[VS] Zoro vs Vergo

[A v i]

And I suppose Sanji would too, yeah?

Y'know... considering he's like Zoro's main rival and all

The word rivalry isn't limited to fighters. Sanji and Zoro are more like brothers who fights over every little thing. They have brotherly rivalry b/w them. Zoro never tried to prove that his strength is greater than that of Sanji and same goes for Sanji so I don't even get how their funny rivalry can be used as an argument to say that Sanji's is almost equal to Zoro.

Y'know... whether he cuts or not makes no difference, a fight is a fight

The fact Sanji doesn't use swords is not what makes him weaker than Zoro, he's less durable, he can deal similar amounts of damage as Zoro

So logically if Zoro mid diffs, Sanji should too... but...

Sanji's ability to take damage is nowhere near that of Zoro which was clearly proved at TB.If Zoro mid difs then so can Sanji is the most clueless logic ever.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

The word rivalry isn't limited to fighters. Sanji and Zoro are more like brothers who fights over every little thing. They have brotherly rivalry b/w them. Zoro never tried to prove that his strength is greater than that of Sanji and same goes for Sanji so I don't even get how their funny rivalry can be used as an argument to say that Sanji's is almost equal to Zoro.



Sanji's ability to take damage is nowhere near that of Zoro which was clearly proved at TB.If Zoro mid difs then so can Sanji is the most clueless logic ever.

That's what I'm saying. He can't take as much damage as Zoro, but in a mid diff fight he wouldn't take much damage anyway, so clearly if Zoro mid diffs (without much damage as is the usual) then so should Sanji

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[A v i]

That's what I'm saying. He can't take as much damage as Zoro, but in a mid diff fight he wouldn't take much damage anyway, so clearly if Zoro mid diffs (without much damage as is the usual) then so should Sanji

That's if Sanji's strength is >/= that of Zoro which is not true. I don't get how someone weaker than Zoro mid dif's someone that can push Zoro to mid dif. There is no logic behind it.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Y'know... whether he cuts or not makes no difference, a fight is a fight

The fact Sanji doesn't use swords is not what makes him weaker than Zoro, he's less durable, he can deal similar amounts of damage as Zoro

So logically if Zoro mid diffs, Sanji should too... but...

That's an extremely black and white way of looking at matches in general. Certain people's abilities are bound to favour going up against certain opponents than others. For example, someone with a water based Devil Fruit would be better going up against Crocodile than someone who fights with close combat. That does not necessarily mean the water fruit user is stronger than the close combat fighter.

I simply disagree, I think what puts Zoro above Sanji is that he has a chance of cutting off his main weapon, his legs, as he uses them in close combat. I could be wrong however, for all I know Sanji could take Zoro's swords on with his legs, but that's a discussion for another thread.

Imo, Sanji could push Vergo to high diff, but ultimately lose. He has no way of cutting through Vergo's CoA, Zoro does.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

That's what I'm saying. He can't take as much damage as Zoro, but in a mid diff fight he wouldn't take much damage anyway, so clearly if Zoro mid diffs (without much damage as is the usual) then so should Sanji

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So when Zoro defeats Mihawk Sanji could too?

 

[-Akuma-]

Why exactly they're inextricably linked to each other? Because you think so? Or that you want them to be like that?



Zoro has yet to go all out. He fought someone who's nowhere near his level so he didn't really bring forth his full power. At best Pica to Zoro is like Hody to Luffy.






Did he? I don't really remember that.



It would have been cool if you actually didn't forgot the fact that Luffy's opponents are always >>>>> Luffy during respective arcs.

Devil fruit users becomes fodders if their powers becomes useless = Manga fact.
Logia's are best examples of people getting super weakened after losing their means to fight = Manga fact.
Except for Lucci, all of Luffy's opponents were defeated by using their weakness as an advantage = Fact.

All of Zoro's opponents are significantly stronger than that of Sanji and I don't remember Zoro or Sanji using natural weakness of their opponents to win the battles like Luffy which is why no opponent of Luffy apart from Lucci can be used as a testament of his strength.

Even Kaku wasn't that far away from Lucci but the gap b/w Lucci and Kaku was bigger than the gap b/w Kaku and Jabra. Jabra lost at mid dif where as Kaku pushed Zoro who's supposed be stronger than Sanji to high dif which explains the difference in their strength. Kaku's doriki can't be used to measure his strength as he's a swordsman unlike Lucci or Jabra who uses hand to hand combat.

Zoro has always stressed that he wanted Luffy at a certain level of strength or he should step down, it's obvious he wants the captain as strongest.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

That's if Sanji's strength is >/= that of Zoro which is not true. I don't get how someone weaker than Zoro mid dif's someone that can push Zoro to mid dif. There is no logic behind it.

What? Zoro and Sanji are equal in every respect except speed (Sanji>Zoro) and durability (Zoro>Sanji). Their attack power is the same. Unless Vergo does a lot of damage to an opponent, he won't be mid-diffed. Since Sanji is so close to Zoro in power, and lost to Vergo (albeit injured the entire time), then surely Zoro too would not mid diff. Afterall, the two are extremely close in terms of power (Zoro and Sanji)

That's an extremely black and white way of looking at matches in general. Certain people's abilities are bound to favour going up against certain opponents than others. For example, someone with a water based Devil Fruit would be better going up against Crocodile than someone who fights with close combat. That does not necessarily mean the water fruit user is stronger than the close combat fighter.

I simply disagree, I think what puts Zoro above Sanji is that he has a chance of cutting off his main weapon, his legs, as he uses them in close combat. I could be wrong however, for all I know Sanji could take Zoro's swords on with his legs, but that's a discussion for another thread.

Imo, Sanji could push Vergo to high diff, but ultimately lose. He has no way of cutting through Vergo's CoA, Zoro does.

A water fruit cannot exist. That's the reason why we have Fishman Karate.

White fire > Steels melting point by over 2000 degrees C. So yes, Sanji can take on Zoro's swords quite easily in close combat.

So you think Zoro can mid diff Sanji, the man that has been shown time and time again to be only just below Zoro in terms of fighting capabilities?

So when Zoro defeats Mihawk Sanji could too?

Zoro wouldn't defeat Mihawk easily, and would probably be in a similar state to how he was when he sacrificed himself for Luffy on Punk Hazard. Sanji would probably tie with Mihawk at that point.

 

[Bogard]

Zoro can low-mid diff Sanji and high diff Vergo if we go by current feats. If Sanji can or cannot defeat Vergo is irrelevant. He'd have to prove it via future feats(or not?). There i said it

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

What? Zoro and Sanji are equal in every respect except speed (Sanji>Zoro) and durability (Zoro>Sanji). Their attack power is the same. Unless Vergo does a lot of damage to an opponent, he won't be mid-diffed. Since Sanji is so close to Zoro in power, and lost to Vergo (albeit injured the entire time), then surely Zoro too would not mid diff. Afterall, the two are extremely close in terms of power (Zoro and Sanji)


A water fruit cannot exist. That's the reason why we have Fishman Karate.

White fire > Steels melting point by over 2000 degrees C. So yes, Sanji can take on Zoro's swords quite easily in close combat.

So you think Zoro can mid diff Sanji, the man that has been shown time and time again to be only just below Zoro in terms of fighting capabilities?


Zoro wouldn't defeat Mihawk easily, and would probably be in a similar state to how he was when he sacrificed himself for Luffy on Punk Hazard. Sanji would probably tie with Mihawk at that point.

Zoro can use CoA on his swords to stop them from melting.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Zoro can low-mid diff Sanji and high diff Vergo if we go by current feats. If Sanji can or cannot defeat Vergo is irrelevant. He'd have to prove it via future feats(or not?). There i said it

By feats... yeah, and what? Were you saying the same before Zoro fought Pica? Just wait until Sanji actually shows up before you go on about feats. Zoro's had his turn.

Zoro can use CoA on his swords to stop them from melting.

Sanji can use CoA on his Diable Jambe/Hells memories to counteract Zoro's Haki

 

[Bogard]

By feats... yeah, and what? Were you saying the same before Zoro fought Pica? Just wait until Sanji actually shows up before you go on about feats. Zoro's had his turn.

And what is your guarantee that he'd ever have those feats? So until proven otherwise, better not try to involve Sanji in a discussion totally unrelated to him. Until proven otherwise, Zoro can defeat Vergo when Sanji can't

Zoro can use CoA on his swords to stop them from melting.

He can't melt those swords to begin with. He is making up a bs statement due to desperation/lack of knowledge. Sanji produces red fire burning temperature, something that highest degree of temperatur is limited to 600 grad C(roughly). Steel melting point is roughly 1500 grad C

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

By feats... yeah, and what? Were you saying the same before Zoro fought Pica? Just wait until Sanji actually shows up before you go on about feats. Zoro's had his turn.



Sanji can use CoA on his Diable Jambe/Hells memories to counteract Zoro's Haki

Lmao Sanji's COA can't counter Zoro's COA since Zoro's is superior. That Sanji wank.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lmao Sanji's COA can't counter Zoro's COA since Zoro's is superior. That Sanji wank.

There is literally no irrefutable proof of this.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

And what is your guarantee that he'd ever have those feats? So until proven otherwise, better not try to involve Sanji in a discussion totally unrelated to him. Until proven otherwise, Zoro can defeat Vergo when Sanji can't

We've not seen either Zoro or Sanji max out. So disregarding feats is more logical than using feats that don't reflect either characters strength.

I'm involving Sanji because he actually fought Vergo, and he's close in terms of power to Zoro

He can't melt those swords to begin with. He is making up a bs statement due to desperation/lack of knowledge. Sanji produces red fire burning temperature, something that highest degree of temperatur is limited to 600 grad C(roughly). Steel melting point is roughly 1500 grad C

Oh? What?

And White fire burns at minimum 3.6k Degrees C. And can surpass the temperatures of Magma (which max out at around 8k Degrees C). Lack of knowledge? That accusation is just empty words.

May I just ask you what colour this is?

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The fact he roasts the flesh (even under water) supports this, as it's done in minimal time. On top of that, the fact he's even got flames round his leg proves it isn't the regular household-yellow-red flames, as they simply would be put out or never ignite whilst under water

Lmao Sanji's COA can't counter Zoro's COA since Zoro's is superior. That Sanji wank.

And you base that statement on what?

We know Zoro's CoA> Sanji's but we also know Sanji's CoO> Zoro's. The extent to which their CoA differ in strength is an unknown, so how can you say Sanji's CoA wouldn't help at all?

This is why I'm saying Vergo = Zoro > (only just) Sanji

 

[Bogard]

Sanji's fire is red. Don't use anime related scene and make your argument around it considering the amount of time anime has been wrong in this manga

Sanji's fire is red. I already showed you the page where Jyabura mentioned it himself, yet you still go around spouting out this bs, ignoring the actual statement, but i'd add something else, a drawing made by Oda himself, in the actual manga(color spread)

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Sanji's fire is red. There is no white thing in it

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Sanji's fire is red. Don't use anime related scene and make your argument around it considering the amount of time anime has been wrong in this manga

Sanji's fire is red. I already showed you the page where Jyabura mentioned it himself, yet you still go around spouting out this bs, ignoring the actual statement, but i'd add something else, a drawing made by Oda himself, in the actual manga(color spread)

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Sanji's fire is red. There is no white thing in it

Graduation of flame temperature means that the further away the flame from the source, the colder and more orange it gets. That picture is tiny, but from what I can tell it's not showing his whole DJL.

 

[-Akuma-]

Zoro can low-mid diff Sanji and high diff Vergo if we go by current feats. If Sanji can or cannot defeat Vergo is irrelevant. He'd have to prove it via future feats(or not?). There i said it

Current Luffy also low-med difs Zoro with current feats. The gap between the M3 is quite shocking now.

 

[Bogard]

Current Luffy also low-med difs Zoro with current feats.

I'd say mid difficulty to be fair

 

[-Akuma-]

I'd say mid difficulty to be fair

Hmm I doubt it, before G4 I would high-dif but G4 itself is a really big power boost, though I doubt the gap will stay this big. When all is said and done and both Luffy and Zoro go all out it will mostly like key be a high-dif win for Luffy.

 

[Hexuze]

lol it's unfair to match Zoro & Sanji up against Luffy. We still have to see what Sanji & Zoro learned over a 2 year TS. It should be Luffy high diffs Zoro and Zoro high diffs Sanji. A broken unbalanced M3 where one person can potentially low diff. one another sounds broken.