Question regarding rinnegan and EMS

[VongolaX]

A lot of people will agree that the rinnegan is the most powerful ocular doujustu, and many will also agree that nagato's the only one who's shown the ability to use more of its justus.

Now if that's the case, why do people say that Susanoo>>> all the rinnegans techniques?

The EMS magic garb Susanoo or Perfect Susanoo to other people's standards, was said by many people to one shot mastered rinnegan users like Nagato. How is that the case if nagato's shown superiority over the most powerful doujustu?

 

[Ansatsuken]

Who said that. I saw everybody said RSM>>>>>Rinnegan

 

[Tarinth]

Nagato has shown the most proficiency with the rinnegan but he hasn't shown the true power of it. In other words, Sasuke
and Madara haven't shown the ability to use abilities in conjunction with each other as skillfully as Nagato, but each of the
abilities they use is still greater than Nagato's. Their CT, preta path, deva path, etc. are all stronger.

Thus, the rinnegan is stronger than EMS, but the users that had EMS were Sasuke and Madara, whose raw power is so great
that they would beat down Nagato. In other words, rinnegan is better, but the two EMS users had much stronger chakra and
ability thus even with a weaker doujutsu, they would still win.

If you pit rinnegan Sasuke against EMS Sasuke, or rinnegan madara (even with no usage of any MS jutsu) against EMS Madara,
anyone would agree rinnegan madara would win.

 

[Yokaze Sama]

Nagato was never the rightful user of the Rinnegan so he couldn't utilize it's true powers, therefore are shinobis like Madara Uchiha or Obito (with both eyes) stronger than him.

 

[VongolaX]

Who said that. I saw everybody said RSM>>>>>Rinnegan

I always thought they were equal or seen it at least.

Nagato has shown the most proficiency with the rinnegan but he hasn't shown the true power of it. In other words, Sasuke
and Madara haven't shown the ability to use abilities in conjunction with each other as skillfully as Nagato, but each of the
abilities they use is still greater than Nagato's. Their CT, preta path, deva path, etc. are all stronger.

In truth I'm going by feats and Nagato's the only one to showcase the rinnegans capability excluding the signature power that only the original owner can use.

Thus, the rinnegan is stronger than EMS, but the users that had EMS were Sasuke and Madara, whose raw power is so great
that they would beat down Nagato. In other words, rinnegan is better, but the two EMS users had much stronger chakra and
ability thus even with a weaker doujutsu, they would still win.

That's the thing. I've never seen a Susanoo attack being much stronger than the rinnegan.
With Gedo art you can subdue nine bijuus simultaneously and with deva path you can destroy a village with one hit. Perfect Susanoo slash only cut five mountains.

If you pit rinnegan Sasuke against EMS Sasuke, or rinnegan madara (even with no usage of any MS jutsu) against EMS Madara,
anyone would agree rinnegan madara would win.

But there feats depend on limbo, Amenotejkra, and chibakui tensei.
Rinnegan Madara/Sasuke depend on their ms abilities in a fight combined with the limited rinnegan techniques that they displayed.

So look at it this way.

Rinnegan Madara no Susanoo/kyuubi of any kind vs Nagato at full health.

 

[Sea Of Thy Soul]

If Sasuke uses every Rinnegan tech that exists everytime he's in battle, no one will be able to survive for even a second.

 

[Seventh Sama]

That's because nagato doesn't have the offense & defense to take on PS slashes.

 

[SenseiSama]

Why does everyone need to be spoon fed jutsu as form of proof ? He used 3 Paths beyond Nagato's capability, therefore he can use all 6 of them beyond Nagato's capability, deal with it. EMS is meant to enhance the Rinnegan's power and complement it's jutsu i.e : Amaterasu + CT

Susanoo is Indra's Gedo Mazo, in other words it's his Outer Path, everything Nagato did, Sasuke can do but on a higher level, the jutsu Pain used against Hanzo, Sasuke can do but to a much superior extent

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Gedo Summon can easily take PS.

I always thought they were equal or seen it at least.

RSM isn't even equal to the rinnegan.

 

[Meee]

Idk if its the best Doujutsu, Its probs depends on the user but I honestly cant see any Rinnegan tech doing anything to a Perfect Susanoo.

Nagato was more diverse with the eyes but his shit was the weakest.

 

[Ansatsuken]

True Rinnegan power able to put down normal PS.

Limbo can heavily damage it

Large size CT can trap it

Preta Path can absorb PS chakra

But just true owner can do that

 

[Ansatsuken]

Why does everyone need to be spoon fed jutsu as form of proof ? He used 3 Paths beyond Nagato's capability, therefore he can use all 6 of them beyond Nagato's capability, deal with it. EMS is meant to enhance the Rinnegan's power and complement it's jutsu i.e : Amaterasu + CT

Susanoo is Indra's Gedo Mazo, in other words it's his Outer Path, everything Nagato did, Sasuke can do but on a higher level, the jutsu Pain used against Hanzo, Sasuke can do but to a much superior extent

Where it said Susanoo is Indra's Gedo Mazo in Manga or DB. Just because you saw Sasuke put TB chakra inside his PS similar to Gedo Mazo, then you came out with out of nowhere fact.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

True Rinnegan power able to put down normal PS.

Limbo can heavily damage it

Large size CT can trap it

Preta Path can absorb PS chakra

But just true owner can do that

how does limbo damage it?

 

[Ansatsuken]

how does limbo damage it?

By performing any jutsu that the original have(DB fact). Lets take Madara as example. He has PS. Limbo PS vs Real world PS

 

[VongolaX]

Why does everyone need to be spoon fed jutsu as form of proof ? He used 3 Paths beyond Nagato's capability, therefore he can use all 6 of them beyond Nagato's capability, deal with it. EMS is meant to enhance the Rinnegan's power and complement it's jutsu i.e : Amaterasu + CT

Susanoo is Indra's Gedo Mazo, in other words it's his Outer Path, everything Nagato did, Sasuke can do but on a higher level, the jutsu Pain used against Hanzo, Sasuke can do but to a much superior extent

I'm not sure if Indra can use Gedo Susanoo like Sasuke can, those require bijuus to be absorbed into the shell.
Besides that, I'm aware on how every rinnegan user has the use for these techniques (by hype) but going by feats we can only go by what Sasuke has shown. And Nagato heavily outweighs the rest of them right now thanks to more resourceful paths.

I need to know why EMS exclusively could beat Nagato, because I don't see it unless it's a genjustu.

That's because nagato doesn't have the offense & defense to take on PS slashes.

Lol nope, it's pretty even if you look at both perspectives

 

[V h o]

Limbo is probably one of the few or only things that can tussle with PS from the rinnegan

 

[Holy God]

A lot of people will agree that the rinnegan is the most powerful ocular doujustu, and many will also agree that nagato's the only one who's shown the ability to use more of its justus.

Now if that's the case, why do people say that Susanoo>>> all the rinnegans techniques?

The EMS magic garb Susanoo or Perfect Susanoo to other people's standards, was said by many people to one shot mastered rinnegan users like Nagato. How is that the case if nagato's shown superiority over the most powerful doujustu?

It depends on how you look at it. Manga-wise, a Rinnegan user is going to defeat a Perfect Susano'o user with a large amount of difficulty. Fictionally though, most people imagine the Susano'o slashing left and right, in which case obviously someone like Nagato would not be able to stop. His best defense is Almighty Push and assuming it could block a slash, it's only going to last for some seconds.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Limbo is probably one of the few or only things that can tussle with PS from the rinnegan

Again. How does limbo do so?

 

[VongolaX]

Idk if its the best Doujutsu, Its probs depends on the user but I honestly cant see any Rinnegan tech doing anything to a Perfect Susanoo.

Nagato was more diverse with the eyes but his shit was the weakest.

Shrina tensei leveled a whole village.

If Nagato diverts all that power towards perfect Susanoo, the Susanoo would get crushed.
On top of that Ashura path can create openings and animal increases the body count.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

By performing any jutsu that the original have(DB fact). Lets take Madara as example. He has PS. Limbo PS vs Real world PS

This is basically a rinnegan Vs EMS thread. So the rinnegan side does not have EMS tech. Just Imagine Nagato had limbo.

Shrina tensei leveled a whole village.

If Nagato diverts all that power towards perfect Susanoo, the Susanoo would get crushed.
On top of that Ashura path can create openings and animal increases the body count.

Lol. You think Shrinra tensei can crush PS? you must be trolling.