Nagato vs EMS Sasuke and Edo Itachi

[Amaterasu]

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Tbh if Edo Itachi stabilizes Susanoo theres not much nagato can do Yata blocks all his attacks and when ct is used Itachi makes use of the pull and seals the the mass

Lol, seriously bro ? (...Or so the legend goes.)
@Bold Lmao :leaf:

 

[Zexion~]

Lmaoooo @ this fanfic
10/10 I lol'ed

Things are only classified as fanfiction when things are proven false. Dumbass obviously its not that simple in this fight but YM isn't a problem here

 

[Scryed]

That core is strong enough to withstand Tons of pressure from the debris that got pulled towards it.

Not so sure Itachi and Sasuke have enough Fire Power to destroy it.


I'll go with Nagato.

 

[Draphsin]

I only brought it up cause you did before, he can use ama on the bird and nagato.

I brought up the bird as a means for nagato to reach the air faster, Idc if the bird gets hit w/ ama because that's completely irrelevant to my point, & no nagato isn't getting hit by ama, not when he can absorb it, repel it, & sense it before it even happens.

Like someone said before nagato can defiantly overcome it but its too dangerous to ignore which is why it provides a great distraction

Ama isn't dangerous in the slightest, nagato can sense the build up of chakra before it happens meaning he activates preta before he gets hit. Should he somehow miraculously get hit then he simply repels it off via ST. Ama is a non-factor here.

Yes you can that attack changed the environment.

So? Prove that anything less than an attack that can destroy the entire environment is enough to take out the core. You can't.

The attack destroyed the CT effortlessly.

@Bold: Based on absolutely nothing.

I'm sure a weaker attack could destroy it without causing that much damage.

Speculation.

I say speculation because we don't know how much is actually needed to destroy it cause CT has no durability feats.

Doesn't matter, it only got destroyed by a tbb, saying that anything less is needed to destroy it is still all speculation.

Which summons I only recall the bird one being able to fly and they are all easily dispatched using amaterasu

The dogs, the chameleon, the rhino, the panda, the crab, the ox, & the centipede. & You're still not getting it. It only takes moments for debris to gather around the core, while itachi & sasuke are busy hitting the summons the CBT becomes way to much for them to even have a slight chance at destroying it. Since magatamas/arrows are awful when it comes to destroying rock then once the core is covered they become powerless, just like the KN6 tbb.

& Summons don't need to fly, the attractive force from cbt pulls them up & from there they can easily intercept any attacks aimed at the core along w/ nagato himself.

and shuriken/kunai to the eyes

Only possible because of kabuto's poor control over nagato. Nagato would never allow that to happen, especially if he has itachi & sasuke in his line of sight.

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Lol

1. DB > BZ's statement which isn't even backed up w/ any concrete evidence.

2. "Or so the legend goes" debunks the claim entirely because it suggests that BZ doesn't even know fore sure, yet he's the one making the statement which is apparently "fact" according to you.

3. Feats > hype, until you show me totsuka sealing anything that didn't have a soul then you can't prove what he said. A statement that isn't even 100% correct by the manga's standards doesn't count as evidence, especially when the DB tells us something different & the manga supports it w/ feats.

Yata blocks all his attacks

Susanoo or not, yata or not, he still gets trapped inside the CBT.

and when ct is used Itachi makes use of the pull and seals the the mass

Lol Totsuka isn't sealing anything that doesn't have a soul. Also give me feats suggesting that totsuka has the power to pierce the core, otherwise you're using a no limits fallacy to suggest that totsuka can pierce everything.

 

[Tsukukami]

I brought up the bird as a means for nagato to reach the air faster, Idc if the bird gets hit w/ ama because that's completely irrelevant to my point, & no nagato isn't getting hit by ama, not when he can absorb it, repel it, & sense it before it even happens.Ama isn't dangerous in the slightest, nagato can sense the build up of chakra before it happens meaning he activates preta before he gets hit. Should he somehow miraculously get hit then he simply repels it off via ST. Ama is a non-factor here.

Yeah I agreed ama is only useful for distraction purposes

So? Prove that anything less than an attack that can destroy the entire environment is enough to take out the core. You can't.
@Bold: Based on absolutely nothing.
Speculation.
Doesn't matter, it only got destroyed by a tbb, saying that anything less is needed to destroy it is still all speculation.

The CT was literally obliterated. @bold it was destroyed b 3 attacks. You can't prove they just used the right amount force to destroy it either because Itachi told them to fire there strongest long-range attack. For Naruto & Bee this happens to be their strongest.

The dogs, the chameleon, the rhino, the panda, the crab, the ox, & the centipede. & You're still not getting it. It only takes moments for debris to gather around the core, while itachi & sasuke are busy hitting the summons the CBT becomes way to much for them to even have a slight chance at destroying it. Since magatamas/arrows are awful when it comes to destroying rock then once the core is covered they become powerless, just like the KN6 tbb.

& Summons don't need to fly, the attractive force from cbt pulls them up & from there they can easily intercept any attacks aimed at the core along w/ nagato himself.

Why would he use these attacks together when the summons just get pulled to the core by the ground too making them all easy targets Amaterasu to the center. They all get pulled to the same point anyways

Only possible because of kabuto's poor control over nagato. Nagato would never allow that to happen, especially if he has itachi & sasuke in his line of sight.

What feats from nagato suggest this he's not in 6th paths mode so he cannot always have his focus on both

Lol

1. DB > BZ's statement which isn't even backed up w/ any concrete evidence.

How so BZ is the most knowledgeable person at the time. The DB doesn't even disagree with him xD

2. "Or so the legend goes" debunks the claim entirely because it suggests that BZ doesn't even know fore sure, yet he's the one making the statement which is apparently "fact" according to you.

Kishi wouldn't put the statement in the manga if it weren't true and it proves to be true when he uses it lol

3. Feats > hype, until you show me totsuka sealing anything that didn't have a soul then you can't prove what he said. A statement that isn't even 100% correct by the manga's standards doesn't count as evidence, especially when the DB tells us something different & the manga supports it w/ feats.

The text can't be any clearer Anything and Everything.This is one of the rare times the DB & The manga don't contradict. The manga just happens to be more specific.

Susanoo or not, yata or not, he still gets trapped inside the CBT.
Lol Totsuka isn't sealing anything that doesn't have a soul. Also give me feats suggesting that totsuka has the power to pierce the core, otherwise you're using a no limits fallacy to suggest that totsuka can pierce everything.

Spirit weapons dude it has no real physical form. its a spiritual body per say therefore it can 'pierce' everything its not that hard to understand xD

 

[Zexion~]

Wait what is this guy trying to say Totska seals?

It already didn't seal Orochimaru's hydra heads....so.... yeah

 

[Chazzi]

Wait what is this guy trying to say Totska seals?

It already didn't seal Orochimaru's hydra heads....so.... yeah

He didn't pierce them, he slashed them.

 

[Amaterasu]

Banish is retarded, stop debate with him.

 

[Zexion~]

He didn't pierce them, he slashed them.

:| Definition for pierce is

to go through or into (something) in a forceful or noticeable way

Which I would say a slash counts as. So if you want to be technical about it that means anything that Totska Breaches should be sealed

 

[Draphsin]

Yeah I agreed ama is only useful for distraction purposes

They ama the bird & nagato jumps off & flies in the air, how is that a distraction? W/ his sensory abilities he won't be tricked, & if they attempts a blitz they get ST'd away.

Ama isn't doing anything useful here.

The CT was literally obliterated.

And? How do you know it doesn't need to be completely obliterated in order to stop? How do you know that merely piercing it will destroy it? The tbb obliterated it, that still doesn't mean it was overkill.

@bold it was destroyed b 3 attacks.

I know that, but the other attacks don't come close to comparing in terms of DC so it doesn't matter. If we were to put in in % then the tbb would've done 90% at the very least, while the other attacks produced the rest. I don't even count the other attacks, if a tbb level attack isn't thrown at it then it isn't getting destroyed.

You can't prove they just used the right amount force to destroy it either because Itachi told them to fire there strongest long-range attack. For Naruto & Bee this happens to be their strongest.

Never said that. I said itachi knew that bee had a tbb as a weapon so he knew that bee would use it. Itachi said "use your strongest attack", he didn't say use any old long ranged attack, he asked two jinchuuriki to use their most powerful attacks.

Anyways I'm not here to prove that a tbb is needed anyways, that was the only thing that was shown to destroy it. Burden of proof is on the one who wants to prove that something weaker can take it out. Since there's nothing to suggest it then there's no reason to believe it.

Why would he use these attacks together when the summons just get pulled to the core by the ground too making them all easy targets Amaterasu to the center. They all get pulled to the same point anyways

The CBT is in the air, nagato summons his animals between itachi/sasuke & the core. That way if they try to attack it then they hit summons instead. It's to block the LoS b/w the brothers & the core, as if the rocks aren't already doing that anyways. The summons getting caught in the core is irrelevant anyways, he can sacrifice his summons to trap the brothers & win the match.

Also ama won't be enough for CBT, itachi used his magatamas, not ama.

What feats from nagato suggest this he's not in 6th paths mode so he cannot always have his focus on both

Nagato is a sensor, he'll always have an idea of their position because of that. Then he uses shared vision via summons to keep track them. He's not going to take his eyes off of them like when kabuto did. Kabuto wasn't even paying attention to itachi but that's not going to be the case here. Plus nagato will have more summons out meaning more eyes to track his blindspots.

How so BZ is the most knowledgeable person at the time. The DB doesn't even disagree with him xD

BZ has been wrong, he's not the most knowledgeable otherwise he wouldn't be referring to the "legend" of the weapon. He's also never seen ama so that proves he doesn't have knowledge on every single thing in the manga. & Yes the DB does disagree w/ him, it says that souls are the only things that can get sealed if pierced & the manga supports this.

Kishi wouldn't put the statement in the manga if it weren't true and it proves to be true when he uses it lol

Going by this logic hiruzen is the strongest hokage, please don't use hype w/o feats. He didn't prove anything to be true & totsuka has only sealed people who have souls. Unless you can give me evidence of the contrary then you're wrong.

The text can't be any clearer Anything and Everything.

Don't care, BZ isn't all-knowing. The DB says what totsuka can seal.

This is one of the rare times the DB & The manga don't contradict. The manga just happens to be more specific.

Also wrong, the manga is more vague, referring to a "legend" & saying that it can seal "anything" are both more vague than specifically stating what it can seal & showing it to us through the manga. I'm honestly not going to continue this nonsense if you won't see to reason. Why waste my time on someone who follows the same logic that makes hiruzen the strongest hokage?

Spirit weapons dude it has no real physical form.

Not proof.

its a spiritual body per say therefore it can 'pierce' everything its not that hard to understand xD

Again not proof, show me other spiritual bodies piercing everything they come into contact w/. You're just straight up claiming fanfiction now. U_U

 

[Chazzi]

:| Definition for pierce is



Which I would say a slash counts as. So if you want to be technical about it that means anything that Totska Breaches should be sealed

So if I cut someone's arm off with a sword, I pierced that guy's arm?

 

[Zexion~]

Not proof.



Again not proof, show me other spiritual bodies piercing everything they come into contact w/. You're just straight up claiming fanfiction now. U_U

Spirit weapons are said to be ethereal in the DB my man, but you are right Lol

 

[Zexion~]

So if I cut someone's arm off with a sword, I pierced that guy's arm?

You've pierced through his skin and bone.... Just like people say whenever they're injured slash or not "They've pierced my armor"

But I suppose that could be a plausible explanation as spirit weapons do have some funky parameters Lol

 

[Draphsin]

Spirit weapons are said to be ethereal in the DB my man, but you are right Lol

Yeah true, I get that but CBT is what? Basically just a mass of chakra w/ a heavy attractive force. So how do we know the sword won't just get sucked into it?

 

[Chazzi]

You've pierced through his skin and bone.... Just like people say whenever they're injured slash or not "They've pierced my armor"

Besides...Why would an all might spirit weapon's ability depend on the direction its swung :|

Idk, doesn't feel right, but maybe you are.

No idea, but the Hydra's were living right? Should've been sealed if it didn't matter.

 

[Draphsin]

Idk, doesn't feel right, but maybe you are.

No idea, but the Hydra's were living right? Should've been sealed if it didn't matter.

The hydras were most likely purely made from oro's chakra, so they wouldn't have had souls. Oro himself needed to be pierced hence why itachi waited until he emerged.

 

[Zexion~]

Yeah true, I get that but CBT is what? Basically just a mass of chakra w/ a heavy attractive force. So how do we know the sword won't just get sucked into it?

Lol it seals souls in an everlasting Genjutsu world...CBT you mean CT right? Its just a mass of chakra, I don't really see a mass of chakra being sealed in an eternal genjutsu this guy doesn't know what he's saying.

Idk, doesn't feel right, but maybe you are.

No idea, but the Hydra's were living right? Should've been sealed if it didn't matter.

They're basically just chakra I don't think its an actual summoning or anything. Similar to his 10000 snakes.

 

[Draphsin]

Lol it seals souls in an everlasting Genjutsu world...CBT you mean CT right? Its just a mass of chakra, I don't really see a mass of chakra being sealed in an eternal genjutsu this guy doesn't know what he's saying.

Yeah, chibaku tensei = CBT. & Yeah exactly, he's saying that BZ's word is somehow more credible than what the DB specifically told us & the manga specifically showed us. The fact that BZ was referring to the "legend" of totsuka already debunks his claim, the hydra heads do too.

 

[Chazzi]

They're basically just chakra I don't think its an actual summoning or anything. Similar to his 10000 snakes.

The hydras were most likely purely made from oro's chakra, so they wouldn't have had souls. Oro himself needed to be pierced hence why itachi waited until he emerged.

Alright.

He could still slash through the CT core with Totsuka though, imo.

 

[Zexion~]

Yeah, chibaku tensei = CBT. & Yeah exactly, he's saying that BZ's word is somehow more credible than what the DB specifically told us & the manga specifically showed us. The fact that BZ was referring to the "legend" of totsuka already debunks his claim, the hydra heads do too.

Yeah my man its not sealing chakra. Thats a laughable claim. DB Says it seals souls.

Alright.

He could still slash through the CT core with Totsuka though, imo.

Nah man took a combined TBB,Real FRS and Yasaka's.... Just a slash of sword regardless the size wont do anything. Plus by the time Itachi could reach it would have picked up too much debris anyways