[Theory] Madara's Future Role In Part 3

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This Theory will focus on what role Madara Uchiha could play in Part 3. You may think Madara is dead, but I will try to show otherwise. I think a few people were waiting for this (Complex comes to mind), but I mostly made this to expand my points that I posted in minamoto's Madara's threads.

Madara's Relevance

First off, we all know that Madara's body has a huge amount of secrets related to the Rinnegan and Juubi. So, much so that Tobirama hid Madara's body away until Black Zetsu found it.

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Obito's body had the secrets of Dual Kamui. Kishi eventually uses Kaguya as a plot device to destroy Obito's body.

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But the same didn't happen to Madara. The fate of his body is completely unknown. These are the last panels of Madara in the Part 2 Series.

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The lack of closure to Madara's body is glaring as we already know what happens when bodies are not disposed off. (Above ^ Irony comes; If Tobirama had disposed off Madara's body; the Juubi would not have being revived).

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When, Kaguya was hit with Chibaku Tensei, It's important to note that only the Gedo Mazou was sealed.

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The Nine Bijuus separated.

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Kaguya, the Rabbit Bijuu separated.

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And Madara also separated.

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But, here rises an inconsistency. If Kaguya was not sealed away, where did she go ? This is where something comes in which you might have missed. Trust me, even I missed it, Credits goes to the one who originally posted it.

That is Kaguya transferred herself into Madara. Why do I say so ? First look at the Spirit fluffy material Kaguya is formed from.

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Kaguya then spits Madara. These are the Gravity lines showing Madara falling down.

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Then suddenly these lines are replaced by a white spirit like fluffy substance.

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This shows Kaguya immediately escaping to Madara. At that point, Kaguya didn't have the Juubi's/Gedo Mazou's evil chakra as that got sealed, so Naruto will not be able to sense Kaguya. .

Madara was the perfect vessel for Kaguya; which is why Black Zetsu used Madara as Kaguya's vessel.

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Kaguya's escape mirrors how Kaguya transferred her will to Black Zetsu right before Hagoromo and Hamura's Chibaku Tensei.

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Madara's Rinnegan was not sealed away as many people think. In the initial drafts of the manga, there is no Hashi Face on Madara's chest which implied that Madara's Rinnegan was sealed.

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But later on, the face re-appears in the final draft of the manga showing that Madara's Rinnegan was not sealed away.

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Perhaps Kishi changed his mind to bring Madara back in Part 3 ? But how does that work here ?

Well, this is where comes a revelation. Madara's Rinnegan can bypass the Sun and Moon Chibaku Tensei Seal. This information was only known to Madara (Who is MIA), Obito (Who Died) and Black Zetsu (Who was sealed away). Thus, no one knows that Madara's Rinnegan can summon the Gedo Mazou by bypassing the Chibaku Tensei seal.

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If this happens, the Juubi will be revived once again as the Gedo Mazou would get summoned from Sasuke and Naruto's Chibaku Tensei by Madara's Rinnegan. But does anyone know this ? I suspect Orochimaru and Kabuto perhaps knew this because of thier research on Madara (Remember, Black Zetsu handed over Madara's body for Edo Tensei and research to Kabuto).

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A question now arises if we take this in mind. Is Madara still alive ? I would say yes. Even though the Juubi was extracted, Kaguya, a part of the Juubi did enter Madara.

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Madara would still be alive though extremely weakened and in a coma, just like what happened with Obito and Hagoromo.

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Because of Sasuke's sudden Revolution, nobody got the time to check if Madara was still alive. Madara could have very well being in a near-death state and Sakura, the only medic could have figured it out, that is if she was knocked out by Sasuke's Genjutsu.

(Zabuza escaped Kakashi and Team 7 by taking a near-death condition caused by Haku's needles)

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The Sakura and Madara connection is best summed up by this picture.

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Madara's body with Kaguya's spirit is free for the taking; (This is how the Kaguya transfer to Madara happened)

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By none other than Orochimaru. Foreshadowing of Rinnegan Orochimaru ?

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With so much power, Orochimaru The Serpent;

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Can easily surpass Kaguya, The Rabbit.

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Orochimaru has a connection with Kaguya which is shown by the Snake eating the Rabbit.

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With the Gedo Mazou at his disposal, Orochimaru's plan will start to unfold.

First the Juubi.

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Second the God Tree.

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And Finally the God Tree's Fruit.

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With the God Tree's Fruit, Orochimaru can fulfill his final Dream (You may have forgotten this panel).

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"To become The Ultimate Being In Existence".

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Here's a Translation from Orochimaru's databook and an interpretation foreshadowing his goals :-

The Fourth Databook seems to be prepping Orochimaru to be more than we had assumed. Does this not sound like some sort of demon to you?

"An existence of an endless cycle of rebirth between the three worlds: past, present, and future."

1)An existence of an endless cycle of rebirth between the three worlds: past, present, and future.

2) Quietly waiting for (what’s) ahead, the wind of catastrophic war…

1) It refers to Orochimaru's immortality, but the wording tells me that this transmigration (The whole sentence means Samasara : ) of Orochimaru has being happening since the Beginning of time (Past + Present + Future) . As such, Orochimaru could predate Kaguya, Shinju and even the creation of NV, He could be the Void made human, The Void existed before the beginning of Creation.

2) You missed that line from the translation : It shows that a great war is gonna erupt in Part 3 which will determine the fate of the universe. This could perhaps reference Ragnorok : The Final battle of the Gods (Norse Mythology). The War does not refer to the Fourth Shinobi World War, It's a war that is yet to come. The wind (Reason for the war) I assume is Sasuke (His Revolution ?).
 

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Question, how do you get those green squares around the scans? I've been trying to do that.


OT; Good theory, definitely would not be surprised at this point. I'm hoping the villain does not turn Gold though Lol
 

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Question, how do you get those green squares around the scans? I've been trying to do that.


OT; Good theory, definitely would not be surprised at this point. I'm hoping the villain does not turn Gold though Lol
I used Paint, use the figures option (Rectangles, Squares,etc) and choose a color. . And trust me Oro will be super OP with Madara's body. :sdo:
 

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it definitely sounds plausible. but kishi would have to explain how orochimaru changed his mind (he said he was more interested in Sasuke's path rather than his own, which Kabuto had taken and failed at)
 

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I'll give credit to missing the Rabbit. A little pee came out of me--especially with the smile on its face.
I did a little digging and found the Original version of the Kaguya theory by NaruSasuRival. You can give it a read if you wish.

This is clear, and you can see that actually the 10-th biju, the rabbit, did escape the mazou just like the others. you can see that unlike the other biju who exactly know what is happening, he is a bit surprised. Then, he did not follow the other biju but stay up and watching until he spit Madara. here is my second interpretation of the page.

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1. The Rabbit is out just like the other biju. Unlike the 9 bijus, he stay on his own

2. The Rabbit notice something inside him

3. He spit the thing inside him out.

4. Here, there is something very interesting. Following panel 3, we could say that it was Madara continuing to fall, but I think it is not Madara falling. If we compare the lines I circled in green, Madara was falling in panel 3 as the Rabbit spit him out. The line there are thin and represent really a body falling. On panel 4, there is no line of falling, but a continuous thick beam that has the same color as the Rabbit. This tells me the Rabbit transferred himself inside Madara after he spit him out. So basically, the Rabbit first spit Madara (3) then transfer himself into Madara (4). Madara's movement and the Rabbit transfer can be distinguished by the difference in lines from (3) to(4).

5. Madara is laying down, and I believed he is posed by the Rabbit, and the Rabbit was also summoned in the real world.

That smile is a bit weird. I would say Kaguya was just laughing at how easily she escaped. Lol

it definitely sounds plausible. but kishi would have to explain how orochimaru changed his mind (he said he was more interested in Sasuke's path rather than his own, which Kabuto had taken and failed at)
Sasuke's path was based on Orochimaru's path, becoming a loner, embracing the Darkness. What Sasuke does would in the end benefit Orochimaru. The best candidate for possession by Orochimaru currently is Sasuke. But, I don't like the Idea cause I like him. U_U If Orochimaru possess Sasuke (Or Sasuke lends his body and later backstabs him); he can go toe to toe with Naruto.

Another candidate for possession of Madara's body is Spiral Zetsu. I think Orochimaru will one way or the other use him. Above, I posted a theory showing how Kaguya was not sealed. This one is concerned with how the God Tree was not sealed. I posted this in another thread a long time ago.

While, the main characters very busy fighting; Orochimaru was going on the course of his true plan. Orochimaru was the one who infected Spiral Zetsu with the Curse seal bending him to his will.

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The God Tree was first released by Obito (Which Spiral Zetsu/Tobi used as a vessel).

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The God Tree was absorbed by Madara after he got influenced by the Demon .

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The God Tree was released by Madara when Mugen Tsukuyomi was casted to bind everyone in the genjutsu.

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Kaguya (Rabbit) in Madara's body did not have the God Tree and it was not sealed away with the Gedo Mazou.

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The God Tree does not appears in the Separation/Sealing process either.

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The God Tree was still there after Kaguya was sealed.

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Once Mugen Tsukuyomi dissolves, The God Tree starts to die off. But, the God Tree is immortal and cannot die. In Reality, it was being absorbed.

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By none other than Spiral Zetsu as he transforms into a tree.

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The Spiral/God Tree stalks Sasuke in Chapter 700.

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God damnit, Madara is dead ffs.
I have a feeling that you got rustled by minamoto's threads. :sdo:

Seriously though, yes Madara is dead manga wise, I am just saying how he could have lived.
 

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Agreed, about Kaguya transferring her chakra, but then that poses the question.. did she know about shinobi like Orochimaru ? Because she can't be revived without an external factor coming into play.

Also, Hashi's face also had Sage Mode in one of the scans :p

The thing about CT is false though. Sasuke can also summon the Gedo whenever he likes, it was implied when he summoned his hawk from Earth to Kaguya's dimension.
 
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Agreed, about Kaguya transferring her chakra, but then that poses the question.. did she know about shinobi like Orochimaru ? Because she can't be revived without an external factor coming into play.

Also, Hashi's face also had Sage Mode in one of the scans :p

The thing about CT is false though. Sasuke can also summon the Gedo whenever he likes, it was implied when he summoned his hawk from Earth to Kaguya's dimension.

I remember making a thread about the Hashi Face thing : Lol You can even see the Sage Mode.

About Sasuke summoning Gedo Mazou, I don't think it's possible. Mostly because it was enforced again and again that the Gedo Mazou can only be summoned by Madara's Rinnegan. On top of that if he was able to summon the Gedo Mazou, why didn't he summon it in the VOTE 2 fight ? He was forced to use his own Susanoo as a Gedo Mazou. With his Rinnegan, he can easily control the Juubi.
 

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Great theory, it is well elaborated and very plausible. That would be one OP villian.

Madara's cold heart within Oro will melt once he sees Madatachi, and that is how the world will be saved.

ty and Madatachi solo's.
 

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This seems like a summarized version of rabbit teeth or tenth's theory just without the crapload of mythology. I honestly would want to see another villain but this is possible for the movie at least.
 

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I did a little digging and found the Original version of the Kaguya theory by NaruSasuRival. You can give it a read if you wish.


That smile is a bit weird. I would say Kaguya was just laughing at how easily she escaped. Lol



Sasuke's path was based on Orochimaru's path, becoming a loner, embracing the Darkness. What Sasuke does would in the end benefit Orochimaru. The best candidate for possession by Orochimaru currently is Sasuke. But, I don't like the Idea cause I like him. U_U If Orochimaru possess Sasuke (Or Sasuke lends his body and later backstabs him); he can go toe to toe with Naruto.

Another candidate for possession of Madara's body is Spiral Zetsu. I think Orochimaru will one way or the other use him. Above, I posted a theory showing how Kaguya was not sealed. This one is concerned with how the God Tree was not sealed. I posted this in another thread a long time ago.




I have a feeling that you got rustled by minamoto's threads. :sdo:

Seriously though, yes Madara is dead manga wise, I am just saying how he could have lived.
poeple who don't trust themselves are called YOU!!....


you made a good theory but then ruined it with this comment
 

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Question, how do you get those green squares around the scans? I've been trying to do that.


OT; Good theory, definitely would not be surprised at this point. I'm hoping the villain does not turn Gold though Lol
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rinnegan orochimaru sounds like fanboy fanfic XD

good job. its just sloppy writing to me that madaras body ends up with oro and nobody cares lol
 
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