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You know what's interesting? How retarded you get the longer this drags on. Thanks for not proving your point, and giving evidence towards mine. Lol dumbass. If two people are needed for the sealing then that's evidence that Hagoromo had both and then gave one to Hamura since he'd NEED Hamura to seal as you need 2 people. Then there's the fact that DB says you need two people to use it, not that only two people can wield them. Hagoromo wields both. That simple. Did I say he can use both himself? Nope.

Lol. Save some face and don't bother replying. At this point I don't even know what the hell you are trying to argue. All I know is that it's retarded.

I'm only replying to this for now, I'll reply to the other stuff later.

You yet again misunderstood the context of that.

It wasn't as evidence towards my point, it was me consenting that you were correct about that, that's not me being a dumbass, just me knowing I was beaten with this particular discussion about Hamura having the Yin Seal from the start.

I don't need to save any face bro, and can you please calm down?
At this point I have no idea what we are arguing for, at all.
 

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I'm only replying to this for now, I'll reply to the other stuff later.

You yet again misunderstood the context of that.

It wasn't as evidence towards my point, it was me consenting that you were correct about that, that's not me being a dumbass, just me knowing I was beaten with this particular discussion about Hamura having the Yin Seal from the start.

I don't need to save any face bro, and can you please calm down?
At this point I have no idea what we are arguing for, at all.

Lol, then SAY SO. Jesus. Lol. Don't bring evidence and expect me to assume that you are debating for or agreeing with my point, especially when you've been ignoring evidence from Post 1.

This debate started because you think Indra and Ashura have half of Hagoromo's chakra. If you don't anymore, then don't reply to me cause you are only wasting my time at this point.
 

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No, it doesn't. Rinnegan is half of his power. You needing both his son's chakra doesn't change that.







No. I'm going to ignore the baseless assumption you are making.


Rinnegan is both the power of Six Paths Yang and Six Paths Yin.


It's not an assumption, Hashirama's chakra was special even among the Senju, as was Madara's, logically, its because they're Transmigrants.






Lol, that's why I specifically stated "CHAKRA". Do the obvious thing and substitute "SOUL" with "CHAKRA". CHAKRA is what transmigrates. Not SOULS. Does that change the definition of TRANSMIGRATION. No. So please stop with the inept replies. It's getting pretty old.

Wow....
Passing of a soul into a NEW body.

That's quite the memory right there.





There is no "separate context". That is exactly how it works for all cases. By saying their chakra sticks to them after their death, you are saying that the SA will continue to have Kurama's chakra even after using it up. You are denying the fact that their chakra transmigrates from person to person to person.


Baseless ass assumption.

There is a difference. Anyway, I recapitulate, Hashirama's cells and chakra are noted as special because he's Ashura's Transmigrant, yet when Ashura leaves and latches onto another, Hashirama's cells still hold their amazing properties.

Ashura's Chakra mode is yellow, Naruto's KCM, BM, BSM, and RSM mode have yellow chakra because his chakra is yellow.
Hopefully you can connect those dots.


No one knows what kind of connection they have, but whatever connection there is, it's a connection between Hashirama and the Juubi and that doesn't have shit to do with Ashura or his other transmigrants. Ashura was NOT born with the Juubi's anything. Lol. He was born with HAGOROMO's power. HAGOROMO is his father. Not the ****ing Juubi.

You are doing nothing but pulling a whole load of shit out of your ass.

-Proof that the Juubi's body is Wood.
-Proof that the Juubi's Yang Release is Mokuton.
-Proof that Hashirama's cells need Ashura's chakra to be special.
-Proof that Hashirama kept Ashura's chakra despite Manga clearly stating that it passed on to NARUTO.



You said it's because of Ashura, thus no matter the person, Ashura's reincarnation should always have Mokuton. If all of his transmigrants don't have it, then it's not an ability granted by Ashura's chakra. It's really that simple. He can use Mokuton well because of his life force, but that doesn't mean getting Ashura's chakra gives you Mokuton.


Hashirama's Mokuton, is noted, and shown, as supremely life giving, it flows with chakra beyond merely Water and Earth release.
Oh boy, let me summarise something for you.
Kaguya, a princess eats the Shinju fruit, thus she gains Shinju's chakra, and is technically the Shinju, cause she's fused with it (though she doesn't transform into the Juubi itself until later). She gives birth to two sons, both of which inherit chakra from her, Shinju/Juubi chakra that allows them to have their powers.
Hagoromo, the Rinnegan, Sharingan, Six Paths Sage Mode, and the possibility of the 'Third Eye.'
Hamura, the Byakugan, Tenseigan, Tenseigan Chakra Mode, and most likely the Shikotsumyaku.
Both sons have her chakra and naturally have the Senjutsu of Six Paths chakra (Which comes from Shinju/Kaguya not Hagoromo).
But Hagoromo goes a step further and becomes the Jin for the Juubi, gaining further power.
He has two sons, one has his Six Paths Yin chakra, and the other his Six Paths Yang chakra (both chakra's presumably slightly diluted, since he didn't grant it to them).

Let me reiterate for you.

Ashura has the Juubi's Yang charkra, because Hagoromo's Yang chakra is the Juubi's Yang chakra, same goes for Indra.
Hashiram's Mokuton, is quite clearly from Ashura, given the life giving, and Yang properties of it.


Then I guess all Transmigrants of Indra are going to be running around with all MS techniques, and that all Ashura Transmigrants have to have Gudoudama's.

Hopefully you have the brain to contemplate the fact that just because Indra and Ashura had something, doesn't mean their Transmigrants are going to simply have it.

It's noted by Hagoromo himself that all Transmigrants are different from one another, with the most recent two being the most similar to Indra and Ashura.



It's already a FACT that Hashirama is the only Senju to have Mokuton. That's not an assumption. Learn what the term is before you toss around the word while looking a fool in the process.




Please get proof. Or get lost. Manga shows him putting in that small piece of meat. Manga shows him using what he took to create a living clone of Hashirama. If you want me to believe he put more into his body, please show me proof or evidence that he did. Your word doesn't mean jack shit.


Kishi is well known for changing his mind on multiple occasions, not only that, but plenty of beliefs that people had have proven to be untrue.

Why wouldn't he? Especially since he was trying to stay alive and keep healing himself.





Lol, what a dumbass.

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"MY CHAKRA". Get this Yin and Yang bullshit out of here.



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Jeez man, for ****s sake, you and I both know that Hagoromo halved his chakra between Naruto and Sasuke, Naruto the Yang and Sasuke the Yin.

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See that manifestation behind Hagoromo? That's his two powers, Yin and Yang (otherwise referred to as Six Paths Yin and Yang). Its split in half, with Sasuke standing at the Yin side and Naruto at the Yang side.
Hagoromo's staff is directed to both of them Yang to Naruto and Yin to Sasuke.
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'Half of Great Old Man's power.'


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Naruto, sits in front of the representation of Yang, an Ashura (Asura) while also yet again, sitting at the side of Hagoromo's Yang end of his Shakujo, while Sasuke sits in front of the representation of Yin, Indra, while also sitting on the side where Hagoromo's Yin end is.
Not only that, but he specifically gifts Sasuke with his Yin seal and Naruto his Yang seal, further showcasing that he split his powers.
DB is also a good mention, since it has no mention of Sasuke having Hagoromo's Six Paths Yang chakra, same goes for Naruto and Six Paths Yin.


Stealing a portion of Madara's chakra doesn't give him the actual form dumbass. Lol. Nice try though. Six Paths Senjutsu constitutes of mainly the extremely enhanced abilities and flight. Obito can't fly. That simple.

He stole Madara's Senjutsu chakra, but not enough to activate the form, but just enough to use a single Gudoudama and gift Kakashi with some power.
DB states Gudoudama can only be gained through Senjutsu of Six Paths, it's canon, don't fight it.

Concede.




Yes, it is. That's why I used it to refer to the powers a Juubi Jin gets. Lol.



Does that change the fact that they are different? Or are you telling me that Six Paths Sage Mode and the Juubi Jin's powers are the same? Lol. No. Having Six Paths Senjutsu doesn't mean you have RSM, so please don't go around saying Ashura has RSM when he has nothing that'd link him to RSM besides the Gudo Dama, which aren't even around his own body but instead his battle avatar.


Lol, what the hell?

1. Kaguya became the Juubi after they were born.
2. You don't become a pseudo Jin from having a Jin for a mother. Or was Naruto a pseudo Jin when he was born too. Lol



And so is Indra. Lol. Your point? Since when could you get Six Paths Senjutsu, Hagoromo's Senjutsu from HAMURA's Dojutsu? Lol.



Ignore that.




Gonna need to see an entry, cause last time I checked there was no entry for the Six Paths Yin Power. Only for Six Paths CT, which only lists them as users. It doesn't say anything proving your point.


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Evidence? He gave them his chakra. The only chakra that has shown to be purely Yin or purely Yang in nature is Bijuu Chakra.

Your right, I had a look at a DB translation and it says so, looks like I was mistaken.

They are both formed from the same type of chakra, Naruto's is only different because of different circumstances and having gained it from Hagoromo.
Bloody hell, how many times do I have to say this? Just because Ashura's avatar is holding his Gudoudama doesn't mean that its any different, considering they are hovering over his avatars hands, its quite obvious. Stop mentioning it, especially since all Gudoudama can be moved from behind your back to different places.

1. Indeed, but she was technically already the Juubi, she merely hadn't yet manifested into the form of it.
2. I said probably, learn the word please.
Hamura and Hagoromo are brothers, they are both probably a form of pseudo-jinchuuriki.
Six Paths Senjutsu actually came from Shinju/Kaguya, as did everything else that exists that's part of chakra.

Will do then.

Your probably right, but I could've sworn I saw it mentioned someone, its probably just me and my awful memory.




-No statement proves that Kaguya or Hagoromo split their chakra in half and gave it to their sons.
-No showing proves that.
-No statement or showing proves that Hamura is the original wielder of the Six Paths Yin Power. In fact, evidence shows that he isn't.
-No statement or showing proves that Sasuke has Hashirama's cells let alone Ashura's chakra.
-No statement or showing proves that Ashura's chakra sticks to the reincarnations. In fact, the definition of the term "transmigration" already defeats that point.
-No statement or showing proves that Ashura inherited the Juubi's Yang.

Speculative garbage is speculative garbage.



The only fact is that you need immense reserves. That's it. No correlation you are trying to make is fact.




The only Yang ability he got from Hagoromo was the Six Paths Yang Power. Naruto uses Yin-Yang Release after getting Hagoromo's chakra according to the DB, but somehow he only got YANG Release from him/ Lmao.

DB for Kaguya.

Right.

I haven't mentioned the Yin seal in a while mate, I was talking bout the chakra. I even conceded that point.
What? Kabuto implanted Hashirama's cells in Sasuke. Da ****?
See above.
See above.

Right, sure. :lmao:




Okay.

I think your forgetting that DB mentions that Yin-Yang release comes with Six Paths Senjutsu.
Naruto is actually only listed under Yang in Databook from memory.

Sasuke is listed as only having Yin also brah.


That is basically what I meant. You have zero proof. That's why I posted that. "Evenly divided".



Yet the Manga states the Juubi (Kaguya) went after the chakra SHE LOST. If she could just regenerate it then she would have no need to steal their chakra away from them.


Oh boy, seems I'm going to have to explain to you what deny means.
State that one refuses to admit the truth or existence of.
"Both firms deny any responsibility for the tragedy"
Refuse to admit the truth of (a concept or proposition that is supported by the majority of scientific or historical evidence).
"An anti-environmentalist campaign group that denies climate change"
Refuse to give (something requested or desired) to (someone).

This is what you said
Nothing in this statement proves that Hagoromo's full power was evenly denied.
The word deny doesn't fit in the context of your statement, it makes no sense.
Also, I beg to differ, Kaguya didn't go on a rampage because of the chakra she lost, rather because she believed that only she should have chakra and no one else.
'And then, Kaguya became ruled by her desire to make all chakra her own.

To make all chakra one - Kaguya's desire eventually turned on Hagoromo and Hamura, her own twin sons with whom she had split her chakra. Kaguya formed a plan, and in order to take in all chakra, fused with the Shinju and battled against her twin sons.
'
It was Hagoromo and Hamura who thought she, as the Juubi had come to reclaim her lost chakra, but that was them merely assuming.


Mental and Physical Energy are related to Yin and Yang. That doesn't mean that they are the same thing. That's like telling me that Hagoromo gave Naruto all his physical energy and Sasuke all his mental energy, when that's impossible as he gave them his chakra.



Since when did "split" refer to "split in half"? Lol. Learn to read pal. Split means split. That's it.

Um, right...

No, she didn't. Lol. I suggest you actually read that panel and stop being a retard.

Mental and Physical Energy are a part of Yin and Yang bro.







Doesn't' matter moron. Ashura's Avatar trumps anything he can do with his Bijuu chakra. Lol, it takes a

Right.



Hmm, let's see.

-Naruto uses Gudo Dama to block Susanoo Arrows, both are blown up but the former regenerates, and when PS comes out he switches to Kurama, meaning Kurama is stronger than the Gudo Dama.

-Nothing Naruto has done with his Bijuu Kekkei Genkai come close to what he's done with the Kurama Avatar let alone the Ashura Avatar.

Not to mention Naruto had access. Just another attempt of yours to rewrite the Manga so it can go hand in hand with your fantasies.




Don't know how. Not relevant how. The only relevant thing is that she did it.

Ummmm, no.

I'm pretty sure that Naruto had less Gudoudama after he temporally lost the other Tailed Beasts.

He didn't have access to the other tailed beasts, its not me making a rewrite of the manga.



I'm waiting for you to either stop replying or concede your shit arguments which I will list below:

-Ashura and Indra are half of Hagoromo's power.
-Hamura and Hagoromo are half of Kaguya's power.
-Naruto w/ Bijuu Abilities>Naruto w/ Ashura Avatar.
-Sasuke got Rinnegan with Ashura's chakra despite Manga and DB saying that he got it from Hagoromo.




I'm not cocky. I'm only replying to you how I'd reply to any moron. The fact you have painted a picture where I act like I'm superior only shows that you are the one who thinks so. Lol.



Lol, when you can read yourself, then we can talk about helping others.



Already said I wanted to stop the discussion of Indra and Ashura.
Already talked bout that.
It's obvious, not only that, but Naruto with all Bijuu can also activate the Ashura avatar, he just needs to figure it out.
Manga never stated it, especially since he only had one half of the equation from Hagoromo.


You are indeed very cocky.

Lol, then SAY SO. Jesus. Lol. Don't bring evidence and expect me to assume that you are debating for or agreeing with my point, especially when you've been ignoring evidence from Post 1.

This debate started because you think Indra and Ashura have half of Hagoromo's chakra. If you don't anymore, then don't reply to me cause you are only wasting my time at this point.


:( I didn't want to outright say it, it's very hard for me to concede, but when I do, it means I lost, and badly at that.

I indeed do remember, I merely meant I didn't understand why we couldn't simply debate without insults being thrown around.
 
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Rinnegan is both the power of Six Paths Yang and Six Paths Yin.

Nope. His chakra. End of story. Rinnegan is the power of Indra and Ashura's chakra (Yin and Yang) merged together to form Hagoromo's Rinnegan, which is half of his power. The other half is his Senjutsu. Needing Yang (ashura) and Yin (Indra) doesn't change that fact nor does it mean that you need Hagoromo's Yin and Hagoromo's Yang Chakra to awaken it. You only need his chakra. His son's chakra=/=His own chakra. How many times will I have to explain this nonsense?

It's not an assumption, Hashirama's chakra was special even among the Senju, as was Madara's, logically, its because they're Transmigrants.

Does that mean he needs Ashura's chakra to retain the qualities of his own chakra? Does that mean Ashura's chakra is the direct reason? No and no.



Wow....


That's quite the memory right there.

Because I was referring to the definition in that statement. Then there's all the other statements where I mention chakra. Lmao. Read. Read before you reply. Getting sick and tired of this shit.



There is a difference. Anyway, I recapitulate, Hashirama's cells and chakra are noted as special because he's Ashura's Transmigrant, yet when Ashura leaves and latches onto another, Hashirama's cells still hold their amazing properties.
That's exactly what happens unless you want to tell me that transmigration doesn't mean transmigration anymore.
Ashura's Chakra mode is yellow, Naruto's KCM, BM, BSM, and RSM mode have yellow chakra because his chakra is yellow.
Hopefully you can connect those dots.

Minato's KCM is yellow too. Guess he's Ashura's reincarnate as well. KCM, BM and BSM are KURAMA'S CHAKRA. Lol. Once again you have no point.

Hopefully you stop bringing all this garbage conjecture here cause it's starting to make you look even more foolish than before.


Hashirama's Mokuton, is noted, and shown, as supremely life giving, it flows with chakra beyond merely Water and Earth release.
Oh boy, let me summarise something for you.
Doesn't prove anything you are saying.

Kaguya, a princess eats the Shinju fruit, thus she gains Shinju's chakra, and is technically the Shinju, cause she's fused with it (though she doesn't transform into the Juubi itself until later). She gives birth to two sons, both of which inherit chakra from her, Shinju/Juubi chakra that allows them to have their powers.
Lol, I suggest you read the Manga before replying to me. Let me tell you what REALLY happened here. Kaguya ate the fruit, got the chakra, had her kids, and only after that did she fuse with the Shinju to become the Juubi in order to retrieve her chakra from her sons. Lol. She doesn't fuse with it, and then turn into it later. The fusion is the transformation.

Smh.

Hagoromo, the Rinnegan, Sharingan, Six Paths Sage Mode, and the possibility of the 'Third Eye.'

Hagoromo doesn't have the Sharingan.

Hamura, the Byakugan, Tenseigan, Tenseigan Chakra Mode, and most likely the Shikotsumyaku.
Sure.

Both sons have her chakra and naturally have the Senjutsu of Six Paths chakra (Which comes from Shinju/Kaguya not Hagoromo).
But Hagoromo goes a step further and becomes the Jin for the Juubi, gaining further power.
Uh-huh.

He has two sons, one has his Six Paths Yin chakra, and the other his Six Paths Yang chakra (both chakra's presumably slightly diluted, since he didn't grant it to them).

Uh-huh.

Let me reiterate for you.

Ashura has the Juubi's Yang charkra, because Hagoromo's Yang chakra is the Juubi's Yang chakra, same goes for Indra.
Hashiram's Mokuton, is quite clearly from Ashura, given the life giving, and Yang properties of it.

The rest is irrelevant since the bold is false.

Then I guess all Transmigrants of Indra are going to be running around with all MS techniques, and that all Ashura Transmigrants have to have Gudoudama's.
They aren't, because your point is idiotic and incorrect. Lol.

Hopefully you have the brain to contemplate the fact that just because Indra and Ashura had something, doesn't mean their Transmigrants are going to simply have it.

Lol, are you stupid? That's what I've been trying to tell your dumbass this whole time. Don't give Ashura credit for Mokuton when he has jack shit to do with it. Don't say that he's the cause when no other reincarnate has it.



Kishi is well known for changing his mind on multiple occasions, not only that, but plenty of beliefs that people had have proven to be untrue.
If you think he changed his mind. Prove it. Until then, don't entertain the notion.

Why wouldn't he? Especially since he was trying to stay alive and keep healing himself.

We already saw how he kept himself alive, and it wasn't via more of his cells. If you aren't going to prove your claims I suggest you drop this point.







Links broken, I can't see the picture.

Jeez man, for ****s sake, you and I both know that Hagoromo halved his chakra between Naruto and Sasuke, Naruto the Yang and Sasuke the Yin.
Chapter 671. Hagoromo tells Naruto that HIS chakra brings out the Rinnegan. End of story.
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See that manifestation behind Hagoromo? That's his two powers, Yin and Yang (otherwise referred to as Six Paths Yin and Yang). Its split in half, with Sasuke standing at the Yin side and Naruto at the Yang side.
Hagoromo's staff is directed to both of them Yang to Naruto and Yin to Sasuke.
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'Half of Great Old Man's power.'

Those represent the Yin Seal and the Yang seal of the Six Paths. Sorry buddy. The seals and the chakra are two independant things. Them standing on opposite sides only shows how they are opposite, and how their representive lineages and they themselves represent Yin and Yang. That doesn't mean that Hagoromo only gave them Yang Chakra and Yin Chakra. Only Bijuu chakra works like that. Not human chakra.

Then there's the fact that Naruto uses Yin-Yang Release. So how the hell did he only gain Yang Release? Lol. DB states Hagoromo's power IS Yin-Yang Release. Yet somehow Naruto only got Yang...Lol.
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Naruto, sits in front of the representation of Yang, an Ashura (Asura) while also yet again, sitting at the side of Hagoromo's Yang end of his Shakujo, while Sasuke sits in front of the representation of Yin, Indra, while also sitting on the side where Hagoromo's Yin end is.
Not only that, but he specifically gifts Sasuke with his Yin seal and Naruto his Yang seal, further showcasing that he split his powers.
DB is also a good mention, since it has no mention of Sasuke having Hagoromo's Six Paths Yang chakra, same goes for Naruto and Six Paths Yin.

You've only proven that he's split his power, which was obvious from the start. You haven't proven that it was into Yang Chakra and Yin Chakra. You've only proven that he gave them the Yin and Yang SEALS. Which was again, obvious, and has nothing to do with the chakra itself. They are separate.


He stole Madara's Senjutsu chakra, but not enough to activate the form, but just enough to use a single Gudoudama and gift Kakashi with some power.

Thus he doesn't need the actual form to use the Gudo Dama, which is my point. Ashura did NOT have RSM. Lol. Using Gudo Dama isn't proof he has RSM.

DB states Gudoudama can only be gained through Senjutsu of Six Paths, it's canon, don't fight it.

Concede.

Please read above.




Your right, I had a look at a DB translation and it says so, looks like I was mistaken.

They are both formed from the same type of chakra, Naruto's is only different because of different circumstances and having gained it from Hagoromo.
Naruto's is different, and why it is different doesn't matter.

Bloody hell, how many times do I have to say this? Just because Ashura's avatar is holding his Gudoudama doesn't mean that its any different, considering they are hovering over his avatars hands, its quite obvious. Stop mentioning it, especially since all Gudoudama can be moved from behind your back to different places.
-RSM grants 6-9 Gudo Dama.
-Ashura doesn't have that many.

-Gudo Dama being able to be moved doesn't mean shit when the Gudo Dama don't expand into bigger balls.

1. Indeed, but she was technically already the Juubi, she merely hadn't yet manifested into the form of it.
Based on literally nothing, and disproven by the Manga.

2. I said probably, learn the word please.

If you don't have any evidence, then don't mention it at all. That simple. Learn how to debate please.

Six Paths Senjutsu actually came from Shinju/Kaguya, as did everything else that exists that's part of chakra.

Ok




DB for Kaguya.

When you can prove or show where it says split in half, then we can talk. Until then, I'll take that as a concession since you are merely repeating addressed points.


I haven't mentioned the Yin seal in a while mate, I was talking bout the chakra. I even conceded that point.
What? Kabuto implanted Hashirama's cells in Sasuke. Da ****?
See above.
See above.

Right, sure. :lmao:
Smh..


I think your forgetting that DB mentions that Yin-Yang release comes with Six Paths Senjutsu.
Naruto is actually only listed under Yang in Databook from memory.

Sasuke is listed as only having Yin also brah.

DB only says Hagoromo's power is Yin-Yang Release. Not that Six Paths Senjutsu is what grants Yin-Yang Release.





Oh boy, seems I'm going to have to explain to you what deny means.


This is what you said

The word deny doesn't fit in the context of your statement, it makes no sense.
Also, I beg to differ, Kaguya didn't go on a rampage because of the chakra she lost, rather because she believed that only she should have chakra and no one else.
'And then, Kaguya became ruled by her desire to make all chakra her own.

To make all chakra one - Kaguya's desire eventually turned on Hagoromo and Hamura, her own twin sons with whom she had split her chakra. Kaguya formed a plan, and in order to take in all chakra, fused with the Shinju and battled against her twin sons.
'
It was Hagoromo and Hamura who thought she, as the Juubi had come to reclaim her lost chakra, but that was them merely assuming.

Lol, are you a fucking idiot? I literally put what I meant in quotations yet you are replying to me with this shit? "EVENLY DIVIDED" Lmao. What a tard.

Wrong. She did come for the chakra she gave to them. I suggest we read the Manga before replying. Hagoromo and Hamura didn't think SHE came for her chakra back. They thought that the Juubi was the Shinju that came for it's chakra. They had no clue it was their mother.



Mental and Physical Energy are a part of Yin and Yang bro.

They are closely related. They aren't the same thing. Yin and Yang are chakra natures. Mental and Physical Energy make up chakra.






Ummmm, no.

I'm pretty sure that Naruto had less Gudoudama after he temporally lost the other Tailed Beasts.

He had less because he used the rest up. Not because he lost the other Bijuu, nor did he ever lose the Bijuu. Once again, what are you talking about?

He didn't have access to the other tailed beasts, its not me making a rewrite of the manga.

I'm waiting for actual proof of this. Lol.





Already said I wanted to stop the discussion of Indra and Ashura.
Then stop replying to points about it.

Already talked bout that.
It's obvious, not only that, but Naruto with all Bijuu can also activate the Ashura avatar, he just needs to figure it out.
Manga never stated it, especially since he only had one half of the equation from Hagoromo.

And when he does that he'll STILL be using KURAMA. Thus his power IS THE SAME. Lord almighty. Lol. Ridiculous. The rest has been addressed multiple times.

You are indeed very cocky.

Not really. But whatever floats your inferiority complex ridden boat.
 

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ashura and indra don't have half hagoromo's power they simply have his genes inheriting certain aspects from him, but to a much lesser degree than Naruto and sasuke. if they had half his literal power then hagoromo would have zero chakra ergo he would die instantly.
 

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Nope. His chakra. End of story. Rinnegan is the power of Indra and Ashura's chakra (Yin and Yang) merged together to form Hagoromo's Rinnegan, which is half of his power. The other half is his Senjutsu. Needing Yang (ashura) and Yin (Indra) doesn't change that fact nor does it mean that you need Hagoromo's Yin and Hagoromo's Yang Chakra to awaken it. You only need his chakra. His son's chakra=/=His own chakra. How many times will I have to explain this nonsense?



Does that mean he needs Ashura's chakra to retain the qualities of his own chakra? Does that mean Ashura's chakra is the direct reason? No and no.



Yes, his chakra. You can only have the Rinnegan if you have his body and eye powers.
Hagoromo's Rinnegan is the power of his Yin-Yang releas.
The Manga is quite clear.
So unless he himself gave Sasuke his Yang (which he didn't), then Sasuke merely gained it from having his Yin chakra, which makes absolutely no sense, it's an absurdity, but it's Kishi we're talking bout right here.
I've gotten tired of this one, how bout we just stop?

Because I was referring to the definition in that statement. Then there's all the other statements where I mention chakra. Lmao. Read. Read before you reply. Getting sick and tired of this shit.




That's exactly what happens unless you want to tell me that transmigration doesn't mean transmigration anymore.


Minato's KCM is yellow too. Guess he's Ashura's reincarnate as well. KCM, BM and BSM are KURAMA'S CHAKRA. Lol. Once again you have no point.

Hopefully you stop bringing all this garbage conjecture here cause it's starting to make you look even more foolish than before.



Doesn't prove anything you are saying.


Lol, I suggest you read the Manga before replying to me. Let me tell you what REALLY happened here. Kaguya ate the fruit, got the chakra, had her kids, and only after that did she fuse with the Shinju to become the Juubi in order to retrieve her chakra from her sons. Lol. She doesn't fuse with it, and then turn into it later. The fusion is the transformation.

No, you said 'soul,' then stated you said chakra, even though you stated soul, I was proving that you didn't.
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Right sure.
KCM, BM, and BSMs chakra appearance is because of the users chakra, not Kurama, who's chakra, may I add, is red.
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The moment Naruto's chakra ran out completly and he was running on Kurama's chakra on its own, it reverted to the normal, old appearance without the yellow chakra.
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Also, the moment he activated KCM, Yamato noted that his chakra was extremely full of life, yet Kurama's previous chakra shrouds never displayed, or was even noted for that ability.

Minato's is very, very different, not the same colour at all, should be noted that he also has yellow chakra.

Naruto's KCM and bijuu mode appearance with Yin Kurama is identical to that of Yang Kurama's.

However, he has only been displayed to develop the typical bijuu cloak, upon a critical chakra state, while exclusively using Yin Kurama's chakra.

Since the will separation process, Naruto has never depicted the cloak when he solely depended on Yang Kurama's chakra and/or his chakra was low.
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Or even when he was given a mixture of Yang and Yin Kurama.
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Only Naruto and Ashura are depicted with the same bright yellow chakra mode.

Kaguya ate the fruit, she was basically already the Shinju, she had yet to transform however, but she was beyond merely being some form of a Jin.



Hagoromo doesn't have the Sharingan.



The rest is irrelevant since the bold is false.


They aren't, because your point is idiotic and incorrect. Lol.



Lol, are you stupid? That's what I've been trying to tell your dumbass this whole time. Don't give Ashura credit for Mokuton when he has jack shit to do with it. Don't say that he's the cause when no other reincarnate has it.

Hagoromo does have the Sharingan actually, or at least, he carries its power and genes, otherwise Indra wouldn't have it, and the Sharingan wouldn't 'evolve' into the Rinnegan.

Kaguya's chakra is the Shinju/Juubi's chakra, Hagoromo inherits her chakra which is the Shinju's chakra, Indra and Ashura inherit Hagoromo's chakra which, yet again, is the Shinju's chakra, slightly weakened compared to Kaguya, but still, yet again, the chakra of the Shinju.

No, my point isn't idiotic, you said if Ashura had something, then so should his Transmigrants.




If you think he changed his mind. Prove it. Until then, don't entertain the notion.



We already saw how he kept himself alive, and it wasn't via more of his cells. If you aren't going to prove your claims I suggest you drop this point.

Smh.

Then I guess Hagoromo is the first user of the Rinnegan as well as the first person to have chakra, after all, it was stated wasn't it? ROFL.

I was meaning right after he died and changed his reality with Izanagi.





Those represent the Yin Seal and the Yang seal of the Six Paths. Sorry buddy. The seals and the chakra are two independant things. Them standing on opposite sides only shows how they are opposite, and how their representive lineages and they themselves represent Yin and Yang. That doesn't mean that Hagoromo only gave them Yang Chakra and Yin Chakra. Only Bijuu chakra works like that. Not human chakra.

Then there's the fact that Naruto uses Yin-Yang Release. So how the hell did he only gain Yang Release? Lol. DB states Hagoromo's power IS Yin-Yang Release. Yet somehow Naruto only got Yang...Lol.


Those represent his power.
DB also states Naruto only has Yang release.

Canon bro.



Thus he doesn't need the actual form to use the Gudo Dama, which is my point. Ashura did NOT have RSM. Lol. Using Gudo Dama isn't proof he has RSM.

I never stated that you need the mode, just the chakra.
Ashura had a chakra mode, its obvious that he had a form of RSM.



Naruto's is different, and why it is different doesn't matter.


-RSM grants 6-9 Gudo Dama.
-Ashura doesn't have that many.

-Gudo Dama being able to be moved doesn't mean shit when the Gudo Dama don't expand into bigger balls.


DB only says Hagoromo's power is Yin-Yang Release. Not that Six Paths Senjutsu is what grants Yin-Yang Release.


Ashura has about six doesn't he? Unless its actually five, there's also the fact that we might not be able to see all of his Gudoudama's.

Never said Six Paths Senjutsu grants Yin-Yang release, merely that the power of Yin-Yang release comes with it, otherwise people wouldn't be running around with TSB.




Lol, are you a fucking idiot? I literally put what I meant in quotations yet you are replying to me with this shit? "EVENLY DIVIDED" Lmao. What a tard.

Wrong. She did come for the chakra she gave to them. I suggest we read the Manga before replying. Hagoromo and Hamura didn't think SHE came for her chakra back. They thought that the Juubi was the Shinju that came for it's chakra. They had no clue it was their mother.

He had less because he used the rest up. Not because he lost the other Bijuu, nor did he ever lose the Bijuu. Once again, what are you talking about?



You said evenly denied and I replyed that it made no sense in the context of your sentence, and I'm the idiot

No, that was merely what Hagoromo and Hamura thought, DB confirms it.
It's canon.



Then why didn't he use any of the other Tailed Beasts?
 
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Yes, his chakra. You can only have the Rinnegan if you have his body and eye powers.
No. Manga says his chakra and that's all you need. Indra and Ashura's chakra, Yin and Yang=Hagoromo's chakra. That doesn't have shit to do with Hagoromo's Yin or Hagoromo's Yang as Hagoromo's Yang and Ashura's Yang are NOT the same thing as their chakra is NOT identical to their fathers.

Hagoromo's Rinnegan is the power of his Yin-Yang releas.
Not once stated. They said "Hagoromo's power" as in his chakra. Period.

The Manga is quite clear.
So unless he himself gave Sasuke his Yang (which he didn't), then Sasuke merely gained it from having his Yin chakra, which makes absolutely no sense, it's an absurdity, but it's Kishi we're talking bout right here.
I've gotten tired of this one, how bout we just stop?

Please read above. Your point makes zero sense. Not sure how many times I have to post the same sacns before you realize NO ONE ever said that you need HAGOROMO's YANG AND YIN CHAKRA TO AWAKEN THE RINNEGAN.


No, you said 'soul,' then stated you said chakra, even though you stated soul, I was proving that you didn't.
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Lol.........Not even going to bother.

Right sure.
KCM, BM, and BSMs chakra appearance is because of the users chakra, not Kurama, who's chakra, may I add, is red.
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Kurama's chakra is red because Naruto didn't have control of it. When you have control over it, it becomes yellow. Minato's chakra cloak is YELLOW. Just like Naruto's. Are you going to tell me that they have the same chakra color, or that they are both Ashura's reincarnates? Lmao. Please drop this point.

The moment Naruto's chakra ran out completly and he was running on Kurama's chakra on its own, it reverted to the normal, old appearance without the yellow chakra.
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Also, the moment he activated KCM, Yamato noted that his chakra was extremely full of life, yet Kurama's previous chakra shrouds never displayed, or was even noted for that ability.

Doesn't prove it's related to Ashura. If it were related to Ashura, then Minato wouldn't have a yellow KCM cloak. End of story.


Minato's is very, very different, not the same colour at all, should be noted that he also has yellow chakra.

Naruto's KCM and bijuu mode appearance with Yin Kurama is identical to that of Yang Kurama's.

However, he has only been displayed to develop the typical bijuu cloak, upon a critical chakra state, while exclusively using Yin Kurama's chakra.

Since the will separation process, Naruto has never depicted the cloak when he solely depended on Yang Kurama's chakra and/or his chakra was low.
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Or even when he was given a mixture of Yang and Yin Kurama.
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Only Naruto and Ashura are depicted with the same bright yellow chakra mode.
Amazing. How far will go with this blatant denial of manga facts before you cut the bullshit?



Same fucking cloak.



Side by side. Same fucking cloak. Don't worm your way out of conceding this argument. The further you go with it, the dumber you look. Now you are trying to tell me that Minato's KCM is a different color than Naruto's despite it being stated and shown to be the same. End of story. Not only do you not have proof of Minato's chakra being yellow, even if it were, then you are basically conceding the dumb point that this is related to Ashura, cause Minato has NO connection with him whatsoever.

Kaguya ate the fruit, she was basically already the Shinju, she had yet to transform however, but she was beyond merely being some form of a Jin.

Because you said so? Once again. Cut the bullshit. Manga states that she became the Juubi by fusing with the Shinju AFTER Hagoromo and Hamura's birth. When you can prove that she was "already the Shinju" or "merged with the Shinju" before that then we can talk.




Hagoromo does have the Sharingan actually, or at least, he carries its power and genes, otherwise Indra wouldn't have it, and the Sharingan wouldn't 'evolve' into the Rinnegan.

Genes? Sure. Does he have it? Obviously not.

Kaguya's chakra is the Shinju/Juubi's chakra, Hagoromo inherits her chakra which is the Shinju's chakra, Indra and Ashura inherit Hagoromo's chakra which, yet again, is the Shinju's chakra, slightly weakened compared to Kaguya, but still, yet again, the chakra of the Shinju.

Kaguya when she gave birth to her sons was NOT the Juubi as the Juubi didn't exist.

No, my point isn't idiotic, you said if Ashura had something, then so should his Transmigrants.

No, I said based on your argument, Ashura's reincarnates should have something if Ashura's chakra granted them abilities like you said it did for Mokuton. Can you please read my posts so I don't have to waste time reading them for you? Shit is ridiculous.


Smh.

Then I guess Hagoromo is the first user of the Rinnegan as well as the first person to have chakra, after all, it was stated wasn't it? ROFL.
Like I said. If you believe Kishi changed his mind on this topic, prove it. Bringing stuff that has jack shit to do with the discussion doesn't prove your point. It makes you look like an even bigger retard than you already do.

I was meaning right after he died and changed his reality with Izanagi.


Why the hell would he need to keep himself alive when he was already living his normal life span? Lmao. Quit reaching kid. Quit reaching.





Those represent his power.
DB also states Naruto only has Yang release.

Canon bro.

DB states that Naruto uses Yin-Yang Release. Manga shows him doing so.

Canon. Databook discrepancies won't change what was shown, and Naruto using Yin-Yang Release was SHOWN.




I never stated that you need the mode, just the chakra.
You said he had RSM. That is false.

Ashura had a chakra mode, its obvious that he had a form of RSM.

He had a chakra Avatar, not a chakra mode. He didn't have RSM. Nothing shows it. Nothing implies it.




Ashura has about six doesn't, unless its actually five, there's also the fact that we might not be able to see all of his Gudoudama's.

He has five, and if he had the black balls we would've seen them behind his back.

Never said Six Paths Senjutsu grants Yin-Yang release, merely that the power of Yin-Yang release comes with it, otherwise people wouldn't be running around with TSB.

Ok then. Doesn't change my point. Hagoromo's chakra is Yin-Yang Release, which is why people with his Senjutsu Chakra can use the Gudo Dama.






You said evenly denied and I replyed that it made no sense in the context of your sentence, and I'm the idiot

And then I corrected myself yet you displayed to everyone how piss poor your reading comprehension is. Me making a typo is nothing compared to you being unable to comprehend a simple sentence. So yes, you are the idiot here.

No, that was merely what Hagoromo and Hamura thought, DB confirms it.
No, they thought that the Shinju was the Juubi and that it came for the chakra that it lost. Nothing ever said that they thought the Juubi was Kaguya who had come for the chakra she lost. Do I have to read the Manga to you again?





Then why didn't he use any of the other Tailed Beasts?

Because Kurama is far superior. How many times will I have to say that before you understand it? Not a hard concept to grasp. You don't use weak abilities when you have stronger ones. Or rather, you don't match a strong ability with a weaker ability. That. Simple.
 

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RSM Naruto with NATURAL ENERGY = Rinnengan Sasuke with BIJUU SUSANOO = Hagoromo's level.

If naruto puts kurama to collect natural energy he is far stronger than ashura. If this is RSM Naruto without the natural energy then he's on ashura's same tier, but wins by feats.

So any ways Naruto > Ashura
 

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No. Manga says his chakra and that's all you need. Indra and Ashura's chakra, Yin and Yang=Hagoromo's chakra. That doesn't have shit to do with Hagoromo's Yin or Hagoromo's Yang as Hagoromo's Yang and Ashura's Yang are NOT the same thing as their chakra is NOT identical to their fathers.


Not once stated. They said "Hagoromo's power" as in his chakra. Period.

Sigh, how long are we going to keep going with this stupid discussion? Rinnegan is formed from Yin and Yang, end of story.



Please read above. Your point makes zero sense. Not sure how many times I have to post the same sacns before you realize NO ONE ever said that you need HAGOROMO's YANG AND YIN CHAKRA TO AWAKEN THE RINNEGAN.



Kurama's chakra is red because Naruto didn't have control of it. When you have control over it, it becomes yellow. Minato's chakra cloak is YELLOW. Just like Naruto's. Are you going to tell me that they have the same chakra color, or that they are both Ashura's reincarnates? Lmao. Please drop this point.



Doesn't prove it's related to Ashura. If it were related to Ashura, then Minato wouldn't have a yellow KCM cloak. End of story.



Amazing. How far will go with this blatant denial of manga facts before you cut the bullshit?



Same fucking cloak.



Side by side. Same fucking cloak. Don't worm your way out of conceding this argument. The further you go with it, the dumber you look. Now you are trying to tell me that Minato's KCM is a different color than Naruto's despite it being stated and shown to be the same. End of story. Not only do you not have proof of Minato's chakra being yellow, even if it were, then you are basically conceding the dumb point that this is related to Ashura, cause Minato has NO connection with him whatsoever.


You need the the bloody ****ing body and eyes of the Sage to have his Rinnegan, end of story brah.


No, Kurama's chakra is red because it's ****ing red, Juubi's chakra is also red.
No, it doesn't become yellow when you have control over it.
Lol, there is no end to your stupidity

KCM Minato cloak's outline is darker than Naruto's is, it's not the same, Minato's avatar is also darker, Minato's not a Transmigrant, Naruto's chakra cloak is the same as Ashura's, and as I said, and showed you, different then Minato's.

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Naruto's cloak is bright yellow with a little orange kind of fire with a more brighter outline then Minato's; whereas Minato's is whitish with a red outline.
It's not Kurama's chakra, otherwise Naruto's cloak would've changed when he lost Yang Kurama and got Yin Kurama instead of staying the same. It's their chakra.

You said he had RSM. That is false.

He had a chakra Avatar, not a chakra mode. He didn't have RSM. Nothing shows it. Nothing implies it.

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Ashura does have a ****ing cloak, stop ignoring it.
Ashura's avatar is also drawn (in manga) the same as Naruto's is, its canon that they have the same bright yellow chakra.



Because you said so? Once again. Cut the bullshit. Manga states that she became the Juubi by fusing with the Shinju AFTER Hagoromo and Hamura's birth. When you can prove that she was "already the Shinju" or "merged with the Shinju" before that then we can talk.

Genes? Sure. Does he have it? Obviously not.

Kaguya when she gave birth to her sons was NOT the Juubi as the Juubi didn't exist.


No, I said based on your argument, Ashura's reincarnates should have something if Ashura's chakra granted them abilities like you said it did for Mokuton. Can you please read my posts so I don't have to waste time reading them for you? Shit is ridiculous.


Like I said. If you believe Kishi changed his mind on this topic, prove it. Bringing stuff that has jack shit to do with the discussion doesn't prove your point. It makes you look like an even bigger retard than you already do.


Why the hell would he need to keep himself alive when he was already living his normal life span? Lmao. Quit reaching kid. Quit reaching.

No, because she was never Jin, yet she had the chakra, and could even fuse with the Shinju.

Yes, he should have a form of it, remember that third eye of his? We still don't know much about it and him.

Sorry, I meant Shinju, and she had its chakra; thus, Hagoromo and Hamura inherited her Shinju chakra.


No, that was your argument, not mine, I merely stated that Hashirama's Mokuton logically comes from Ashura, as does Naruto's yellow chakra, yet it doesn't mean that they will always end up with the same thing.


I don't need to, Hashirama being the only Senju with Mokuton is only to the characters knowledge. Thus, it may not or may be true.


Ashura doesn't grant them abilities, merely his chakra, which, takes different forms in his Transmigrants.

One of the reasons why Madara implanted Hashirama's cells into him, was to help him heal.



DB states that Naruto uses Yin-Yang Release. Manga shows him doing so.

Canon. Databook discrepancies won't change what was shown, and Naruto using Yin-Yang Release was SHOWN.

He has five, and if he had the black balls we would've seen them behind his back.

Ok then. Doesn't change my point. Hagoromo's chakra is Yin-Yang Release, which is why people with his Senjutsu Chakra can use the Gudo Dama.


And then I corrected myself yet you displayed to everyone how piss poor your reading comprehension is. Me making a typo is nothing compared to you being unable to comprehend a simple sentence. So yes, you are the idiot here.


No, they thought that the Shinju was the Juubi and that it came for the chakra that it lost. Nothing ever said that they thought the Juubi was Kaguyawho had come for the chakra she lost. Do I have to read the Manga to you again?


Because Kurama is far superior. How many times will I have to say that before you understand it? Not a hard concept to grasp. You don't use weak abilities when you have stronger ones. Or rather, you don't match a strong ability with a weaker ability. That. Simple.

Sure.

We can't see Ashura clearly enough to say that.

Yes, indeed.

No, I displayed how funny you were. :)
Lol at bold/underlined, when did I ever say that?


Sigh, guess I'll have to post it again.

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'Ever since "humans" were given form, they have fought each other and walked in a world of war. The earth was stained with blood, and as if it were absorbing that blood for nourishment, the Shinju took root in the earth. Eventually the Shinju bore a single fruit, and a certain clan came from another world seeking that fruit: the Otsutsuki clan. Kaguya, leader of the Otsutsuki, ate the fruit and became the progenitor of all chakra, and with her absolute power brought peace to the world in an instant.

After ending the turbulent era, she became known as the Rabbit Goddess and received the blessing of the people, giving birth to twins. But after that, Kaguya would occasionally use harsh means to rule the people as a dictator. The Byakugan, Sharingan, and Infinite Tsukuyomi - the people feared and respected the jutsu Kaguya wielded. Eventually, the "Rabbit Goddess" became known as a demon instead. And then, Kaguya became ruled by her desire to make all chakra her own.

To make all chakra one - Kaguya's desire eventually turned on Hagoromo and Hamura, her own twin sons with whom she had split her chakra. Kaguya formed a plan, and in order to take in all chakra, fused with the Shinju and battled against her twin sons.


The twins, assuming that the Juubi was a transformed Shinju attacking them in order to reclaim the chakra that was taken from it
, faced off against it. And after a fierce battle, they activated Rikudou Chibaku Tensei. They turned it into the moon and sealed it away.
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It's canon, Kaguya merely wanted to have all chakra for herself, and as such she formed a plan, fused with the Shinju and became the Juubi.
Hagoromo and Hamura assumed that the Juubi was a form of the Shinju going on a rampage to reclaim its chakra, when it was merely Kaguya being selfish and greedy because she wanted all chakra to herself.


Kurama far superior to all Bijuu and it? All Nine are almost at the level of the Juubi if not Juubi level. What have you been smoking?
 
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RSM Naruto with NATURAL ENERGY = Rinnengan Sasuke with BIJUU SUSANOO = Hagoromo's level.

If naruto puts kurama to collect natural energy he is far stronger than ashura. If this is RSM Naruto without the natural energy then he's on ashura's same tier, but wins by feats.

So any ways Naruto > Ashura

This is Kaguya Battle Naruto, so yes, he doesn't have the entire world's nature energy.

Yeah, I admitted this was a mismatch, did so pages ago.
 

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Sigh, how long are we going to keep going with this stupid discussion? Rinnegan is formed from Yin and Yang, end of story.

Concession accepted since you are too stupid to form a counter.





You need the the bloody ****ing body and eyes of the Sage to have his Rinnegan, end of story brah.

Concession accepted since you are too stupid to form a counter.

No, Kurama's chakra is red because it's ****ing red, Juubi's chakra is also red.
No, it doesn't become yellow when you have control over it.
Lol, there is no end to your stupidity

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I feel like I'm talking to some retarded ass kid.

KCM Minato cloak's outline is darker than Naruto's is, it's not the same, Minato's avatar is also darker, Minato's not a Transmigrant, Naruto's chakra cloak is the same as Ashura's, and as I said, and showed you, different then Minato's.

His outline is different because he's using Yin Kurama dumb fuck. LMao. That doesn't change the fact that they are the same exact color. Same exact cloak. Stated by Sakura, shown by every color picture you can possibly bring.

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Naruto's cloak is bright yellow with a little orange kind of fire with a more brighter outline then Minato's; whereas Minato's is whitish with a red outline.
It's not Kurama's chakra, otherwise Naruto's cloak would've changed when he lost Yang Kurama and got Yin Kurama instead of staying the same. It's their chakra.

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Once again. Stop being an idiot. Kurama's chakra is what lets them enter that mode. They take the chakra and they use it, yet somehow, you actually have the nerve to try and argue that Kurama's chakra isn't the color that it isn't shown. Lmao, what a retarded ass tool.

Minato and Naruto's cloaks are orange/yellow. Whatever whitish areas you see are present on Naruto too. So I have no idea what the fuck you are trying to prove. Those pictures show that their cloaks are the same color, despite Naruto's chakra being yellow and Minato's chakra not being yellow.

They look like that because of Kurama. Not because of Ashura.

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Ashura does have a ****ing cloak, stop ignoring it.
Ashura's avatar is also drawn (in manga) the same as Naruto's is, its canon that they have the same bright yellow chakra.

No the **** he doesn't. Lmao.

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Where are the outlines of the chakra mode? Where are his Gudo Dama? Lmao. You really are a special kind of idiot.

That doesn't change the ****ing fact that it doesn't have shit to do with them being reincarnates, otherwise Minato wouldn't have a KCM cloak that looks like Naruto's.




No, because she was never Jin, yet she had the chakra, and could even fuse with the Shinju.

But she didn't. Not until after this. So end of story.

Yes, he should have a form of it, remember that third eye of his? We still don't know much about it and him.

When you have the proof then we can talk. I'm getting tired of your baseless assumptions.

Sorry, I meant Shinju, and she had its chakra; thus, Hagoromo and Hamura inherited her Shinju chakra.

Which doesn't prove anything.

No, that was your argument, not mine, I merely stated that Hashirama's Mokuton logically comes from Ashura, as does Naruto's yellow chakra, yet it doesn't mean that they will always end up with the same thing.

Which is based off of nothing of course.


I don't need to, Hashirama being the only Senju with Mokuton is only to the characters knowledge. Thus, it may not or may be true.

It's the only knowledge we have

Ashura doesn't grant them abilities, merely his chakra, which, takes different forms in his Transmigrants.

Already knew this retard. Lmao.

One of the reasons why Madara implanted Hashirama's cells into him, was to help him heal.

Which he did, and when you can get me proof he needed more to heal, then we can talk.


Sure.

We can't see Ashura clearly enough to say that.

Yes we can. Read. Above.

Yes, indeed.

No, I displayed how funny you were. :)
Lol at bold/underlined, when did I ever say that?

I'm merely telling you what it isn't.

Sigh, guess I'll have to post it again.

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'Ever since "humans" were given form, they have fought each other and walked in a world of war. The earth was stained with blood, and as if it were absorbing that blood for nourishment, the Shinju took root in the earth. Eventually the Shinju bore a single fruit, and a certain clan came from another world seeking that fruit: the Otsutsuki clan. Kaguya, leader of the Otsutsuki, ate the fruit and became the progenitor of all chakra, and with her absolute power brought peace to the world in an instant.

After ending the turbulent era, she became known as the Rabbit Goddess and received the blessing of the people, giving birth to twins. But after that, Kaguya would occasionally use harsh means to rule the people as a dictator. The Byakugan, Sharingan, and Infinite Tsukuyomi - the people feared and respected the jutsu Kaguya wielded. Eventually, the "Rabbit Goddess" became known as a demon instead. And then, Kaguya became ruled by her desire to make all chakra her own.

To make all chakra one - Kaguya's desire eventually turned on Hagoromo and Hamura, her own twin sons with whom she had split her chakra. Kaguya formed a plan, and in order to take in all chakra, fused with the Shinju and battled against her twin sons.


The twins, assuming that the Juubi was a transformed Shinju attacking them in order to reclaim the chakra that was taken from it
, faced off against it. And after a fierce battle, they activated Rikudou Chibaku Tensei. They turned it into the moon and sealed it away.
'


It's canon, Kaguya merely wanted to have all chakra for herself, and as such she formed a plan, fused with the Shinju and became the Juubi.
Hagoromo and Hamura assumed that the Juubi was a form of the Shinju going on a rampage to reclaim its chakra, when it was merely Kaguya being selfish and greedy because she wanted all chakra to herself.

Not even gonna waste my time trying to teach you how to read. When you can prove Hagoromo and Hamura inherited half of their mother's chakra each then we can continue this point.


Kurama far superior to all Bijuu and it? All Nine are almost at the level of the Juubi if not Juubi level. What have you been smoking?

And once again, Lord of Akatsuki displays his stupidity. All Nine MERGED TOGETHER equal the Juubi. Not the separated fragments of 8 Bijuu along with Kurama. Lmao, retard. I cannot even begin to express in words how stupid you've made yourself look. Not sure who's worse, you or unorthodox. You people just don't stop with the BS. Lmao, I regret plus repping you now.
 

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Concession accepted since you are too stupid to form a counter.

Concession accepted since you are too stupid to form a counter.


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I feel like I'm talking to some retarded ass kid.

His outline is different because he's using Yin Kurama dumb fuck. LMao. That doesn't change the fact that they are the same exact color. Same exact cloak. Stated by Sakura, shown by every color picture you can possibly bring.

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Once again. Stop being an idiot. Kurama's chakra is what lets them enter that mode. They take the chakra and they use it, yet somehow, you actually have the nerve to try and argue that Kurama's chakra isn't the color that it isn't shown. Lmao, what a retarded ass tool.

Minato and Naruto's cloaks are orange/yellow. Whatever whitish areas you see are present on Naruto too. So I have no idea what the fuck you are trying to prove. Those pictures show that their cloaks are the same color, despite Naruto's chakra being yellow and Minato's chakra not being yellow.

They look like that because of Kurama. Not because of Ashura.

There was no concession there. Edit: Done with this shit (on my part).

None there either. Edit: Done with this shit, no more coming from me.

'Sigh,' that fan-art colours Naruto's cloak wrongly and it still looks completely different from Minato's in chakra.
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Are you persistently stupid? Edit: So am I.

Naruto's colouring stayed the exact same even when he lost Yang Kurama and gained Yin Kurama; thus, you have no argument, as it's fallen into shambles.
Yes, they have the same power, because they both have Kurama, doesn't mean it's Kurama's chakra that is yellow, especially since its red.

The modes are activated through their's and Kurama's chakra. Remember, Naruto handed out Yang Kurama's chakra to the alliance without its will and it was red.
Look at the difference in colouring, Minato's is more of a bright whitish sort of colour then Naruto's with a red outline, Naruto's is a bright orangey yellow that is like fire with less white in it, you'd have to be colour blind not to see it.
Bloody ****ing hell, there really isn't an end to your idiocy is there?

No, Minato's is yellow because his chakra is obviously yellow. Naruto's is yellow because his is yellow, Naruto's yellow chakra comes from Ashura because they are coloured the same in manga.
Ashura and Naruto have the same depiction for their chakra mode and avatar.





No the **** he doesn't. Lmao.

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Where are the outlines of the chakra mode? Where are his Gudo Dama? Lmao. You really are a special kind of idiot.

That doesn't change the ****ing fact that it doesn't have shit to do with them being reincarnates, otherwise Minato wouldn't have a KCM cloak that looks like Naruto's.

Lol what?
He does have a ****ing chakra mode, never even mentioned RSM, I did accidentally quote it though. He has Six Paths Senjutsu, deal with it. Most likely he yet again, has a different variation of the Six Paths Senjutsu that is similar to RSM.
He had a chakra Avatar, not a chakra mode.
if he had the black balls we would've seen them behind his back.

Oh, dear god. Did I read that right?
Then I guess Hagoromo doesn't have Gudoudama because they're not behind his back ROFL.
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His Gudoudama? We saw that in his avatar mode, they were enlarged for reasons unknown (and you can change the shape of the Gudoudama's so no, don't use that as an option to say he didn't have them outside of the avatar.)

Outlines? Manga doesn't draw chakra modes with an outline at the shoulder or around the very top of the back, nor does it have outlines of around their form.
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Ashura's chakra mode is drawn the same as both Naruto's and Minato's, just that his is the same colour as Naruto's whereas Minato's is not.




But she didn't. Not until after this. So end of story.



When you have the proof then we can talk. I'm getting tired of your baseless assumptions.

Which doesn't prove anything.

Which is based off of nothing of course.

It's the only knowledge we have

Already knew this retard. Lmao.

Which he did, and when you can get me proof he needed more to heal, then we can talk.

Yes we can. Read. Above.

Yes, indeed.

I'm merely telling you what it isn't.

Not even gonna waste my time trying to teach you how to read. When you can prove Hagoromo and Hamura inherited half of their mother's chakra each then we can continue this point.

Whatever. Edit: Done with that bs from me (please accept my concession).

Baseless assumptions? It's a logical conclusion, you made same before bro, guess I can say your a load of baseless shit now with double standards. Edit: Done with this too.

Hagoromo carries the genes of Sharingan in him, the Rinnegan and Sharingan are connected, Sharingan evolves into Rinnegan. See the connection here?

Indeed, and that knowledge can be called into question, it's shaky at best.

I'm done with that shit, ****.

Nope. Edit: Done with that bs from me.


Nope. Edit: Done with that bs from me.

Right Lol. Edit: Done with that bs from me.



Lol what? Can't you even read? I wasn't even talking about Hagoromo and Hamura being half of Kaguya, I said that that particular discussion was over remember?
This, this is what I was replying to.

No, they thought that the Shinju was the Juubi and that it came for the chakra that it lost. Nothing ever said that they thought the Juubi was Kaguya who had come for the chakra she lost. Do I have to read the Manga to you again?

And I replayed with.
'Ever since "humans" were given form, they have fought each other and walked in a world of war. The earth was stained with blood, and as if it were absorbing that blood for nourishment, the Shinju took root in the earth. Eventually the Shinju bore a single fruit, and a certain clan came from another world seeking that fruit: the Otsutsuki clan. Kaguya, leader of the Otsutsuki, ate the fruit and became the progenitor of all chakra, and with her absolute power brought peace to the world in an instant.

After ending the turbulent era, she became known as the Rabbit Goddess and received the blessing of the people, giving birth to twins. But after that, Kaguya would occasionally use harsh means to rule the people as a dictator. The Byakugan, Sharingan, and Infinite Tsukuyomi - the people feared and respected the jutsu Kaguya wielded. Eventually, the "Rabbit Goddess" became known as a demon instead. And then, Kaguya became ruled by her desire to make all chakra her own.

To make all chakra one - Kaguya's desire eventually turned on Hagoromo and Hamura, her own twin sons with whom she had split her chakra. Kaguya formed a plan, and in order to take in all chakra, fused with the Shinju and battled against her twin sons.

The twins, assuming that the Juubi was a transformed Shinju attacking them in order to reclaim the chakra that was taken from it, faced off against i
t. And after a fierce battle, they activated Rikudou Chibaku Tensei. They turned it into the moon and sealed it away.'

It's canon, Kaguya merely wanted to have all chakra for herself, and as such she formed a plan, fused with the Shinju and became the Juubi.
Hagoromo and Hamura assumed that the Juubi was a form of the Shinju going on a rampage to reclaim its chakra, when it was merely Kaguya being selfish and greedy because she wanted all chakra to herself.

Learn to read.






And once again, Lord of Akatsuki displays his stupidity. All Nine MERGED TOGETHER equal the Juubi. Not the separated fragments of 8 Bijuu along with Kurama. Lmao, retard. I cannot even begin to express in words how stupid you've made yourself look. Not sure who's worse, you or unorthodox. You people just don't stop with the BS. Lmao, I regret plus repping you now.

I said that all nine bijuu fragments and Kurama was near the Juubi's level, not on its level, learn comprehension for ****s sake.
Unorthodox is a lot worse then me, dude can't read or write right.
You shouldn't regret repping someone for a great post just because you don't agree with them in another thread.
We've helped each other out a lot in the past, and I've always considered you as one of the best debaters on the NB, which is why I'm surprised at you in this thread.
I usually agree with you on almost all accounts, but this thread has gotten out of hand, seriously, I haven't been debating well at all, and I admit it. I think these last few have been okay compared to the previous ones though, especially since I'm right on at least two accounts (Naruto's chakra mode and Kaguya).
Most of the rest is shit, there, make you happy?
 
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'Sigh,' that fan-art colours Naruto's cloak wrongly and it still looks completely different from Minato's in chakra.
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Lmao, what a joke. I can't even begin to explain how much of a fool you are



That isn't fanart. Kid. It's the same color. The only difference is that Naruto and Minato have different colors outlining their chakra form. Doesn't change the fact that they are the same ****ing color. You are merely lying about what is being shown now, and it's getting pretty pathetic.

Are you persistently stupid? Edit: So am I.

Retarded ass clown.

Naruto's colouring stayed the exact same even when he lost Yang Kurama and gained Yin Kurama; thus, you have no argument, as it's fallen into shambles.

Yet Minato's cloak is still yellow, meaning Ashura has jack shit to do with this.
Yes, they have the same power, because they both have Kurama, doesn't mean it's Kurama's chakra that is yellow, especially since its red.

Minato's Rasengan have always shown to be blue in the Manga Covers. His Chakra is blue. Not yellow. Naruto's Rasengan has been pictured to be yellow in the Manga, because his charka is yellow.

The modes are activated through their's and Kurama's chakra. Remember, Naruto handed out Yang Kurama's chakra to the alliance without its will and it was red.
Look at the difference in colouring, Minato's is more of a bright whitish sort of colour then Naruto's with a red outline, Naruto's is a bright orangey yellow that is like fire with less white in it, you'd have to be colour blind not to see it.
Bloody ****ing hell, there really isn't an end to your idiocy is there?

It's yellow. That simple. The outlines aren't going to change the fact that the cloak is fucking yellow.

No, Minato's is yellow because his chakra is obviously yellow. Naruto's is yellow because his is yellow, Naruto's yellow chakra comes from Ashura because they are coloured the same in manga.
Ashura and Naruto have the same depiction for their chakra mode and avatar.

Thus Naruto's chakra being yellow isn't proof that it comes from Ashura, since his fucking father has the same fucking color. Lmao. How stupid can you get?




Lol what?
He does have a ****ing chakra mode,

No, he doesn't you moron. Already posted a scan that shows no indication of a chakra mode.


never even mentioned RSM, I did accidentally quote it though. He has Six Paths Senjutsu, deal with it. Most likely he yet again, has a different variation of the Six Paths Senjutsu that is similar to RSM.

Don't lie stupid kid. Don't lie.

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Then there's the fact that if you didn't have your head up your ass this whole debate, you'd know that I never said he didn't have the senjutsu. I only said he didn't have any mode. Read dumb fuck. Read.


Oh, dear god. Did I read that right?
Then I guess Hagoromo doesn't have Gudoudama because they're not behind his back ROFL.
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His Gudoudama? We saw that in his avatar mode, they were enlarged for reasons unknown (and you can change the shape of the Gudoudama's so no, don't use that as an option to say he didn't have them outside of the avatar.)

Are you an idiot? His are right under him. Ashura's are NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. He doesn't have the 6-9 Gudo Dama nor does he have the staff so he doesn't have RSM. That simple. You can change the SHAPE of the Gudo Dama and extend them. Since when the hell could you expand it into a bigger ball? Lmao. Never. RSM comes with 9 or 7 Gudo Dama, can't remember which one. Ashura has neither.

Outlines? Manga doesn't draw chakra modes with an outline at the shoulder or around the very top of the back, nor does it have outlines of around their form.
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None of this shit is present. Ashura is shown with his regular clothing. He has no chakra mode. There is no panel of him in a chakra mode, there is no statement that says he has a chakra




Baseless assumptions? It's a logical conclusion, you made same before bro, guess I can say your a load of baseless shit now with double standards. Edit: Done with this too.
You have no logical conclusion, nor have you presented evidence. How many times am I going to have to teach your idiotic ass what "EVIDENCE" is. Evidence isn't your shitty interpretation. Hagoromo has a third eye cause "I think so" isn't an argument. Do you see him with a third eye? NO. End. Of. STORY.

Hagoromo carries the genes of Sharingan in him, the Rinnegan and Sharingan are connected, Sharingan evolves into Rinnegan. See the connection here?

Does he have the Sharingan? Yes or No? Obviously not. So he doesn't have it. Having the genes for the Sharingan doesn't mean you have the Sharingan. Already stated this in my last post, but once again, you show your inability to read and reply with some idiotic bullshit.
Indeed, and that knowledge can be called into question, it's shaky at best.
No, it can't. No evidence lets it be called into question. Your theory isn't evidence. Pleas learn the difference.

I'm done with that shit, ****.
Lol what? Can't you even read? I wasn't even talking about Hagoromo and Hamura being half of Kaguya, I said that that particular discussion was over remember?
This, this is what I was replying to.



And I replayed with.


Learn to read.

And that all branched off from the bold. The bold was the original argument. Like I said. I'm not wasting time on something when it doesn't even prove your original point. Learn how to debate.





I said that all nine bijuu fragments and Kurama was near the Juubi's level, not on its level, learn comprehension for ****s sake.
And you are still wrong. You still sound like a fool, cause that is them separated, not them merged together. Learn how to read the manga for ****s sake. Shit is getting ridiculous.

Unorthodox is a lot worse then me, dude can't read or write right.

1. Not really.

2. Bold is ironic.

You shouldn't regret repping someone for a great post just because you don't agree with them in another thread.
I regret repping you because I can't neg your dumbass now. Lmao.


We've helped each other out a lot in the past, and I've always considered you as one of the best debaters on the NB, which is why I'm surprised at you in this thread.
I usually agree with you on almost all accounts, but this thread has gotten out of hand, seriously, I haven't been debating well at all, and I admit it. I think these last few have been okay compared to the previous ones though, especially since I'm right on at least two accounts (Naruto's chakra mode and Kaguya).
Most of the rest is shit, there, make you happy?

You aren't right on Naruto's chakra mode, nor are you right about Kaguya. The rest is all I care about, so don't expect another reply. This nonsense has dragged on way too long. There shouldn't have to be a full blown argument when the "argument" is literally you ignoring Manga fact the whole time.
 

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Lmao, what a joke. I can't even begin to explain how much of a fool you are



That isn't fanart. Kid. It's the same color. The only difference is that Naruto and Minato have different colors outlining their chakra form. Doesn't change the fact that they are the same ****ing color. You are merely lying about what is being shown now, and it's getting pretty pathetic.

That colour art had Naruto's outline too red, it is more orangey then anything.
No, Minato and Naruto not only have different outlines, but the inside part is completely different too.
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Can't you see the difference?

Minato's avatar is also yet again, different to Naruto's avatar, Naruto's avatar was coloured the same even when he had Yin Kurama, these facts hurt your argument quite nicely.
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Yet Minato's cloak is still yellow, meaning Ashura has jack shit to do with this.


Minato's Rasengan have always shown to be blue in the Manga Covers. His Chakra is blue. Not yellow. Naruto's Rasengan has been pictured to be yellow in the Manga, because his charka is yellow.


It's yellow. That simple. The outlines aren't going to change the fact that the cloak is fucking yellow.


Thus Naruto's chakra being yellow isn't proof that it comes from Ashura, since his fucking father has the same fucking color. Lmao. How stupid can you get?


No, he doesn't you moron. Already posted a scan that shows no indication of a chakra mode.


Don't lie stupid kid. Don't lie.

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Then there's the fact that if you didn't have your head up your ass this whole debate, you'd know that I never said he didn't have the senjutsu. I only said he didn't have any mode. Read dumb fuck. Read.

Minato's is a different kind of yellow, whereas Naruto and Ashura have the same type of yellow.

Naruto's Rasengan has been coloured blue by Kishi before too.

Both of their's being yellow doesn't change the fact that they both have different kinds of yellow. There's a reason why Minato was the 'Yellow Flash,' his flash's even show yellow chakra.

Yeah he clearly had a mode here.
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You can't see any outlines because your just seeing the back of him, his chakra is clearly fiery like Naruto's and Minato's are.







Are you an idiot? His are right under him. Ashura's are NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. He doesn't have the 6-9 Gudo Dama nor does he have the staff so he doesn't have RSM. That simple. You can change the SHAPE of the Gudo Dama and extend them. Since when the hell could you expand it into a bigger ball? Lmao. Never. RSM comes with 9 or 7 Gudo Dama, can't remember which one. Ashura has neither.


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None of this shit is present. Ashura is shown with his regular clothing. He has no chakra mode. There is no panel of him in a chakra mode, there is no statement that says he has a chakra

No, the argument (from you) was that he doesn't have Gudoudama because they aren't hovering behind his back, which is why I showed Hagoromo's not being behind his back either, jeez, talk about blatant ignorance.
First you said six now your saying seven?

Proof that Gudoudama can't be expanded?


You have no logical conclusion, nor have you presented evidence. How many times am I going to have to teach your idiotic ass what "EVIDENCE" is. Evidence isn't your shitty interpretation. Hagoromo has a third eye cause "I think so" isn't an argument. Do you see him with a third eye? NO. End. Of. STORY.

Does he have the Sharingan? Yes or No? Obviously not. So he doesn't have it. Having the genes for the Sharingan doesn't mean you have the Sharingan. Already stated this in my last post, but once again, you show your inability to read and reply with some idiotic bullshit.

No, it can't. No evidence lets it be called into question. Your theory isn't evidence. Pleas learn the difference.

I'm done with that shit, ****.


I said I was done with that, but seriously, Hagoromo does have a third eye.
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It's right on his forehead.

He carries the genes, and most likely the powers of the Sharingan, he most likely doesn't physically have it.



And that all branched off from the bold. The bold was the original argument. Like I said. I'm not wasting time on something when it doesn't even prove your original point. Learn how to debate.

The bold was indeed part of the original argument, but we both agreed that it was over.


And you are still wrong. You still sound like a fool, cause that is them separated, not them merged together. Learn how to read the manga for ****s sake. Shit is getting ridiculous.

1. Not really.

2. Bold is ironic.


I regret repping you because I can't neg your dumbass now. Lmao.


You aren't right on Naruto's chakra mode, nor are you right about Kaguya. The rest is all I care about, so don't expect another reply. This nonsense has dragged on way too long. There shouldn't have to be a full blown argument when the "argument" is literally you ignoring Manga fact the whole time.


I said nearly on Juubi level, bloody ****ing hell, talk about ignoreing things just because you want to tell me how much of a dumbass I am.

1. Whatever.

2. Sorry dude, but I can read.


That's harsh.

Yeah I am, I am also right about Kaguya going after chakra because she wanted it all for herself, I'm right that Hagoromo merely assumed that she as the Juubi was after the chakra it lost, the DB confirms it.

Wasn't even referring to the Kaguya was split in half shit.


So I guess from now on your going to severely dislike me huh? Guess I can expect no more reps from you now matter how good my posts are in different threads.
 
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So I guess from now on your going to severely dislike me huh? Guess I can expect no more reps from you now matter how good my posts are in different threads.

Never said any of that. Lol
 
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