Kakuzu takes the Gauntlet

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:lol..... First off Bee isn't that fast speed wise if he couldn't blitz Kisame. It doesn't matter if you're faster than Kakuzu or not, Kakashi was faster than Kakuzu also, but was caught eventually.

Just like any opponenet who focuses on speed (Bee/Hebi) would succomb to :lol, don't bring stamina into this as it doesn't really have to do with that he simply gets overwhelmed.

He also has to attack Kakuzu eventually which puts him at a disadvantage as he'd be charging head first into the hearts range.

Bee not blitzing Kisame is Kisame's feat. Fact remains that his speed is above Kakuzu's. Also, Kakuzu's speed is above Kakashi's, as clearly shown when he outsped Raikiri Kakashi (which is his full speed).

Bee's fighting style does not focus on speed, he's just fast and extremely powerful. He has his swords though, which is his main fighting style; Kenjutsu.

And.... I still wait for your strategy as I literally see no reason as to why Gian would ever hit Bee. Bee can use his clones to attack, or he can release a large amount of ink to blind Kakuzu and then go somewhere outside of Kakuzu's LoS.
 

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Ignoring everything else you said that I felt was inaccurate, his elemental jutsu are a complete non-factor in front of Byakugou. I personally don't see him winning at all.

How does she deal with Katon + Futon and Gian with minimal injuries?

I can agree she can tank them, but Kakuzu is not bad at CQC himself he can finish her off before she regenerates with a Domu punch to the head.
 

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Bee not blitzing Kisame is Kisame's feat. Fact remains that his speed is above Kakuzu's. Also, Kakuzu's speed is above Kakashi's, as clearly shown when he outsped Raikiri Kakashi (which is his full speed).

Full speed =/= Shunsin .-.

Bee's fighting style does not focus on speed, he's just fast and extremely powerful. He has his swords though, which is his main fighting style; Kenjutsu.

Okay? That makes it even worse since he'd have to come pretty close to strike Kakuzu and the closer he get the tighter the masks/hearts circle him.

And.... I still wait for your strategy as I literally see no reason as to why Gian would ever hit Bee.

So you posted for nothing....? :lol because you stated nothing in this post.

Yes it would, If bee charges in, Kakuzu uses his fuuton which explodes with some pretty good force, bee tanks it but is blown back a bit, than Kakuzu uses Gian from a CLOSER distance (it was used in canon from like 25 meters, which is ridiculously far to strike someone) while Bee's off guard and it strikes him. Same exact thing if he avoids the fuuton, as while avoiding the Gian is launched.

Add in the Katon and make it even more overwhelming :lol Even if it fails a few times its going to connect, especially if you want to bring in the threads.
 

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How is Shunshin =/= top speed when Shunshin is the top speed.
 

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Full speed =/= Shunsin .-.

Uh.. Based on what?

Okay? That makes it even worse since he'd have to come pretty close to strike Kakuzu and the closer he get the tighter the masks/hearts circle him.

Bee can use his Ink Clones to blitz those masks.

So you posted for nothing....? :lol because you stated nothing in this post.

Yes it would, If bee charges in, Kakuzu uses his fuuton which explodes with some pretty good force, bee tanks it but is blown back a bit, than Kakuzu uses Gian from a CLOSER distance (it was used in canon from like 25 meters, which is ridiculously far to strike someone) while Bee's off guard and it strikes him. Same exact thing if he avoids the fuuton, as while avoiding the Gian is launched.

Add in the Katon and make it even more overwhelming :lol Even if it fails a few times its going to connect, especially if you want to bring in the threads.

I specifically asked you for a strategy because saying Gian will eventually hit is the most retarded argument you could possibly propose. Bee is evading any jutsu that Kakuzu possesses. And it doesn't matter how far Gian was used from, it lacks the speed feats to suggest it can hit Bee from 2 meters away, and that's not even factoring in the fact that it has a large prep time which is easily perceived. Katon is irrelevant because Bee just dodges that shit like he'd dodge a kunai; effortlessly.

If it fails a few times, it'll eventually connect? Uh, what? After seeing it once, it'll be far easier to evade it because you know its speed, how it works, etc. Bee can dodge those attacks for days, Kakuzu cannot fire those attacks for days.
Please tell me how Kakuzu counters; Ink spill used by a clone to block LoS followed by the original Bee and shitting all over Kakuzu and his threads with his Raiton enhanced swords. Inb4 masks rape him when Bee's clone would literally need to throw 3 raiton shurikens/pencils for 3 kills.
 

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Uh.. Based on what?

Uhhhh.....KG Convinced me a while back, forget the reasoning :lol i'll look it up when I get back.



Bee can use his Ink Clones to blitz those masks.

What stops them from being obliterated by Jutsu :lol? Nor can they catch the hearts if they take flight (or glide upwards)


I specifically asked you for a strategy because saying Gian will eventually hit is the most retarded argument you could possibly propose. Bee is evading any jutsu that Kakuzu possesses. And it doesn't matter how far Gian was used from, it lacks the speed feats to suggest it can hit Bee from 2 meters away, and that's not even factoring in the fact that it has a large prep time which is easily perceived. Katon is irrelevant because Bee just dodges that shit like he'd dodge a kunai; effortlessly.

:lol You're mentally challenged man.

Firstly it has shown no prep time, Ino noticed the hearts were focused on Shikamaru and Chouji hence why she ran towards them. Its shown no signs of prep unless you watch the anime.

Secondly you can't evade two things at once *sigh* Don't forget he doesn't have Pre-Cog, so if he avoids the Katon what stops Kakuzu from increasing its blast with the fuuton catching him off guard. To evade that which took him by surprise he's going to have to focus hard, in that time the Raiton heart/Kakuzu himself waits for him and strikes him or catches him with the threads which ends him regardless.


If you're just going to sit here spouting he evades everything and anything effortlessly I suggest you realize how fights work, there's more to evading something than speed.

If it fails a few times, it'll eventually connect? Uh, what? After seeing it once, it'll be far easier to evade it because you know its speed, how it works, etc. Bee can dodge those attacks for days, Kakuzu cannot fire those attacks for days.
Please tell me how Kakuzu counters; Ink spill used by a clone to block LoS followed by the original Bee and shitting all over Kakuzu and his threads with his Raiton enhanced swords. Inb4 masks rape him when Bee's clone would literally need to throw 3 raiton shurikens/pencils for 3 kills


No? Because he can't sit there and analyze it if Kakuzu's throwing jutsu after jutsu. Ink spill? How does that block someones line of site when there is no water .-. I seriously question you sometimes. He keeps his fuuton mask near him to negate all CQC attacks when he realizes bee has raiton, even if he can avoid it/tank it he's getting pushed backwards or he'd have to stop his attack to avoid it.

:lol He couldn't even strike Kisame from point blank range with his raiton weapon, yet you think he's striking two mobile creatures who can fly/glide directly in the mask where it needs to be? Please if you want him to lose his weapons continue with that strategy.
 

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^Not to mention Samehada which is currently on Bee's arsenal would simply absorb Kakuzu's elemental attacks.
 

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Threads easily remove that from his posession.

Bro we've had a similar discussion like this before. Do you really still think threads can blitz and outright steal Samehada from someone as reflexive as Bee?
 
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Uhhhh.....KG Convinced me a while back, forget the reasoning :lol i'll look it up when I get back.

Bring it up then smh.


What stops them from being obliterated by Jutsu :lol? Nor can they catch the hearts if they take flight (or glide upwards)

Um, Shunshin does. Uh, Raiton shurikens can be thrown upwards in case you didn't know my man ^_^.


:lol You're mentally challenged man.

Firstly it has shown no prep time, Ino noticed the hearts were focused on Shikamaru and Chouji hence why she ran towards them. Its shown no signs of prep unless you watch the anime.

How ironic.
[ ] She notified them before it was released, thus clearly prepping.

Secondly you can't evade two things at once *sigh* Don't forget he doesn't have Pre-Cog, so if he avoids the Katon what stops Kakuzu from increasing its blast with the fuuton catching him off guard. To evade that which took him by surprise he's going to have to focus hard, in that time the Raiton heart/Kakuzu himself waits for him and strikes him or catches him with the threads which ends him regardless.

Are you trolling or just flat out retarded? You can't evade two things at once because Zexion said so? FOH. If Bee shunshins to the right then Gian, Futon and Katon ALL miss. If he AVOIDS Katon then Kakuzu adding Futon is STILL avoided because it's only adding futon to the already evaded Katon. And no, it doesn't work like that. Kakuzu can follow up but Bee's clone will intercept him. It's not like Kakuzu can use all his masks at once and Bee has to fight with his clones turn by turn, :lol. I'm not even going to bring up Samehada because that would make Kakuzu look like a joke.


If you're just going to sit here spouting he evades everything and anything effortlessly I suggest you realize how fights work, there's more to evading something than speed.

@bold, How ironic. There's nothing more to completely evading attacks then speed and reaction speed, both of which Bee is top tier in.

No? Because he can't sit there and analyze it if Kakuzu's throwing jutsu after jutsu. Ink spill? How does that block someones line of site when there is no water .-. I seriously question you sometimes. He keeps his fuuton mask near him to negate all CQC attacks when he realizes bee has raiton, even if he can avoid it/tank it he's getting pushed backwards or he'd have to stop his attack to avoid it.

Again, what? If he SEES the jutsu then that is ALL the information he will need to know how it works. Next time its used it will end up being a joke to him. And stop being such an idiot for once Zex. He simply needs to of ink out with his clone. If you don't want to believe that is possible from a distance then the clone blitzes into a 2 meter range and does it. Real Bee just needs to blitz again with his Raiton shurikens and kill off all the masks/real Kakuzu. And lol @keeping his Futon mask near him. How's that going to help him when Bee can blitz it? This match is a joke because all I see is masks getting blitzed with their lacklustre reaction speeds and their half-assed jutsu initiation speeds.

:lol He couldn't even strike Kisame from point blank range with his raiton weapon, yet you think he's striking two mobile creatures who can fly/glide directly in the mask where it needs to be? Please if you want him to lose his weapons continue with that strategy.

That's because Kisame is far more powerful in CQC then Kakuzu is. Deal with it. Two mobile creatures means nothing more then two creatures which can move. They aren't fast, they get blitzed. And lol wat? Losing his shurikens and pencils won't effect him, it's not like he's throwing his swords lmfao. If anything Kisame will be losing chakra at the same time that Bee loses his own weapons. But that doesn't change Bee outlasting him with ease. That doesn't change Base bee blitzing his ass. That doesn't change 20 ink clones shitting all over the masks by surrounding Kakuzu.
 

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If you're just going to sit here spouting he evades everything and anything effortlessly I suggest you realize how fights work, there's more to evading something than speed.

The irony.
 

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What did i just think? I just changed my mind.

Tsunade totally beats Kakuzu. Unlike Sakura, Tsunade has lifting strenght, not only punchin strenght (Sakura only has the later due to CES). Tsunade doesn't use CES, she's just really strong, and she lifted bunta's sword, so she definitely can fight Kakuzu's threads (which are the reazon Kakuzu beats Sakura).

Another change of mind: Kakuzu definitely beats base jiraiya.
 

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How does she deal with Katon + Futon and Gian with minimal injuries?

I can agree she can tank them, but Kakuzu is not bad at CQC himself he can finish her off before she regenerates with a Domu punch to the head.

Why would a CQC based fighter be placed in the position where she'd be just standing around being blasted by Katon+Fuuton+Raiton...? It doesn't kill her anyways.

1) Tsunade can still fully function while regenerating, and 2) Byakugou activates instantly, and regenerations Tsunade very fast. Kakuzu doesn't have the necessary taijutsu skill and speed to simply run up on her and knock her with a mere punch.
 

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Didn't know Bee vs Kakuzu was debatable.
 

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I'm just skimming over here and damn. Zex on his usual again.
 

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Hidan
Darui
Kimimaro
Tsunade
Killer Bee (Base/V1)
Sasori
Mei
Danzo
Deidara
Gengetsu
Base Jiraiya
Hebi Sasuke
Hiruzen ("prime")
Orochimaru (Healthy)
Kisame

Beats the bolded ones. Underlined can go either way. Loses to the rest.
 

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Hidan
Darui
Kimimaro
Tsunade
Killer Bee (Base/V1)
Sasori
Mei
Danzo
Deidara
Gengetsu
Base Jiraiya
Hebi Sasuke
Hiruzen ("prime")
Orochimaru (Healthy) ( Is this zetsu oro?) Either way I still think he wins.
Kisame


Beats the bold, can beat the italics :lol

By all means come at me you ignorant fucks.

when we gone get this thang poppin?]
 

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What did i just think? I just changed my mind.

Tsunade totally beats Kakuzu. Unlike Sakura, Tsunade has lifting strenght, not only punchin strenght (Sakura only has the later due to CES). Tsunade doesn't use CES, she's just really strong, and she lifted bunta's sword, so she definitely can fight Kakuzu's threads (which are the reazon Kakuzu beats Sakura).

Another change of mind: Kakuzu definitely beats base jiraiya.

Lifting strength=/=punching strength.
Tsunade uses CES for every one of her decent 'strength' feats.
She cannot fight threads with strength when they can pierce right through her skin if she tried to block them, and continue to be released nigh infinitely.
 

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Lifting strength=/=punching strength.
Tsunade uses CES for every one of her decent 'strength' feats.
She cannot fight threads with strength when they can pierce right through her skin if she tried to block them, and continue to be released nigh infinitely.

Tsunade has both lifting and punching strength. She has already shown to be able to yet you continue to claim threads piercing her skin will effect her.
 
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