I don't think Naruto & Sasuke should be above their daddy Hagoromo, or even Madara for that matter really.
Based on hype Momoshiki could be tied with Kaguya,
Also Tenseigan Hamura is > DMS Kakashi
& Not sure why the juubi appeared twice on your list but yeah
I don't think Naruto & Sasuke should be above their daddy Hagoromo, or even Madara for that matter really.
Based on hype Momoshiki could be tied with Kaguya,
Also Tenseigan Hamura is > DMS Kakashi
& Not sure why the juubi appeared twice on your list but yeah
Adult Naruto & Sasuke surely surpassed Hagoromo read my other thread not about to get into that. Madara VOTE2 Naruto and Sasuke = Madara even with false feats giving to him let alone there adult forms try again.
Adult Naruto & Sasuke stomps Kaguya fight Sasuke Naruto Kakashi & Obito Momoshiki took on them thus he > Kaguya giving the fact that he has no real feats.
Hamura is on the list Kakashi is not that should be more then enough to show you i agree
Juubi is on the list once read before posted nonsense
Adult Naruto & Sasuke surely surpassed Hagoromo read my other thread not about to get into that. Madara VOTE2 Naruto and Sasuke = Madara even with false feats giving to him let alone there adult forms try again.
Adult Naruto & Sasuke stomps Kaguya fight Sasuke Naruto Kakashi & Obito Momoshiki took on them thus he > Kaguya giving the fact that he has no real feats.
Hamura is on the list Kakashi is not that should be more then enough to show you i agree
Juubi is on the list once read before posted nonsense
1. No Naruto nor Sasuke ever surpassed JJ Hagoromo, who had RSM + DRG, & then became a JJ
2. They only beat Madara together, not individually. Your list says "X/X", not "X&X". So if you were going to put them above JJ Madara, you should have put "Naruto & Sasuke".
3.Disagree that Momoshiki is > than manga or even Prime Kaguya who ate the chakra fruit & had the world under IT.
4. Kaguya = Juubi. You listed the juubi twice bruh
- Kaguya is far stronger than any incarnation of Naruto or Sasuke.
- So is JJ Hagoromo.
- If Hamura has Tenseigan he's above everyone but Kaguya and Hagoromo.
- Kakashi w/ Rikudo's power and Obito's power beats the Juubi in any incarnation.
RSM is a product of The Bijuu the juubi even in the past we can clearly see no cloak over Hagoromo
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so no he has no RSM Rinnegan is fodder infront of PS and Ashura avatar Hagoromo Lacks Ninjutsu so No Rasengan,Bushin,Susanoo,Chidori,Amaterasu,FRS combination with Bijuu dama and that's what makes Naruto and Sasuke so deadly take they away in they could get swatted by JJ Obito, Juubi boost does not equal = 17 years power for Naruto & Sasuke furthermore the only relevant thing it adds is a Juubi dama which needs to be performed by a tree which gets bisected by the latter.
They only beat Madara together, not individually. Your list says "X/X", not "X&X". So if you were going to put them above JJ Madara, you should have put "Naruto & Sasuke"
Prime Kaguya lost to Hagoromo and Hamura the Kaguya Naruto & Sasuke fought as teenagers > the one Hagoromo did so this whole post crumbles right there.
- Kaguya is far stronger than any incarnation of Naruto or Sasuke.
- So is JJ Hagoromo.
- If Hamura has Tenseigan he's above everyone but Kaguya and Hagoromo.
- Kakashi w/ Rikudo's power and Obito's power beats the Juubi in any incarnation.
No she is not the only problem when facing Kaguya was her dimensions since Sasuke can counter that the only problem would be is Expansive Gudo dama which is never happening Naruto blitz her VOTE2 Sasuke nearly blitz him and Adult Sasuke dust him leaving it a blitz if the gudo dama comes out or he simple leaves the dimenions nb4 BDF nope because if your only way to survive is to leave the dimension its not running away. Naruto as a teen blitz her so Adult Naruto does the same add the fact he has full Kurama Kaguya's gets loses or stalemates considering he cannot leave the dimension. JJ Hagoromo is below them the only thing he has that could do any damage is a juubi dama which never gets off they take him down. Hamura is literally shitted on Rinnegan Genjutsu 1 shots him no counter to it nor he escape being toss into a different dimension, you claim BSM Naruto defeated Toneri giving him Hagoromo chakra plus full Kurama and 17 years of growth puts him comfortable above Hamura aswell.
No she is not the only problem when facing Kaguya was her dimensions since Sasuke can counter that the only problem would be is Expansive Gudo dama which is never happening Naruto blitz her VOTE2 Sasuke nearly blitz him and Adult Sasuke dust him leaving it a blitz if the gudo dama comes out or he simple leaves the dimenions nb4 BDF nope because if your only way to survive is to leave the dimension its not running away. Naruto as a teen blitz her so Adult Naruto does the same add the fact he has full Kurama Kaguya's gets loses or stalemates considering he cannot leave the dimension. JJ Hagoromo is below them the only thing he has that could do any damage is a juubi dama which never gets off they take him down. Hamura is literally shitted on Rinnegan Genjutsu 1 shots him no counter to it nor he escape being toss into a different dimension, you claim BSM Naruto defeated Toneri giving him Hagoromo chakra plus full Kurama and 17 years of growth puts him comfortable above Hamura aswell.
-He blitzed a tired out of chakra Kaguya. Irrelevant point.
-Full Kurama does nothing but increase the size of BD he can use. Irrelevant against Kaguya since no size BD will overpower her Gudo Dama.
-Leaving the dimension is running away, not to mention Kaguya would just change dimensions and hit the bastard regardless. If Sasuke keeps switching, then he runs out of chakra, becomes a fodder in comparison and dies a terrible death.
-Her Eighty Gods attack still breaks Susanoo open with enough hits.
-Don't care about your hypothetical feats judgements when referring to a character who has no feats. Naruto and Sasuke w/ half of Hagoromo's power and then some aren't stronger than JJ Hagoromo. You throw around "17 years of growth" even though you don't even have proof that they grew that powerful. Just a baseless assumption.
-Based on what can't Hamura, who has chakra power and size equal to Hagoromo, escape Rinnegan Genjutsu again? Because it caught all 9 Bijuu? :lol Regardless. Being able to trap him in a Genjutsu=/=Being stronger than him. If he's not stronger than JJ Hagoromo, then he's not stronger than Hamura either.
-BSM Naruto had Hagoromo's chakra when he fought Toneri. The only thing that was different is that he didn't use RSM itself. Comparing Toneri to Hamura is foolish when Hamura w/o Tenseigan is most likely on par with Hagoromo (have the same chakra size and strength) who is far stronger than a Naruto w/o RSM who is stronger than Toneri w/o his full power.
RSM is a product of The Bijuu the juubi even in the past we can clearly see no cloak over Hagoromo
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so no he has no RSM Rinnegan is fodder infront of PS and Ashura avatar Hagoromo Lacks Ninjutsu so No Rasengan,Bushin,Susanoo,Chidori,Amaterasu,FRS combination with Bijuu dama and that's what makes Naruto and Sasuke so deadly take they away in they could get swatted by JJ Obito, Juubi boost does not equal = 17 years power for Naruto & Sasuke furthermore the only relevant thing it adds is a Juubi dama which needs to be performed by a tree which gets bisected by the latter.
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, and him not knowing ninjutsu is irrelevant because he has a Rinnegan which allows the user the ability to perform all elements, & RSM which is grants universal understanding of Chakra. Ying & Yang Release COAT allows the guy to do whatever he wants.
JJ Madara is a tie with they're VOTE selfs There Adult forms would ruin him.
Definitely not a tie. They can possibly win, but no being older as seen in Naruto Gaiden isn't granting them much more strength.
Prime Kaguya lost to Hagoromo and Hamura the Kaguya Naruto & Sasuke fought as teenagers > the one Hagoromo did so this whole post crumbles right there.
:lol: the kaguya team 7 fought was undeniably weaker than the one who ate the chakra fruit, had everyone's chakra from IT, & merged with the shinju to get Hagoromo & Hamuras chakra back.
Kaguya = real Juubi not V3 juubi which does not have byakugan or dimension warp that simple so that's why i put V3 juubi on the list
Irrelevant because even after she gained her chakra she had her arm nearly tooken off by a much slower Kakashi, She was no that drained clearly she had no problem dodging Sasuke ps slashes which are faster than a BDFRS explode this is nothing but a sorry excuse and her being low on chakra does not equal Naruto being an adult and gaining the other half of Kurama.
Makes zero since and yes it will Kurama's bijuu dama are scaled to his size and with full Kurama being alot larger then 50% Kurama thus his bijuu dama is larger because a base bijuu dama is scaled to the mouth of the bijuu and if the bijuu mouth is much bigger then the bijuu dama is aswell. Kaguya does not use her expansive tsb instantly nor will she try it unless she runs out of option considering she wants his chakra.
Leaving the dimension is running away, not to mention Kaguya would just change dimensions and hit the bastard regardless. If Sasuke keeps switching, then he runs out of chakra, becomes a fodder in comparison and dies a terrible death.
Leaving the dimension is not running away when an attack is going to destroy the dimension how the hell you think Kaguya is going to survive the attack? Proof Kaguya can warp her expansive tbb to another dimension? none exactly and Sasuke would not leave until the expansive gudo is about to go off. He only needs one dimension switch that is not anything furthermore how could Kaguya even use her expansive tbb without turning into that giant cat? Sasuke ameno blitz chop that ass up.
Don't care about your hypothetical feats judgements when referring to a character who has no feats. Naruto and Sasuke w/ half of Hagoromo's power and then some aren't stronger than JJ Hagoromo. You throw around "17 years of growth" even though you don't even have proof that they grew that powerful. Just a baseless assumption.
I'll just quote in old post from myself from you saying the same bullshit.
How is he not stronger than Hagoromo? He knows all of rinnegan techs Jinless Hagz has no bijuu so no bijuu damas or any chakra cloaks whatsoever sasuke is like him but 2.0 His susanoo would squash him like a bug, the last Sasuke chidori was levels above VOTE2 Sasuke's if we level that into his susanoo thats puts the last Sasuke above VOTE2 Sasuke in thats only a 3 year time difference which makes the last sasuke 20 at the most still young and no where near his prime adult Sasuke is like 37 which is an ideal prime in ninja years considering Minato died at 27 and widely known that he did not reach his prime Madara Hashirama Ay Bee Kakashi Hiruzen etc. all those guys are example that 30-42 is an ideal prime age making this sasuke much stronger than his Last counter part. Furthermore Adult Sasuke talks about something being ever more scarier than Kaguya he did not act scared or even the least bit worried and even turned down Naruto's help when he asked meaning he has some believe he could be a match for whatever it is and Sasuke is no fool to challenge someone thats anywhere near Kaguya power levels alone if he was not tiers above his teenage self.
Based on what can't Hamura, who has chakra power and size equal to Hagoromo, escape Rinnegan Genjutsu again? Because it caught all 9 Bijuu? :lol Regardless. Being able to trap him in a Genjutsu=/=Being stronger than him. If he's not stronger than JJ Hagoromo, then he's not stronger than Hamura either.
Since when has having a large chakra pool ever been a counter to genjutsu? you say catching all 9 bijuu as if that means something he only used it on 9 bijuu IT failed to work on Edos while Ka did not does that mean KA > IT no so that part of this post was irrelevant. Yup it means Sasuke stomps him and he's stronger than Hagoromo so the last part of your post is shitty to.
BSM Naruto had Hagoromo's chakra when he fought Toneri. The only thing that was different is that he didn't use RSM itself. Comparing Toneri to Hamura is foolish when Hamura w/o Tenseigan is most likely on par with Hagoromo (have the same chakra size and strength) who is far stronger than a Naruto w/o RSM who is stronger than Toneri w/o his full power.
And Toneri is not on par with Hagoromo? slap yourself splitting the moon is a great feat Hagoromo best feat was creating the moon until it was debunked meaning he is near the level is there is a very large difference between RSM and BSM add full Kurama and the growth rate as i said above. You said on the ashura avatar gaunlet that Toneri attack would bypass the ashura avatar meaning RSM Naruto Palm from the last > VOTE2 avatar to late to take it back fact still remains that Naruto would wreck the kid Multiply Kurama avatar BDFRS Planet level senjutsu spite matchup really.
Juubi dama barrage counters the shurikens or even the juubi tails, hell juubi could use its clones to force the shuriken to warp prematurely add the fact that Kakashi susanoo is no where near Juubi size. Juubi has more then enough attack power to outlast Kamui shitty 5 minutes Kakashi gets wrecked.
Irrelevant because even after she gained her chakra she had her arm nearly tooken off by a much slower Kakashi, She was no that drained clearly she had no problem dodging Sasuke ps slashes which are faster than a BDFRS explode this is nothing but a sorry excuse and her being low on chakra does not equal Naruto being an adult and gaining the other half of Kurama.
Lmfao. Because she was surprised at his ability. Kakashi isn't fast enough to blitz. How is her dodging Sasuke's attack proof she wasn't drained? :lol. That just means that she was drained
Makes zero since and yes it will Kurama's bijuu dama are scaled to his size and with full Kurama being alot larger then 50% Kurama thus his bijuu dama is larger because a base bijuu dama is scaled to the mouth of the bijuu and if the bijuu mouth is much bigger then the bijuu dama is aswell. Kaguya does not use her expansive tsb instantly nor will she try it unless she runs out of option considering she wants his chakra.
His Avatar is no larger. Shown in Gaiden and The Last and the Boruto movie. So the only benefit is larger bijuu dama. When Kaguya uses it is irrelevant, because it will be used and it's proof that she's stronger than Naruto.
Leaving the dimension is not running away when an attack is going to destroy the dimension how the hell you think Kaguya is going to survive the attack? Proof Kaguya can warp her expansive tbb to another dimension? none exactly and Sasuke would not leave until the expansive gudo is about to go off. He only needs one dimension switch that is not anything furthermore how could Kaguya even use her expansive tbb without turning into that giant cat? Sasuke ameno blitz chop that ass up.
Kaguya is immortal. That's how. And she can teleport anything within range. Why would the Gudo Dama be an exception? Even if she couldn't, she could just put it away and then follow Sasuke.
It's used by taking in chakra. The rabbit form isn't needed.
Nope VOTE2 Sasuke susanoo would tank that attack let alone Adult Sasuke who would use shira tensei to repel that shit or simple dodges it.
No, he wouldn't tank it. 5 obliterated his PS. Adding more and using a barrage instead of just 5 fists=Sasuke's Susanoo being destroyed. ST has a cooldown.
I'll just quote in old post from myself from you saying the same bullshit.
How is he not stronger than Hagoromo? He knows all of rinnegan techs Jinless Hagz has no bijuu so no bijuu damas or any chakra cloaks whatsoever sasuke is like him but 2.0 His susanoo would squash him like a bug, the last Sasuke chidori was levels above VOTE2 Sasuke's if we level that into his susanoo thats puts the last Sasuke above VOTE2 Sasuke in thats only a 3 year time difference which makes the last sasuke 20 at the most still young and no where near his prime adult Sasuke is like 37 which is an ideal prime in ninja years considering Minato died at 27 and widely known that he did not reach his prime Madara Hashirama Ay Bee Kakashi Hiruzen etc. all those guys are example that 30-42 is an ideal prime age making this sasuke much stronger than his Last counter part. Furthermore Adult Sasuke talks about something being ever more scarier than Kaguya he did not act scared or even the least bit worried and even turned down Naruto's help when he asked meaning he has some believe he could be a match for whatever it is
and Sasuke is no fool to challenge someone thats anywhere near Kaguya power levels alone if he was not tiers above his teenage self.
Everything striked out are irrelevant points based on feats when Hagoromo has no feats. The bolded is flawed logic. How does Sasuke not being frightened translate to him being stronger than Hagoromo? Sasuke turned down Naruto's help in tracking the threat, not fighting it. Start reading and stop wanking to Sasuke. That logic fails even harder since it canonically takes Naruto and Sasuke to take out Momoshiki. The age BS is nothing but an assumption that proves one thing "Adult Sasuke>Any other Sasuke". Doesn't prove that Adult Sasuke>>>>>>>>>>VoTE 2 Sasuke or Adult Sasuke=Kaguya. Not in the slightest.
Since when has having a large chakra pool ever been a counter to genjutsu? you say catching all 9 bijuu as if that means something he only used it on 9 bijuu IT failed to work on Edos while Ka did not does that mean KA > IT no so that part of this post was irrelevant. Yup it means Sasuke stomps him and he's stronger than Hagoromo so the last part of your post is shitty to.
Yes. The only thing he ever caught were the Bijuu. The impressive thing was that he did it with just a glance and that he hit multiple targets. Not proof that he can catch Hamura and keep him in it long enough to immobilize him. Not to mention this is completely irrelevant to Hamura being stronger than Sasuke anyway, so it's a waste of time to type it. JJ Madara one shots Naruto w/ IT if he ever gets it off, does that mean that "JJ Madara>Any incarnation of Naruto" No. Stop using shit logic. You sound as dumb as you usually do.
Bold is completely irrelevant. Not sure why you wasted time mentioning it.
And Toneri is not on par with Hagoromo? slap yourself splitting the moon is a great feat Hagoromo best feat was creating the moon until it was debunked meaning he is near the level is there is a very large difference between RSM and BSM add full Kurama and the growth rate as i said above. You said on the ashura avatar gaunlet that Toneri attack would bypass the ashura avatar meaning RSM Naruto Palm from the last > VOTE2 avatar to late to take it back fact still remains that Naruto would wreck the kid Multiply Kurama avatar BDFRS Planet level senjutsu spite matchup really.
He was beaten by BSM Naruto. Period. Thus he is not on Hagoromo's level.
-Anything related to their growth is an assumption you are making, thus irrelevant.
-Naruto didn't outright tank Toneri's attack with his hand. If you actually believe that then you must be retarded. He focused all his power to that hand and went through Toneri's attack.
Juubi dama barrage counters the shurikens or even the juubi tails, hell juubi could use its clones to force the shuriken to warp prematurely add the fact that Kakashi susanoo is no where near Juubi size. Juubi has more then enough attack power to outlast Kamui shitty 5 minutes Kakashi gets wrecked.
1. Juubidama barrage is fanfic.
2. Any Juubidama that he can charge and fire faster than Kakashi can use his Shuriken all get warped away, only for the other 3 Shuriken to warp the Juubi away.
3. Madara's PS=Juubi's main body in size more or less. Kakashi's PS=Sasuke's PS in size. Sasuke's PS=Madara's PS in size.
4. It having attack power=/=It having the ability to continuously attack for 5 seconds.
5. If Juubi stupidly intercepts with it's tails, they get warped, then Kakashi cuts off the rest and fires another Kamui Shuriken.
Not including Hamura/Ashura/Indra/Toneri or adult versions of naruto/sasuke or hypothetical characters because i like to stick to feats and not rely on scaling. So basically only using manga up until chapter 699
I really don't think these two (Momo and Kinshiki) belong in the Top 5, or even the Top 10. From what we've seen from the trailers they can't even hold a candle to Kaguya. I'm gonna hold off until I post my top, though the first five spots are obvious:
