How is 'Rinnegan Sasuke/RSM Naruto vs DMS Kakashi' even debatable??

[Eng nawashi]

Kakashi beats rinningan sasuke w/o the biju mid diff ,RSM Naruto beats kakashi thanks to his clones.without the clones he loses.

 

[Oblivionx]

DMS kakashi with rikudo chakra is OP...! i think he can match sasuke but naruto would beat him high diff...!

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Kakashi was able to blitz Kaguya, something that Sasuke couldn't do, Kakashi should be able to defeat Sasuke High diff, Kakashi should lose to Naruto after a good fight.

 

[King Of Pop]

Because Its not. Sasuke mid difs him, low dif for Naruto

 

[Nagato The Sage]

DMS Kakashi is pretty much at the bottom of God Tier, even 2R Mortal Madara wrecks him

 

[maniaoqan]

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Insert your faves. He can attack you while phases, there is no need for PS.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Lol no he can't beat Naruto or Sasuke.

DMS Kakashi can't react to

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So Sasuke can blitz right off the bat if they're close, and DMS Kakashi doesn't have the durability RSM Naruto does too tank it.

If both Sasuke & Kakashi have PS up he can teleport out of the way of incoming Kamui Shurikens,

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Since Sasuke's PS has the inferior long range attacks compared to Kakashi's he can wait it out, since Kakashi's rikodou chakra will run out fast (1 chapter) also Sasuke is faster. The kamui shurikens hit Kaguya when she was unstable.

After busting Kakashi's PS, Kakashi won't be able to bust Sasuke's leaving him out of options.

 

[Raykyryn]

Sasuke can evade kamui with Amenotejikara -once (assuming he can react to it to begin with). Then his eye goes to cooldown so he will vulnarable against another kamui snipe. Kamui outranges Amenotejikara so if Kakashi plays his cards right Sasuke can't even be a threat to him. You are right tho its not even debatable.

 

[Xlad]

I see adeshina hasn't changed a bit.

OT: Kakashi loses badly. Lol

 

[EZQ]

As minato has shown us. Counter to kamui is simply raw speed. Kakashi comes nowhere close to sasuke and naruto in that department.

You can't say that when Kakashi speed blitzed Kaguya. He and Naruto were the only ones able to do that, while Sasuke even with his Rinne-blitz failed several times.

 

[EZQ]

Lol no he can't beat Naruto or Sasuke.

I don't agree with your quote. If sasuke uses rinneblitz Kakashi would just slip trough it. And what's about that fanfiction of Sasuke teleporting behind Kakashi along with susano? I don't think he can teleport the whole thing.

About kakashi's chakra running out, we actually don't know how much it lasts, Obito left Kakashi's body because the fight was over, not because the chakra ran out, that's stupid.

Kamui shurikens hit kaguya "when she was unstable" but still, that unstable being speedblitzed Naruto's clone while the "stable" Kaguya got super rasen-shurikened by the same Naruto she speedblitzed on her rabbit mode. So rabbit mode Kaguya's speed (talking about her chakra arms) > normal kaguya's speed.

I do think sasuke wins, but those arguments are poor and have a lot of fan-ficiton over them, while ignoring a lot of Kakashi's speed feats

 

[Eng nawashi]

Sasuke can evade kamui with Amenotejikara -once (assuming he can react to it to begin with). Then his eye goes to cooldown so he will vulnarable against another kamui snipe. Kamui outranges Amenotejikara so if Kakashi plays his cards right Sasuke can't even be a threat to him. You are right tho its not even debatable.

Inb4 sasuke can teleport 3 times successively before getting into cool down .

 

[Chaosmark101]

I don't agree with your quote. If sasuke uses rinneblitz Kakashi would just slip trough it. And what's about that fanfiction of Sasuke teleporting behind Kakashi along with susano? I don't think he can teleport the whole thing.

About kakashi's chakra running out, we actually don't know how much it lasts, Obito left Kakashi's body because the fight was over, not because the chakra ran out, that's stupid.

Kamui shurikens hit kaguya "when she was unstable" but still, that unstable being speedblitzed Naruto's clone while the "stable" Kaguya got super rasen-shurikened by the same Naruto she speedblitzed on her rabbit mode. So rabbit mode Kaguya's speed (talking about her chakra arms) > normal kaguya's speed.

I do think sasuke wins, but those arguments are poor and have a lot of fan-ficiton over them, while ignoring a lot of Kakashi's speed feats

So Kakashi has feats of Reacting to instant teleportation? Lol.

Kamui shurikens wouldn't have done jack to Kaguya had she not been in rabbit mode.

And the first part I said isn't fan fiction.
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And like I said DMS Kakashi doesn't have Juubi jin like reflexs so he won't react and kamui in time

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btw dude re read Kakashi vs Zabuza. Kakashi still won that first encounter.

 

[Eng nawashi]

So Kakashi has feats of Reacting to instant teleportation? Lol.

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Physically ?nope ,mentally ?maybe ,but he doesnt need to ,kakashi knows about sasuke's teleportation so if he starts the fight within sasuke's teleportation's range ,kakashi would just start the fight by activating his intangibility mode so if sasuke tried to blitz him right off the bat ,he would just slip through kakashi's body ,while kakashi would be able to attack him with raikeri during that .

 

[Chaosmark101]

Physically ?nope ,mentally ?maybe ,but he doesnt need to ,kakashi knows about sasuke's teleportation so if he starts the fight within sasuke's teleportation's range ,kakashi would just start the fight by activating his intangibility mode so if sasuke tried to blitz him right off the bat ,he would just slip through kakashi's body ,while kakashi would be able to attack him with raikeri during that .

He only gets 5 minutes of full intangibility. (idk if DMS & Rikudou chakra lengthened this, still featless btw) Not to mention he can't attack while Intangible anyways so that's useless.

He needs to be become solid or his attack would phase through.

If Sasuke sits in PS how is Kakashi gonna fly through Lol.
I'd like to see him try and pierce the diamond with Kamui Rakiri.

 

[Eng nawashi]

He only gets 5 minutes of full intangibility. Not to mention he can't attack while Intangible anyways so that's useless.
Also he needs to be become solid or his attack would phase through.

If Sasuke sits in PS how is Kakashi gonna fly through Lol.
I'd like to see it try and pierce the diamond

-I didnt say kakashi would stay intangible for ever ,i was just counter your saying sasuke blitzes kakashi
,After avoiding being blitzed right off the bat ,kakashi would open his PS and cancel the intangibility mode.

-Kakashi has already used raikeri while phasing through kaguya. (see kamui raikeri explanation in 4th databook).

-Sasuke's PS would get destroyed by long range kamui once his riningan teleportation falls to its cooldown after just one usage .

 

[Draphsin]

And like I said DMS Kakashi doesn't have Juubi jin like reflexs so he won't react and kamui in time

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That's where your wrong, intangibility takes care of ameno because sasuke's striking speed isn't instant.

 

[Chaosmark101]

That's where your wrong, intangibility takes care of ameno because sasuke's striking speed isn't instant.

Yeah I know guy neither was Minato's :|
Where in the manga is it suggested that Kakashi will notice Sasuke appear instantly infront or behind him though?

Edit: what im basically saying is his striking speed doesn't matter as much if Kakashi isn't already intangible (if it wasn't clear)

Can't believe I forgot to mention this. Sasuke learned

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. Right at the end of VOTE2 so he can absorb his ninjutsu anyways

 

[Draphsin]

Yeah I know guy neither was Minato's :|

You're right, at least the first time he hit obito [which was as obito was trying to absorb him, thus intangibility wasn't active]. Once minato marked obito he was able to stick him in the gut w/ his kunai since he could teleport w/ it already touching him.

So yes, the first time he wasn't instant but that's because obito had to deactivate his intangibility [which kakashi doesn't have to do for 5 minutes], the 2nd time minato was instant.

Where in the manga is it suggested that Kakashi will notice Sasuke appear instantly infront or behind him though?

He doesn't need to know where sasuke is, intangibility has worked even during attacks that obito was unaware of.

Edit: what im basically saying is his striking speed doesn't matter as much if Kakashi isn't already intangible (if it wasn't clear)

Yeah, I'm not arguing that. I'm saying that it's just not possible for sasuke to touch kakashi during the 5 minutes.

 

[Bogard]

He beats Biju-less Rinnegan Sasuke. Loses badly to Naruto though