Sasuke didn't barely win the first battle in the valley. The Kyuubi saved Naruto twice when Sasuke had Naruto finished.
Not how after Sasuke hit Naruto with Chidori,he noted on Naruto's condition about how can no longer fight,and rightfully thinking he won, then the Kyuubu powers Naruto up, then later Naruto himself notes on his condition thinking Sasuke won, then the Kyuubu powers him up.
They wete not equal in the Chunin exam,and in the final battle they were both laying on the ground in the exact same condition unable to move dieing from bloodloss from having an arm blown off. The battle was physically a draw. Sasuke lost an ideology.
You mean Sasuke had Naruto finished with his own little handout called the Curse Mark.
Normal base Naruto and Sasuke were fighting on par with each other in Part 1, heck, several times Naruto was on top.
Sasuke lost lmao, stop reaching, he lost, it was directly stated, by himself, he lost both the fight and the ideology. Only reason why they both lost an arm was because Naruto was holding back.
He faced Pain mostly in SM until Hinata was attacked in front of him which was when Kurama showed up saved Naruto. But him transforming was unavoidable so the Kurama excuse is stupid to those who use it.
He only managed to fight Pain as well as he did because Pain was conveniently put into a weakened state after using CST, also because Tendou couldn't use his power, he would've lost if Pain was at full power.
As for who I like more....I'm just gonna say I like them both for different reasons, but damn, that Solo God and his solo glance and clap is too op.
Honestly I love how the Naruto fans were the 1st ones to point out they are winning in the poll and then Sasuke ends up winning o lawd. Honestly it shouldn't matter everyone has their favs and we should all accept that. That said Narutos characterization has been made dozens of times for marketing reasons. Anyone should be able to see that no matter who your fav is. Sasuke is unique!
What's the poll about anyway? I think about who's the favourite? Sasuke easily, and most know why I go for Sasuke. As for this fight thing going on, then Sasuke wins this through Petra Path and S/T teleportation. Kurama is never left alone to gather NE and the battle is over with a single Indra's arrow, for which Naruto required two powerful Futon based attacks.
Thread over. Not to mention the TSBs that cannot manifest without the Sage's Senjutsu and the chakra of tailed beasts - confirmed by the databook IV and the manga through Obito and Madara's interaction. Naruto was never relying on Kurama alone. That is pure fiction.
P.s: Sasuke is winning the poll? Lol Never expected that on NB of all the places. But good.
Sasuke is winning as expected given the many alts his fanbase harbours.
For a fight it would go down equal. kishi has hammered enough about that fact, only an illiterate person would still not be able to understand such a simple fact.
Sasuke is winning as expected given the many alts his fanbase harbours.
For a fight it would go down equal. kishi has hammered enough about that fact, only an illiterate person would still not be able to understand such a simple fact.
Sasuke is winning as expected given the many alts his fanbase harbours.
For a fight it would go down equal. kishi has hammered enough about that fact, only an illiterate person would still not be able to understand such a simple fact.
Firstly, Sasuke only used the bijuus' chakra, not their powers like Naruto. And the ONLY reason he used their chakra was because he didn't have enough chakra to produce Indra's Arrow, which is HIS OWN TECHNIQUE. If he had enough chakra at that time, he wouldn't have relied on the bijuus at all, since the only thing he used the bijuus chakra was to produce Indra's Arrow, and he could easily produced Indra's Arrow without their chakra if he had enough.
Plus, Sasuke only had the bijuus chakra as long as he had the Susanoo, which means after the Susanoo got destroyed by the massive clash of Indra's Arrow and the gigantic supercharged Rasenshurikens, Sasuke no longer held possession of the bijuus chakra. That's because Sasuke didn't absorb their chakra within himself. He only collected the bijuus' within Susanoo as a vessel. How can Sasuke have their chakra when the vessel holding them (Susanoo) has been destroyed?
Funny how people are saying sasuke will win....WHEN HE ALREADY LOST he admitted it. Their power is equal. Sure sasuke is smarterthan naruto, everyone is -_-, but that didn't stop naruto. He will keep coming back until you can't take anymore. Prove me wrong.
Those people are talking about a physical battle, not the dominance in ideals. That's why.
@bold Are you sure? Because Sasuke can bind, overpower and have complete ascendancy over all 9 bijuus simultaneously. Can Naruto do anything of that caliber?
Kurama said Sasuke was practically on the level of the Sage of the Six Paths when he collected the tailed beasts chakra within his Susanoo, with tailed beasts chakra and the Rinnegan. Show me Naruto's equivalency to that kind of power.
Excellent proof of Kurama's role in helping Naruto throughout their fight... You've owned the thread!
BTW, I'd like to point out that Sasuke only had the bijuus' chakra after he collected them in the Susanoo till the Susanoo was destroyed by clash of Indra's Arrow and gigantic supercharged Rasenshurikens. He didn't have their chakra till the end of the fight, because the vessel holding them (Susanoo) was destroyed before.
He faced Pain mostly in SM until Hinata was attacked in front of him which was when Kurama showed up saved Naruto. But him transforming was unavoidable so the Kurama excuse is stupid to those who use it.
Don't get me started on this Pain fight. Sure it was my favorite fight of all of Shippuden because of sheer action, but I didn't deny the facts and actual reasons of Naruto's victory while viewing this fight. Naruto had immense advantages in this battle.
Ur lord was born with the ability or proclivity to activate the sharingan. Naruto was born with the ability or proclivity to obtain a Bijuu. Neither of them could've had either ability
That's a bad comparison... What if all the bijuus were in their jinchuurikis (some other jinchuuriki who had control of the bijuu, not Kushina)? How would Naruto get his pet then? There are only 9 of them, you know. And Sasuke can activate the Sharingan without relying on any external circumstances, if he meets the conditions.
Sharingan is produced, Bijuu is obtained. If there are no more bijuus available, Naruto is screwed, despite having the ability to become their jinchuuriki.
Sharingan is a clan's trait. Only Uchihas can have them. Becoming a jinchuuriki is a result of having high chakra levels, both Senju/Uzumaki and Uchihas (or any other) can become jinchuurikis. Madara and Obito have already demonstrated that.
Firstly, Sasuke only used the bijuus' chakra, not their powers like Naruto. And the ONLY reason he used their chakra was because he didn't have enough chakra to produce Indra's Arrow, which is HIS OWN TECHNIQUE. If he had enough chakra at that time, he wouldn't have relied on the bijuus at all, since the only thing he used the bijuus chakra was to produce Indra's Arrow, and he could easily produced Indra's Arrow without their chakra if he had enough.
Plus, Sasuke only had the bijuus chakra as long as he had the Susanoo, which means after the Susanoo got destroyed by the massive clash of Indra's Arrow and the gigantic supercharged Rasenshurikens, Sasuke no longer held possession of the bijuus chakra. That's because Sasuke didn't absorb their chakra within himself. He only collected the bijuus' within Susanoo as a vessel. How can Sasuke have their chakra when the vessel holding them (Susanoo) has been destroyed?
Sasuke absorbed their chakra because he was stalemating with Naruto and couldn't kill him so he attempted to draw a large amount of the Biju's chakra to force his death which didn't work, it's also questionable whether Sasuke drew in their chakra because he didn't have the chakra to produce Indra's arrow or that he drew it in to empower the jutsu where he thought Naruto couldn't survive which would of been the case if he didn't have Kurama gather NE. Sasuke could of easily used Indra's arrow without the Biju's chakra show me a scan where the absolute requirement is the Biju's chakra?.
Work on your own reading comprehension, I said Ssauke needed the Biju's Chakra I never stated he absorbed it into himself.
Thanks Captain Obvious but I'm well aware the difference they were trying to make known but that's nothing more then them making excuses for what is stated in the manga as a fact. He lost get over it. a victory of morality is still that it's strange how this fact is argued so much they should get over it and move on.
@bold Are you sure? Because Sasuke can bind, overpower and have complete ascendancy over all 9 bijuus simultaneously. Can Naruto do anything of that caliber?
Kurama said Sasuke was practically on the level of the Sage of the Six Paths when he collected the tailed beasts chakra within his Susanoo, with tailed beasts chakra and the Rinnegan. Show me Naruto's equivalency to that kind of power.
Excellent proof of Kurama's role in helping Naruto throughout their fight... You've owned the thread!
BTW, I'd like to point out that Sasuke only had the bijuus' chakra after he collected them in the Susanoo till the Susanoo was destroyed by clash of Indra's Arrow and gigantic supercharged Rasenshurikens. He didn't have their chakra till the end of the fight, because the vessel holding them (Susanoo) was destroyed before.
Naruto and Kurama have been a part of each others life since he was born, these attempts at degrading Naruto while using him are just pathetic. Should I say Sasuke would be nothing if not for his brother training him and giving him a reason to become stronger or He would of gone blind not for the operation that implanted his brothers eyes into him after Itachi's death? Or Sasuke would of died vs Bee not for the intervention of his Team that the majority of the time he never cared for even once attacking Karin because she got in the way of killing Danzo?
Don't get me started on this Pain fight. Sure it was my favorite fight of all of Shippuden because of sheer action, but I didn't deny the facts and actual reasons of Naruto's victory while viewing this fight. Naruto had immense advantages in this battle.
It was 2 vs 6 or 7 if you include Nagato controlling them, Or will you say Kurama would of been able to defeat Pain himself not for Naruto's intervention using SM? Kurama would of mostly likely got taken if Naruto never interfered because 6 vs 1 would of mean't him being collected like the rest.
That's a bad comparison... What if all the bijuus were in their jinchuurikis? How would Naruto get his pet then? There are only 9 of them, you know. And Sasuke can activate the Sharingan without relying on any external circumstances, if he meets the conditions.
Sharingan is produced, Bijuu is obtained. If there are no more bijuus available, Naruto is screwed, despite having the ability to become their jinchuuriki. Sharingan is a clan's trait. Only Uchihas can have them. Becoming a jinchuuriki is a result of having high chakra levels, both Senju/Uzumaki and Uchihas (or any other) can become jinchuurikis. Madara and Obito have already demonstrated that.
What if Itachi never died and Sasuke after overusing his Sharingan, where would he get his new light. Sharingan is only usable for so long until you overuse it's abilities evident of the many who try to attain new eyes.
<div class="bbWrapper">knew Sasuke was gonna win. The amount wanking couldn't have been done by such few people. Anyway, faith in the base is forever lost. Idk how you can overlook the things Sasuke has done just because of his looks and swag :/<br />
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I'm also surprised at Naruto's votes. If you look at the forums, he only has like 6 fans. From what I've seen anyway <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite9" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" data-shortname=":eek:" /></div>
Honestly it shouldn't matter everyone has their favs and we should all accept that. That said Narutos characterization has been made dozens of times for marketing reasons. Anyone should be able to see that no matter who your fav is. Sasuke is unique!
