[Discussion] Luffy and Zoro vs Doflamingo and Vergo

[A v i]

Cesar himself is more or less on vergo's level . Cesar>pica therefore your point is invalid.

Looking forward for more Jokes.

Vergo was tanking the damage of smoker...someone who had more haki feats than zoro......that alone should justify my doubt about zoro's ability.

More haki feats than Zoro? First of all more haki feats =/= having better haki. Smokers feats are not even close to being as strong as Zoro's haki less feats let alone his mountain level feats from recent chapters.

grizzly magnum completely destroys the target while zoro's technique cuts, Comparing the two is really illogical and weak honestly, luffy could've totally destroyed the golem if he used elephant gattling unlike zoro who simply cut it in half.

It doesn't matter. It's Zoro's way of fighting. A flying slash is the manifestation of ones physical strength so Zoro has to put just as much strength to be able to pull things on Luffy's level. If you take a good look at it. Luffy failed to completely destroy Pica's face where as Zoro did more damage to the golem with 1080 canon than what Luffy did to it with GM and that was a haki less attack. I am saying this by taking nature of Zoro's attack into factor. Yes, Luffy can destroy it with EG but how many hits does it take for him to destroy it? and how many attacks and how much time does it took Zoro to destroy it?

 

[Venomous Cobra]

I'm not changing anything. It's part of my argument

Well since you consider Doffy's haki stronger, then the better. Do you know Doffy was bleeding by just grabbing a stationary blade? So let alone him actually trying to tank the force of a COA sanzen sekai. And considering Doffy's haki > Vergo's, you do the math. Vergo gets one shoted

what?

How would it work then? COA when used as an offence is a power that helps you to boost your brute strength or attack power.
Haki on more than one occasion was shown to be overpowered by pure haki less brute strength which means that if you're attack power is stronger than your enemies attack then you'll be able to overpower it even if you're haki is not as strong as that of your enemy. Zoro is a pure haki user just like Vergo and has displayed far more powerful attacks than Vergo. Again I don't even get how you're assuming that he can tank Zoro's attacks.

Koka also enhances your body defense if I'm not mistaking, just because you slash a mountain doesn't make your haki strong enough to cut someone in half...otherwise Sanji can literary one shot V just because he kicked OZ before the timeskip who was as big as a mountain.
No. It's not determined by pure strengh, It depends on what damage can you preform on higher level haki users. And if you're denying this then please show me a manga panel where pure strength without haki has determined the haki level of two people. And I'm assuming this because both of them has shown feats of harming or one shotting someone who had a good mastery over haki, therefore I said that they would tie.


sorry for being late people, The notification system is ****ed up....

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Looking forward for more Jokes.
It ain't a joke if it's true.


More haki feats than Zoro? First of all more haki feats =/= having better haki. Smokers feats are not even close to being as strong as Zoro's haki less feats let alone his mountain level feats from recent chapters.
Again just because you have more destructive attacks doesn't mean that you're better, and actually look at your earlier quote you said that "Zoro had more feats" which justified him being better in your logic.





It doesn't matter. It's Zoro's way of fighting. A flying slash is the manifestation of ones physical strength so Zoro has to put just as much strength to be able to pull things on Luffy's level. If you take a good look at it. Luffy failed to completely destroy Pica's face where as Zoro did more damage to the golem with 1080 canon than what Luffy did to it with GM and that was a haki less attack. I am saying this by taking nature of Zoro's attack into factor. Yes, Luffy can destroy it with EG but how many hits does it take for him to destroy it? and how many attacks and how much time does it took Zoro to destroy it?
Nope it didn't do more damage

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Luffy completely destroyed the area where his attack his attack hit while zoro simply slashed it in half. And let me tell you this, yes it's ture that his own physical strength reflects his swords feat but if he was that strong the one slash should've destroyed the whole golem not just separated it in two. It woulld take more than punch but that's way better than having 2 chunks of rocks imo

here........

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

If this is all Doffy has, i would say Luffy could solo high diff, given how easily he is punching Doffy around in G4.

 

[U mAd]

luffy solos extrme high diff

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Doffy at full health is enough to defeat Zoro and Luffy or at least bring Luffy to deaths door, Vergo is just adding insult to injury

 

[Magi]

Team 1 of course.. It will end up 2 vs 1

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Lol why is this a contest ? Doffy (no bird cage andbgamma knife handicaping him) and vergo mid diff seriously
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For one they never go all out from beginning so thts out of question Doffy vs luffy zoro vs vergo is how it most Likley will go

We all seen how long it took for luffy to take out doffy clone fully (and no he won't just gear 4 it ... He seems to only use tht if he has no other options so he won't just do it off the back)

While tht mini fight is happening luffy won't take serious damage but will b distracted


Doffy can turn his eyes on vergo and zoro cuz majoritty think zoro can beat vergo .. fine not even gonna argue this cuz it doesn't matter
I want to also point out Doffy casually left from dressrosa to punk hazard back while having fights and conflicts in one day so he's fast as shit

Doffy sees zoro 2 things can happen the zoro fap boys can choose which one an haki infused overheat (this attack trumps any speed feats zoro has shown... How fast it actually goes) or he can do what he did to jozu but just more extreme and use him as a pupppet ... Now plz do not tell me u ppl think zoro has more physical strength or casually has more will > jozu (want to point out ace life was on the line as well as whitebeards jozu was on his A game and wanted to save his nakama life tht takes a lot of will to go head to head with marines/admirals) if so I'm pretty much done talking to any of u ...

With tht being said I'll pick the later zoro I'd now a puppet


Luffy finishes Doffy clone

Now it's zoro/Doffy vergo vs luffy

Doffy also has shown to be able to recreate his clone so he should be able to so add a new clone in there

These 3 or 4 (not exactly sure how much Doffy can move in parasite ... Although he moved fine against sanji to throw an overheat) against luffy luffy gets gang banged laughable diff (when luffy went gear 4 I want to point out Doffy stood there and let him ... In this fight assuming knowledge from previous fight tht won't happen especially if they just want to win..)

After luffy is killed zoro gets killed in similar manner if Doffy doesn't throw an overheat at him while he is in parasite ....Also want to point out any cut zoro may do to either of them I dnt c why Doffy could not or would not just stitch it up...

 

[Kamui Sama]

I ultimately think Luffy will show that he is capable of beating Doffy even without Law's assistance

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I ultimately think Luffy will show that he is capable of beating Doffy even without Law's assistance

He already has it


Luffy even with gear 4 has yet to actually fully show doing actual damage to Doffy sure he's hitting him and tht is flinging him around because of the momentum but Doffy keeps getting back up causally analyzing luffy s new power up as far as it is shown Doffy hasn't taken tht much damage from gear 4 just flinged around similar to Marco kicking kizaru the attack look like it did major damage when it didn't.....

Law actually did extreme damage to Doffy insides and even tho he repaired it he still is feeling it .... Luffy has yet to show actual damage to Doffy as far as I seen

 

[Oblivionx]

Zoro should beat vergo mid diff...! and then join luffy to beat joker...!

 

[saw2097]

Luffy and Zorro win.

Luffy's gear 4 would pound Doflamingo, he is currently shredding him like his is nothing with Gear 4. Regardless of Law's attack, Luffy has a clear advantage.

Even if there is a power difference, Luffy just has to hold Doflamingo off long enough so that Zorro can beat Vergo in time to assist Luffy in finishing Doflamingo.

 

[IminLovewithMAryj]

Are you kidding me? Without having to keep up the birdcage and his organs in shreds Doffy solos mid to high diff. He was smacking around Luffy and Law (who is undeniably stronger than Zoro). Add Vergo to the equation and it just isn't fair.

 

[Hexuze]

Luffy and Zorro win.

Luffy's gear 4 would pound Doflamingo, he is currently shredding him like his is nothing with Gear 4. Regardless of Law's attack, Luffy has a clear advantage.

Even if there is a power difference, Luffy just has to hold Doflamingo off long enough so that Zorro can beat Vergo in time to assist Luffy in finishing Doflamingo.

We have yet to see Doflamingo go all out or try, plus he took Law's gamma knife which messed him up more than G4 did atm.

 

[Aømine]

Luffy beats Doffy
Vergo beats Zoro

Then Luffy takes on Vergo

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

We have yet to see Doflamingo go all out or try, plus he took Law's gamma knife which messed him up more than G4 did atm.

People need to realise this. Luffy has an advantage over Doflamingo at the moment. This isn't Doflamingo at his strongest. I have my suspicion that Law can defeat Luffy (up to G3) with medium difficulty and G4 puts him above Law, but only just.

The fact Doffy low diffed Luffy earlier and low diffed Law thrice in the same arc, WITH immense injuries goes to show just how much stronger he is in comparison to Law and Luffy

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Why do people act like Birdcage is weakening Doffy? There is no evidence of that.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Why do people act like Birdcage is weakening Doffy? There is no evidence of that.

Nobody said that.

There's this wonderful thing called a Gamma Knife

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Nobody said that.

There's this wonderful thing called a Gamma Knife

There are several people here who have said that in this thread.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

There are several people here who have said that in this thread.

It probably does weaken him. It limits his use of strings and probably takes up stamina