say. Tobirama probably didn't live long after his brother did.

 

[Kushina san]

Hashirama died at 60 years or so, because he saw Tsunade....

 

[SenseiSama]

Tsunade was 55 by the end of the war. So Hashirama probably died sometime around when she was 3, i'd say. Tobirama probably didn't live long after his brother did.

No, Hashi witnessed Tsunade using CES so he was still alive when she was old enough to master Shanaro which Im guessing is around the time she was Sakura's age

 

[Gold Lightning]

You guys are crazy if you think Hashirama was in his 30s/40s when he died. The man is old, and tobirama is not 5 years apart, he is almost the same age as his brother. At least a 1-2 yr difference at best.

Hashirama and Tobirama are probably ages between their 50s and 60s. They may not look old, but thats just kishi at times. Look at jiraya and orochimaru, they look no different than their younger days. Hashirama is a grandfather and was alive to know his grand daughter. Theres no way he died in his 30s lol.

 

[Char Aznable]

No, Hashi witnessed Tsunade using CES so he was still alive when she was old enough to master Shanaro which Im guessing is around the time she was Sakura's age

Hashirama can also use CES. He's the one who likely taught it to her. Just like Tsunade picked up the Yin Seal from her grandmother, Mito Uzumaki.


It's just hard to believe Hashirama would become hokage, step down, hand it over to Tobirama, and be completely out of the loop of what Tobirama did to the Uchiha.

 

[SenseiSama]

Hashirama can also use CES. He's the one who likely taught it to her. Just like Tsunade picked up the Yin Seal from her grandmother, Mito Uzumaki.


It's just hard to believe Hashirama would become hokage, step down, hand it over to Tobirama, and be completely out of the loop of what Tobirama did to the Uchiha.

He was comparing Sakura's strength to Tsunade's so he definitely saw her use it when she was older because there's no sense comparing a Jonin to a 3yeard old lol.

I don't believe he stepped down either, he must've died from spamming his healing and Mokuton, they require huge amounts of stamina that would generally take a toll on the user's life force.

 

[Char Aznable]

He was comparing Sakura's strength to Tsunade's so he definitely saw her use it when she was older because there's no sense comparing a Jonin to a 3yeard old lol.

I don't believe he stepped down either, he must've died from spamming his healing and Mokuton, they require huge amounts of stamina that would generally take a toll on the user's life force.

The problem with the timeline is the ages of Hiruzen and the Sannin. Hiruzen was a teenager when he became Hokage, and was 69 when he died. We know Hiruzen is 19 years older than the Sannin. That means Hashirama had to alive to see Tsnua use CES, but also dead by the time Hiruzen became Hokage, and Tobirama after him.


You'd have to squeeze to make it all fit. That's assuming it does at all.

 

[Narutobirama]

You guys are crazy if you think Hashirama was in his 30s/40s when he died. The man is old, and tobirama is not 5 years apart, he is almost the same age as his brother. At least a 1-2 yr difference at best.

Hashirama and Tobirama are probably ages between their 50s and 60s. They may not look old, but thats just kishi at times. Look at jiraya and orochimaru, they look no different than their younger days. Hashirama is a grandfather and was alive to know his grand daughter. Theres no way he died in his 30s lol.

I don't think they are that old. Tobirama was 24 when he killed Izuna. Suppose, it took a year for Izuna to die and Madara to awaken Perfect Susanoo, Konoha would be created when he was 25. Madara did not stay in Konoha for more than 5 years and he fought Hashirama sometime in the next 5 years. That makes Tobirama 35 at most. Than a few years until Hashirama died and Tobirama became Hokage. And he was Hokage for no more than 5 years. Also, I am generous by giving 5 years. So, Tobirama should not be older than 45 and Hashirama should not be older than 48.

Assuming, Hashirama had a child when he was 20 and Tsunade was born 20 years after Hashirama's child was born, Hashirama would die when Tsunade was 8. So, both Hashirama and Tobirama were a few years over 40 at most.

And if you look at other characters, you will see that older people do appear older, unless they are using some technique. Jiraiya looks quite older than Hashirama and Tobirama. Tsunade when not using her Jutsu looks quite old, Kakashi and Guy appear older. Kurenai looks older too. Mei looks older, so does Darui and other characters.

 

[FemmeFatale]

No he didn't , Tsunade is his granddaughter, and there is no way she would exsist while he was alive had he been 30