[Discussion] Can Eiichiro Oda Even Draw Fights?(Dressrosa sucks)

[shon93]

Breaking Down My Definition of a Good Fight

[video=youtube;Xtv6xCQqiU4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtv6xCQqiU4[/video]

Notice Z vs Luffy and how gripping the action is. It is fluid and back and foward. Both fighters are actually participating in the fight. Not one person standing and watching the other. There is no interruption or skipping away. There is no unneccessary dialigue. Granted it is the anime but this in mu opinion is how I expected Luffy vs Doffy to be based on its ADVERTISMENT aNd build up


"Shut up bro OP is not about fights its about adventure and friends and if u cant accept it drop it"-Most Fanboys

First of all before someone gives a genric answer like a quoted above let me clarify something. I am not an action ***** by any means. And nor I am I troll I think this is a legit question all OP fans should ask themselves to be be 100% honest

Let me explain: I have no doubt in my mind Oda can draw epic fight scenes(Marineford, Dressrosa Clashes) But I am having doubts if he cab draw epic fights with fluidity and cohesiveness

OP FIGHTS

GEAR 4th
BAMM!! Luffy sends Doffy flying
Skips to Riku dialogue
BAMM!! Luffy sends Doffy flying
A bunch of dialougu
BAMM!! Doffy kicks Luffy down a hole
Bellamy talking
BAMM!! Furocious Tiger
Skips to Ussop doing nothing or running around

My point is this fight and most OP FIGHT(besides Luffy vs Lucci) lack cohesion. Its hard as a viewer trying to engage in a fight when its not really a fight. Just basically a scene. We saw glimpses of it when Doffy was dodging but thats about it

Doflamingo Trademark Move(Parasite)

Luffy is my boy but the reason this fight sucks is because Doffy was been nerfed for plot purpose and its 1 sided. Notice Luffy was blitzing Doffy and not once did he use parasite or spiderweb to block Luffy. A man of his reaction speed is staying there and watching Luffy come at him without defended. No barriers at all

Even MF we didnt have one proper fight it was a just epic scenes here and there. In punk hazard we saw a few fights but none where executed well too me

My biggest fear as an OP fan[/B]

I fear when he see Top Tiers like Kaido they are not gonna have proper fights because Oda is incapable of drawing fluid fights. I feel when we see Kaido or Dragon they will have epic scenes in spots but no real fight were there is a back and forth between the 2 people who are fighting

The main reason for making this thread

Anyone on this forum can verify I am not a troll or a OP hater because I contribute alot on this forum. I am making this thread because anytime we have BUILD UP BUILD UP for 80+ chapters there is supppose to be PAYOFF so we as fans can feel it was worth the wait. But the payoff for this fight is horrible. How do you build up for 80 chapters then when the fight happens you skip ten minutes of it. You have Riku and fodder taking up panel space. You have a one sided battle with epic scenes and no fluidity. NO BACK AND FORTH NO SENSE OF DANGER

Tell me what u guys think? Its not only this fight but I have noticed a trend in OP. Also let me note this I enjoyed the backstory and epic moments in Dressrosa. I just feel this arc is 20 chapters too long

 

[I m an Ass]

i kind of agree with you the facht are lackluster

 

[LogicnoJutsu]

I agree. The fight had way to much hype with shitty execution.

 

[ANiMUS]

Gear 4 increases muscle strength (more leg strength=faster soru=faster luffy)
Parasite is too hax. It has to have some drawback which is probably y doffy didn't use it.

As for the jumping around..............that is just Oda :|

 

[shon93]

Gear 4 increases muscle strength (more leg strength=faster soru=faster luffy)
Parasite is too hax. It has to have some drawback which is probably y doffy didn't use it.

As for the jumping around..............that is just Oda :|

If it has a drawback I would have like to seen what the drawback was. Not just him not using it at all like he forgot his signature move

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

I agree. Same thing happened with Lucci in the anime. It would show some Luffy vs. Lucci and then go over to the SHs vs. the Marines, and back and forth. It really kind of ruined the fight for me.

 

[Frikid]

I think you are expecting way too much from a manga chapter. I honestly loved the fight and it is NOT over yet.

You are not analyzing the situation correctly, Doffy was weakened and luffy's motive was to defeat him as soon as possible before he fully recovers. This fight was supposed to be quick because of basically EVERYTHING that is happening right now.

There is a time limit in the fight because the bird cage is closing. Doffy was still recovering prior to luffy's G4 and luffy did not want him to fully recover. Luffy had all the intentions to end the fight as quickly as possible because that is what made sense at that moment.

The problem here is not in the manga but in you. You expected way too much action in this fight and you didn't really enjoy the fight because there was no constant back to back trades in that fight.

AND FIGHT IS NOT OVER YET. Doffy is still alive and kicking and he is ready to go on a rampage.

My advice to you :
Read the last 10 chapters again and when you will read them you will realize there have been a lot of action in the fights, it is just that you have a read a chapter after 7 days of waiting expecting action action action and you are feeling disappointed when you did not get what you wanted.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Stopped reading when I saw you're using a comparison of fluidity of animation to completely still pictures of a comic as your main basis.

Continued reading and I see what your point is. Oda has a penchant for cutting away from the fight scenes. It used to bother me, but I don't mind much anymore. That's why you have people that cut out the "filler" of the fights and upload them to YouTube.

 

[shon93]

I think you are expecting way too much from a manga chapter. I honestly loved the fight and it is NOT over yet.

You are not analyzing the situation correctly, Doffy was weakened and luffy's motive was to defeat him as soon as possible before he fully recovers. This fight was supposed to be quick because of basically EVERYTHING that is happening right now.

There is a time limit in the fight because the bird cage is closing. Doffy was still recovering prior to luffy's G4 and luffy did not want him to fully recover. Luffy had all the intentions to end the fight as quickly as possible because that is what made sense at that moment.

The problem here is not in the manga but in you. You expected way too much action in this fight and you didn't really enjoy the fight because there was no constant back to back trades in that fight.

AND FIGHT IS NOT OVER YET. Doffy is still alive and kicking and he is ready to go on a rampage.

My advice to you :
Read the last 10 chapters again and when you will read them you will realize there have been a lot of action in the fights, it is just that you have a read a chapter after 7 days of waiting expecting action action action and you are feeling disappointed when you did not get what you wanted.

After 80 chapters of build up shouldnt I expect an epic fight

Stopped reading when I saw you're using a comparison of fluidity of animation to completely still pictures of a comic as your main basis.

Continued reading and I see what your point is. Oda has a penchant for cutting away from the fight scenes. It used to bother me, but I don't mind much anymore. That's why you have people that cut out the "filler" of the fights and upload them to YouTube.

Still frames or not you get my point. The fight isnt flowing

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

I think you are expecting way too much from a manga chapter. I honestly loved the fight and it is NOT over yet.

You are not analyzing the situation correctly, Doffy was weakened and luffy's motive was to defeat him as soon as possible before he fully recovers. This fight was supposed to be quick because of basically EVERYTHING that is happening right now.

There is a time limit in the fight because the bird cage is closing. Doffy was still recovering prior to luffy's G4 and luffy did not want him to fully recover. Luffy had all the intentions to end the fight as quickly as possible because that is what made sense at that moment.

The problem here is not in the manga but in you. You expected way too much action in this fight and you didn't really enjoy the fight because there was no constant back to back trades in that fight.

AND FIGHT IS NOT OVER YET. Doffy is still alive and kicking and he is ready to go on a rampage.

My advice to you :
Read the last 10 chapters again and when you will read them you will realize there have been a lot of action in the fights, it is just that you have a read a chapter after 7 days of waiting expecting action action action and you are feeling disappointed when you did not get what you wanted.

your argument is invalid simply due to the fact that oda literally skipped 20 whole minutes of the fight right after it started.

 

[Anduril]

I partly agree, oda is bad when it comes to powerscaling. Also the villain and the protagonist keep fighting untill the plot is fulfilled. So until that plot fulfilment happens no one dies down. I am sure even Law will be back to help luffy deal the finisher. Doflamingo is behaving like a cockroach now, just wont stay down lol

And If luffy is having so much trouble agains doflamingo then it either means, doflamingo is actually already a Admiral tier fighter or it means we are going to get an asspull for luffy up ahead.

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

i agree oda is getting lazy with his fights.. he cuts away entirely too much from them for no good reason.. and dont get me wrong cutting away from a fight isnt always a bad thing but at least let us SEE the fight before you do not start the fight skip to show something irrelevant and then show the fight ending.

 

[Hexuze]

Well you have to remember it's not just Luffy fighting but also Law (who is currently out obviously). Law has his own reasons for wanting to kill Doflamingo which are totally different from the reasons why Luffy want to beat Doflamingo so ofc there will be dialogue & there's depth to the fight. I don't see how Dressrosa sucks because of that lol.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I partly agree, oda is bad when it comes to powerscaling. Also the villain and the protagonist keep fighting untill the plot is fulfilled. So until that plot fulfilment happens no one dies down. I am sure even Law will be back to help luffy deal the finisher. Doflamingo is behaving like a cockroach now, just wont stay down lol

And If luffy is having so much trouble agains doflamingo then it either means, doflamingo is actually already a Admiral tier fighter or it means we are going to get an asspull for luffy up ahead.

1. I guarantee if Luffy had just pounded Doffy into the dirt and he didn't get back up, people would ***** about how Doffy was a disappointing villain and how Luffy still hasn't had a real challenge since Hody and Caesar.

2. Or, as it's been stated before, in order to survive in the New World, you either become a Yonko, or have one loan you a hand. The Spiralhat Pirates right are now are in a perfect position to get Big Mom to ally with them. Sanji is an amazing chef, Caesar makes addictive candies, Big Mom is a fatass whose beef with the Strawhats is that Luffy cost her candy, Sanji has charisma with the ladies, there's a BIG chance Big Mom is Lola's mother, whom Nami is a friend of. The math is doing itself at this point.

It's pretty likely the next few arcs will deal with the Revolutionaries and the other Supernova rather than jumping immediately to Yonko, which will be in the not too distant future, giving our heroes more than enough time to continue training and fighting and getting stronger.

 

[shon93]

Well you have to remember it's not just Luffy fighting but also Law (who is currently out obviously). Law has his own reasons for wanting to kill Doflamingo which are totally different from the reasons why Luffy want to beat Doflamingo so ofc there will be dialogue & there's depth to the fight. I don't see how Dressrosa sucks because of that lol.

The fight just feels lifeless and robotic too me. And the reason I said it sucks it because the PAYOFF for the wait. But is has good moments. You have to realize this arc is OP longest arc...lol

 

[ethris]

OP is about so much more than just the fights, its complexity is one of the reasons its so great, fights dont just cover wining or losing, it reveals information pertinent to the overall plot, for example dofla revealing awakening.

ive noticed that people who bash OP are people who havent read the whole thing, its quite simple, if you and your half informed opinion were anywhere near being correct, it wouldnt have the incredibly large and committed fanbase that it has. but than again, we're all entitled to our opinions.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The fight just feels lifeless and robotic too me. And the reason I said it sucks it because the PAYOFF for the wait. But is has good moments. You have to realize this arc is OP longest arc...lol

I dunno about you, but the payoff has been excellent for fans of Sabo, Law, Zoro and Doflamingo.

 

[shon93]

ive noticed that people who bash OP are people who havent read the whole thing, its quite simple, if you and your half informed opinion were anywhere near being correct, it wouldnt have the incredibly large and committed fanbase that it has. but than again, we're all entitled to our opinions.

I am an OP addict bro. Before I even brush my teeth on Thursday morining my Ipad is in my hands reading the chapter. I am just able to put my love for OP aside and be obective unlike you. Never once did I question Oda as a storyteller and a plot genius. I question the cohesion of his fights and that is a fair question

I dunno about you, but the payoff has been excellent for fans of Sabo, Law, Zoro and Doflamingo.

Loll hell no those were the biggest dissapointment. The only character I feel was giving a fair payoff somewhat was Law

SABO:Offscreened we didnt see one move vs Fuji
ZORO:Cutting stone for a shit ton of chapters. What a challenge
DOFFY: Boring fight we still havent seen him put all his abiities together and go all out

 

[Punk Hazard]

Loll hell no those were the biggest dissapointment. The only character I feel was giving a fair payoff somewhat was Law

SABO:Offscreened we didnt see one move vs Fuji
ZORO:Cutting stone for a shit ton of chapters. What a challenge
DOFFY: Boring fight we still havent seen him put all his abiities together and go all out

If you say so.

 

[Lord Tywin]

What I'm more worried about is power scaling. Doflamingo, who shat his pants in thought of Kaido, while already massively damaged, is still kicking around after Luffy's ace. I don't see how Luffy will deal with stronger opponents without asspulls.