Byakugō + Mangekyō Sharingan

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Don't believe so. Yin seal (whatever the name that makes new organs) doesn't really cure illnesses, it makes a new organ. So at best the user could have another eye(s) made. It's still questionable if what causes the problem would still be a factor after the new eye also.
 

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Uh, no. Ask yourself what causes the effects of the MS and how it loses eyesight. There is nothing natural at all when it comes to the Sharingan. Comparing the seals between Orochimaru's hand and the MS are two different things. I just showed you the scan, how can you make a comparison towards the Reaper Death Seal? When Orochimaru only received his hands again only after he was resurrected. Orochimaru sought after the best medical shinobi in the land, which was presumably Tsunade. However, nothing was actually stated to be completely true in which she could have healed his arms. It was all talk.
1. What's normal about anything in the NV? Is flying normal? Spitting Lava? Destroying the earth with you fist? What makes fiction fiction is it's lack of boundaries but keep in mind that Kishi does integrate factual or realistic realities. Examples being Sasuke falling to the ground and approaching death when stabbed through the heart, Sasori's toxic poison destroying Kankuro's cellular structure, Sakura doing an autopsy, Sakura preforming CPR, Kusina giving birth from her vagina ect...

2. You boxed in medical ninjutsu bro in attempt of proving it's limited to certain task so what I did was counter tht ideal by cross referencing Manga Facts/Kishi's words. The scan you posted said that the eyesight is eventually sealed correct? And orochimaru's arms were sealed which resulting in them pressuring Tsunade a "medical ninja". But I'll give you that.

3. Yes nothing stated that Tsunade could heal hos arms but it was heavily inferred through the actions of knowledgeable, credible and significant characters that she could. Tsuande never said herself that she couldn't do it and Orochimaru threatening to take Tsunade by force says it all.

4. Again nothing in the manga sates that the MS user loses their sight supernaturally, it spefically states that the using MS puts a strain on the user's eyesight due to it's usages.

5. Strain on the user's eyesight, strongly this implies that its physiological effect.

Meaning overworking the components/system that grants you eye sight is over worked.

Vision begins when light rays are reflected off an object and enter the eyes through the cornea, the transparent outer covering of the eye. The cornea bends or refracts the rays that pass through a round hole called the pupil. The iris, or colored portion of the eye that surrounds the pupil, opens and closes (making the pupil bigger or smaller) to regulate the amount of light passing through. The light rays then pass through the lens, which actually changes shape so it can further bend the rays and focus them on the retina at the back of the eye. The retina is a thin layer of tissue at the back of the eye that contains millions of tiny light-sensing nerve cells called rods and cones, which are named for their distinct shapes. Cones are concentrated in the center of the retina, in an area called the macula. In bright light conditions, cones provide clear, sharp central vision and detect colors and fine details. Rods are located outside the macula and extend all the way to the outer edge of the retina. They provide peripheral or side vision. Rods also allow the eyes to detect motion and help us see in dim light and at night. These cells in the retina convert the light into electrical impulses. The optic nerve sends these impulses to the brain where an image is produced.

Don't believe so. Yin seal (whatever the name that makes new organs) doesn't really cure illnesses, it makes a new organ. So at best the user could have another eye(s) made. It's still questionable if what causes the problem would still be a factor after the new eye also.
Incorrect, The Yin Seal reconsts all organs and all tissues making up the human body.
The technique creation rebirth returns the body back to the unharmed state on every cellular level.
 
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The Yin Seal reconsts all organs and all tissues making up the human body.
Yeah I said that, it makes new organs (not healing old ones).
The technique creation rebirth returns the body back to the unharmed state on every cellular level.
Yes? But does it fix the cause(s) of the issue? The user may get a new eye via creation rebirth, but the effects of MS would still be an ongoing thing-gradual blindness.
 

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1. What's normal about anything in the NV? Is flying normal? Spitting Lava? Destroying the earth with you fist? What makes fiction fiction is it's lack of boundaries but keep in mind that Kishi does integrate factual or realistic realities. Examples being Sasuke falling to the ground and approaching death when stabbed through the heart, Sasori's toxic poison destroying Kankuro's cellular structure, Sakura doing an autopsy, Sakura preforming CPR, Kusina giving birth from her vagina ect...
What? I am talking about the normality in which eyesight follows. Obviously, Mangekyo Sharingan taking away the Uchiha's light is not "normal" for the average person. Seeing how if they lose eyesight it will be following the norm standards. As exactly why Medical Ninjutsu cannot heal any of that. Please try to understand the simplistic of going blind, and the Mangekyo Sharingan stealing away the users eyesight.

3. Yes nothing stated that Tsunade could heal hos arms but it was heavily inferred through the actions of knowledgeable, credible and significant characters that she could. Tsuande never said herself that she couldn't do it and Orochimaru threatening to take Tsunade by force says it all.
It is a baseless claim. If Tsunade was a third rate medical shinobi and he asked her for help, then your claim would have held more substance. The fact that he sought out the best medical shinobi he knew, means that he needed to find some way of healing his arms. He did not search for Tsunade with the intent knowing that she had the capabilities of healing his arms. He sought after Tsunade because he believed she may have had some way, or knowledge of healing his arms. Confirmed =/= Assumption

Did Tsunade know that the RPS was used on Orochimaru?

4. Again nothing in the manga sates that the MS user loses their sight supernaturally, it spefically states that the using MS puts a strain on the user's eyesight due to it's usages.
It is because the user does not lose their eyesight normally. The Mangekyo Sharingan takes their light, how could that be natural? Through the uses of the MS, it seals away their light. Taking it away, hence why he called it sealed. "To fasten or close securely."

Strain on the user's eyesight, strongly this implies that its physiological effect.
Well if you consider the obvious fact of the MS putting strain on the users eye, than yes. However, you are forgetting how the eyesight is taken itself.


Vision begins when light rays are reflected off an object and enter the eyes through the cornea, the transparent outer covering of the eye. The cornea bends or refracts the rays that pass through a round hole called the pupil. The iris, or colored portion of the eye that surrounds the pupil, opens and closes (making the pupil bigger or smaller) to regulate the amount of light passing through. The light rays then pass through the lens, which actually changes shape so it can further bend the rays and focus them on the retina at the back of the eye. The retina is a thin layer of tissue at the back of the eye that contains millions of tiny light-sensing nerve cells called rods and cones, which are named for their distinct shapes. Cones are concentrated in the center of the retina, in an area called the macula. In bright light conditions, cones provide clear, sharp central vision and detect colors and fine details. Rods are located outside the macula and extend all the way to the outer edge of the retina. They provide peripheral or side vision. Rods also allow the eyes to detect motion and help us see in dim light and at night. These cells in the retina convert the light into electrical impulses. The optic nerve sends these impulses to the brain where an image is produced.
None of which is how the Mangekyo Sharingan takes away eysesight. Please, stop citing sources that hold no actual merit to the Naruto verse. Thank you
 

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Explain?

Yeah I said that, it makes new organs (not healing old ones).


Yes? But does it fix the cause(s) of the issue? The user may get a new eye via creation rebirth, but the effects of MS would still be an ongoing thing-gradual blindness.
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"I can reconstruct damaged organs."

Reconstruct - a thing that has been rebuilt after being damaged or destroyed.

Damaged - inflict physical harm on (something) so as to impair its value, usefulness, or normal function.

Creation rebirth - If this technique is used, a body gravely injured that it will be instantly restored to its uninjured state.

Correlation: The MS users eyesight gradually diminishes each time it's used so my theory is that after each usage the activation of creation rebirth can repair the damaged done.
 

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What Rasta is failing to see is that the drainage is on a spiritual/supernatural level, including a chemical inbalance. Something that byakugo can't heal.

Some of you need to study a little medicine. And realize that simply fixing a problem physically does not equate to solution or a definite alternative.
 

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"I can reconstruct damaged organs."

Reconstruct - a thing that has been rebuilt after being damaged or destroyed.

Damaged - inflict physical harm on (something) so as to impair its value, usefulness, or normal function.

Creation rebirth - If this technique is used, a body gravely injured that it will be instantly restored to its uninjured state.

Correlation: The MS users eyesight gradually diminishes each time it's used so my theory is that after each usage the activation of creation rebirth can repair the damaged done.

After this you still haven't addressed my concern stated in my first post, that the causes of the MS blindness will still be there.

The eye can be recreated (like I said in my first post), but MS problems (causes) are still there also. Even after that recreating a new eye(s) is bad since cells can only split so many times.....

Secondly nothing has stated what it is that causes MS blindness, it is your assumption that it is something that involves cells.
 

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Madara compared the byakugo to hashirama's healing ability. & Obito w/ hashi's dna was seemingly able to negate the eye strain/blindness caused by kamui.

It should be able to do the same as long as it's active.
Kakashi was spamming it and didn't go blind, no hashi dna. So I think that isn't the reason.
 

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Both have restorative properties to them.
Sakura's restorative properties comes from Byakugō while Hashirama's comes from his own body due to his supreme life force.



Kakashi was spamming it and didn't go blind, no hashi dna. So I think that isn't the reason.
During the war arc he stated that he was going blind.
 
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