How strong is Base Killer Bee?

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Lets assume Bee was never the Jinchuriki of Gyuki. How strong would he be and how would he fair against other Jounin. Not really a gauntlet. Who does he beat and who does he loses to.

Asuma
Zabuza
Kakashi *no sharingan*
Hidan
Darui
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He beats all of them. Base Bee is low kage level.

-Samehada
-7 Swords Dance
-Raiton Vibrato Swords
-Tentacles
-Great speed and reflexes
-Good durability
-Base lariat which is stronger than Ay's V2 Lariat

He beats Tsunade easily.
 

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He beats all of them. Base Bee is low kage level.

-Samehada
-7 Swords Dance
-Raiton Vibrato Swords
-Tentacles
-Great speed and reflexes
-Good durability
-Base lariat which is stronger than Ay's V2 Lariat

He beats Tsunade easily.

He doesn't have Samehada here, remember it was only attached to him because it liked Gyukis chakra so much.
He has no tentacles either, remember hes not a jinchuriki.
In my opinion that Lariat clash was more emotional that serious.
And no, Base Bee does not beat Tsunade.
 

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Base Bee is ≈ to base Kimimaro (no curse Mark) imo.
 

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Lets see, Killer bee still is the master of the 7 sword style.
He is able to fuse his weapons with raiton chakra and his speed and taijutsu is the same level as base ays
The problem is he doesn't have more feats without the gyuki or i forgot things, but i can't remember he has shown more of his own feats.

Asuma
Killer bee would win mid diff
Asuma has pretty good chances of blocking a few moves of killer bees sword with his hien infused blades, but the speed and movements speed of bee is to fast for asuma. A few swords of bee might get cut, but in the end he overcome asuma in close combat.

Zabuza
Even though Killer bee is much faster and better in kenjutsu&taijutsu, the mist is a very usefull jutsu which favors Zabuza a lot and is an ideal base for his water clone feints in combination with his silent killing. Zabuza would need multiple attempts to outsmart killer bee, but imo a double clone feint would end this, bee is durable, but against the big blade of zabuza he has no chance surviving . Zabuza high diff (ofc it depends on the starting distance)

Kakashi *no sharingan*
Its likely the same as Zabuza. He is no match for killer bee in close combat and kenjutsu, but he has hiding like a mole and clone feints.
A ration clone is definitely the best way of fooling and immobilizing bee for some time. After that Kakashi would go for the head with a raiton kunai. Kakashi mid-high diff (depends on the starting distance)

Hidan
with intel killer bee wins this low-mid diff
without intel killer bee might get fooled by hidans immortality, but his reaction skills and speed would save him from a deadly blow.
Even if hidan would manage to get a bit of his blood, the whole ceremony of him takes to long, killer bee would attack him before he finishes his ritual and fragment him into pieces with ration infused blades. bee mid diff

Darui
Killer bee is able to dodge every jutsu of darui with his speed.
He is superior in kenjutsu,taijutsu and strenght/durability.
He wins this mid diff

Temari
At short range he would blitz her low diff
At mid range he would throw his ration infused swords at her preventing her from performing high level fuuton justus, closing the distance and finishing her with his speed.
At long range he would get hit by kirri kirri mai, but i don't know whether his durability allows him to survive that or not.
Im not very familiar with the force of kkm.
 

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Asuma
Zabuza
Kakashi *no sharingan*
Hidan
Darui
All these matches are a slaughter. Killer B's 7 sword dance forced Itachi back, and when Sasuke tried to take him on, he got punked. They are all primarily CQC fighters, and they are all slower than Itachi with inferior reactions, and the gap isn't small either. B wrecks each and every one of them.



She's the only one who stands a chance due to her long range fighting style. If she lets B get close it's over though, cause she isn't reacting to him well enough to defend herself in CQC, nor will she outrun him.
 

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All these matches are a slaughter. Killer B's 7 sword dance forced Itachi back, and when Sasuke tried to take him on, he got punked. They are all primarily CQC fighters, and they are all slower than Itachi with inferior reactions, and the gap isn't small either. B wrecks each and every one of them.

How does bee deals with hidden mist and Clone feints in the mist ?

I doubt Killer bee is able to see through a ration clone feint, he gets paralyzed and finished with a raikiri or ration kunai.
Ofc both Zabuza and Kakashi are no match for him in close combat, but when the starting distance allows the 2 of them to preform their strategies, i don't see killer bee winning.
 

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How does bee deals with hidden mist and Clone feints in the mist ?

I doubt Killer bee is able to see through a ration clone feint, he gets paralyzed and finished with a raikiri or ration kunai.
Ofc both Zabuza and Kakashi are no match for him in close combat, but when the starting distance allows the 2 of them to preform their strategies, i don't see killer bee winning.

Part 1 3-T Kakashi isn't superior to Kakashi in any physical way. That same Kakashi was blocking Zabuza's attacks. Killer B does the same, but instead he blocks and saws through his blade with his Raiton Blades and kills him. Do you think that Part 2 Kakashi, 3-T Sasuke, or 3-T Itachi gets one shotted by Mist+Silent killing? Of course not. His clone feints are no big issue, cause his clones are all fodders.

Raiton paralyze Raiton users. At best he'll stun B, but then Kakashi gets countered or evaded just how right .
 

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He beats all of them. Base Bee is low kage level.

-Samehada
-7 Swords Dance
-Raiton Vibrato Swords
-Tentacles
-Great speed and reflexes
-Good durability
-Base lariat which is stronger than Ay's V2 Lariat

He beats Tsunade easily.

Tsunade one shots before he realizes a lariat( in Byakugo) or swords dance(in Base) hardly affect her.
 

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Part 1 3-T Kakashi isn't superior to Kakashi in any physical way. That same Kakashi was blocking Zabuza's attacks. Killer B does the same, but instead he blocks and saws through his blade with his Raiton Blades and kills him. Do you think that Part 2 Kakashi, 3-T Sasuke, or 3-T Itachi gets one shotted by Mist+Silent killing? Of course not. His clone feints are no big issue, cause his clones are all fodders.
Zabuza i able to make the mist so thick, normal humans eyes aren't able to see past 1-2 meters. And the view they get in the mist is pretty bad.Silent killing is very underrated, bee won't see anything and Zabuza and his clones are able to move almost free due to their accurate hearing.

Bee may react to a few attacks from behind, but a double clone feint would be very confusing in the mist. Zabuza can kill him by surprise from behind, while the latter is dealing with a water clone.

Itachi, sasuke, kakashi, all of them would be able to defeat Zabuza because the sharingan still works a bit in the mist, sharingan is still better than normal eyes. Itachi has also clones and sasuke his summons, Kakashi has only one sharingan, but in addition to that very good senses and ninja-dogs with an excellent sense of smell. They are all prepared to fight in the mist.

Killer bee lacks sharingan, good senses and clones to see through clone feints in the mist.

Raiton paralyze Raiton users. At best he'll stun B, but then Kakashi gets countered or evaded just how right .

Killer bee was at least forced to his knees, a raikiri from underground would pierce him ver fast, much faster than jugos slow attack by jumping from above.
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I think he can clear this tbh. Even for a long range fighter like Temari(assuming she starts far), i don't see how he can't rapidely cover the distance for someone who cleared a mountain level distance instant away after being paralyzed by lightning and he would burry her alive in close combat
 

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it would be cool if Bee could make ink clones in base

He clears anyway
 

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Zabuza i able to make the mist so thick, normal humans eyes aren't able to see past 1-2 meters. And the view they get in the mist is pretty bad.Silent killing is very underrated, bee won't see anything and Zabuza and his clones are able to move almost free due to their accurate hearing.

This literally didn't answer anything I said, but if anything, Silent Killing is extremely overrated.





Multiple times he's shown that when he comes up close to attack, he's somewhat perceivable. That's why Kakashi was able to block his punch, albeit not effectively. He attributed that to the hindrance to his eyesight slowing his reactions. If your reactions are fast enough, then that kind of hindrance isn't going to effect you as bad as it did Kakashi let alone bad enough to actually be killed off in one hit like some fodder. B's reactions>>Part 1 Kakashi's. B's speed as a whole>>Part 1 Kakashi's. He'd block all of Zabuza's attacks, but easier.

When Zabuza was about to kill Tazuna, Sakura and Tazuna noticed him. If he goes for the kill, he'll be noticed, and he'll be countered by B.

Bee may react to a few attacks from behind, but a double clone feint would be very confusing in the mist. Zabuza can kill him by surprise from behind, while the latter is dealing with a water clone.

Not really. Water Clones are only 10% of his strength, which is already nothing compared to B, and B uses Raiton. One hit from his Vibrato Blade and it'd be over. If he doesn't want to enter a stance where it'd be hard to react to Zabuza's incoming attack, he'd just toss a Raiton Pencil at the Water Clone to kill it, leaving him in a position good enough to counter Zabuza's attack, and then Raiton streaming lets him cut through his Kubikiribocho and end Zabuza's life.


Itachi, sasuke, kakashi, all of them would be able to defeat Zabuza because the sharingan still works a bit in the mist, sharingan is still better than normal eyes.
Not in the Mist. It's literally the same. Mist is made from his chakra, so all Kakashi sees is a thick blanket of Zabuza's chakra

Itachi has also clones and sasuke his summons, Kakashi has only one sharingan, but in addition to that very good senses and ninja-dogs with an excellent sense of smell. They are all prepared to fight in the mist.

Kakashi didn't use any of that to combat the mist, so I'm not seeing why they'd need it either. Kakashi doesn't have some magic sixth sense that they lack, nor was his sense of smell even a factor against Zabuza. Smell doesn't help there since it has no scent.

Killer bee lacks sharingan, good senses and clones to see through clone feints in the mist.

Sharingan is useless, Kakashi didn't need clones when he fought Zabuza.


Killer bee was at least forced to his knees, a raikiri from underground would pierce him ver fast, much faster than jugos slow attack by jumping from above.
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He was forced to his knees by a Chidori, which would probably do worse than a Raiton Clone, but still Shunshin'd that far away after Jugo tried to attack him, and if anything, Kakashi's attack is slower since it's harder to rise from underground and attack than it is to come from above. B easily evades, or instead of evading he just counters.

Wasn't Itachi reacting to Sharingan Kakashi's underground attacks anyway?
 

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This literally didn't answer anything I said, but if anything, Silent Killing is extremely overrated.
Sorry if i misunderstood you the beginning of your post was a bit confusing, i don't see what i didnt answer.


In all those panels he has his sharingan active, which makes a difference, the sharingan precognition inserts delayed due to the mist, but still works, thats why Kakashi was able to react to Zabuza.
Multiple times he's shown that when he comes up close to attack, he's somewhat perceivable. That's why Kakashi was able to block his punch, albeit not effectively. He attributed that to the hindrance to his eyesight slowing his reactions. If your reactions are fast enough, then that kind of hindrance isn't going to effect you as bad as it did Kakashi let alone bad enough to actually be killed off in one hit like some fodder. B's reactions>>Part 1 Kakashi's. B's speed as a whole>>Part 1 Kakashi's. He'd block all of Zabuza's attacks, but easier.

Bees eyesight would be restricted, too, which means his reactions are also slowed down.
Ofc he would be able to block Zabuzas punches or slashes much similar like Kakashi, maybe a bit better, but due to the lack of sharingan his eyesight is worse than part 1 Kakashis in the mist.
if he gets attacked from behind and in front, silently, i don't see him reacting fast enough, ofc only due to the sick mist.

When Zabuza was about to kill Tazuna, Sakura and Tazuna noticed him. If he goes for the kill, he'll be noticed, and he'll be countered by B.
They noticed him in the last moment, but i agree, he becomes visible and hearable at close range when he runs at his targets, but this was not his silent killing.
This is his silent killing, imo.

A double clone feint combined with silent killing and even killer bees reactions are outmaneuvered.

Not really. Water Clones are only 10% of his strength, which is already nothing compared to B, and B uses Raiton. One hit from his Vibrato Blade and it'd be over. If he doesn't want to enter a stance where it'd be hard to react to Zabuza's incoming attack, he'd just toss a Raiton Pencil at the Water Clone to kill it, leaving him in a position good enough to counter Zabuza's attack, and then Raiton streaming lets him cut through his Kubikiribocho and end Zabuza's life.
The clones are only for tricking, confusing him. Bee would strike them, but when he attacks them he is vulnerable from behind, he would notice Zabuzas silent killing to late after he is fooled by a clone feint.
He won't throw a ration pencil at a clone who will appear directly in front of him.
Bee is forced to use close combat and strikes, which makes him prone to a sneak attack.



Not in the Mist. It's literally the same. Mist is made from his chakra, so all Kakashi sees is a thick blanket of Zabuza's chakra
Then there was no point in showing that eye off

ofc the sharingan works in the mist, thats why zabuza closed his eyes, being save from illusions



Kakashi didn't use any of that to combat the mist, so I'm not seeing why they'd need it either. Kakashi doesn't have some magic sixth sense that they lack, nor was his sense of smell even a factor against Zabuza. Smell doesn't help there since it has no scent.
Kakashi used the sharingan and his doges.
He has good senses, but in the Zabuza fight it wasn't shown. In gaiden he sniffed out some iwa jonins and located the invisible one with only vibrations in air, thats why he was able to save obito, sacrificing his left eye.
He even smelled that the bloody kunai the invisible iwa jonin used was thrown away by him shortly after he sliced Kakashis left eye.
The link you posted clearly is focused on the active sharingan before Kakashi defends himself from that shurikans.
He heard them before he turned his head around, so his senses definitely played a role.
Sharingan is useless, Kakashi didn't need clones when he fought Zabuza.
covered above
He didn't need clones, but summons.
The use of clones would help one against Zabuzas clone feints, but killer bee lacks both summons and clones, and his normal eye sight is worse than the sharingan eye sight.
Mist renders sharingan not completely useless.



Kakashi even closed his normal eye only showing the sharingan off, proves that the sharingan works.


He was forced to his knees by a Chidori, which would probably do worse than a Raiton Clone, but still Shunshin'd that far away after Jugo tried to attack him, and if anything, Kakashi's attack is slower since it's harder to rise from underground and attack than it is to come from above. B easily evades, or instead of evading he just counters.
Thats debatable, but i think at least it would immobilize him for a short time, i doubt bee would tank it without getting paralyzed.
The distance between the target is much shorter jugo needed to jump high and then was pulled down by gravity, this are 2 steps.
kakashi breaks out of the earth directly under bee is faster imo.

Wasn't Itachi reacting to Sharingan Kakashi's underground attacks anyway?
yes because of the sharingan precognition and due to not being paralyzed.
 
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All these matches are a slaughter. Killer B's 7 sword dance forced Itachi back, and when Sasuke tried to take him on, he got punked. They are all primarily CQC fighters, and they are all slower than Itachi with inferior reactions, and the gap isn't small either. B wrecks each and every one of them.

You may have a point with that except for Kakashi and Darui. Kakashi already showed he can react to Itachi in early shippuden and Darui has shown he can keep up with V1 Ay. Its not going to be a walk in the park for him with any of them in my opinion. Hes not about to just waltz up to them and wreck them when Asuma can blow he and his swords away with Futon should he start his SSD or spit out the Ash Cloud and ignite it, setting him on fire.

I'll concede on Asuma Zabuza and Hidan but I think Kakashi, Darui and Temari beats him.

Raiton can't paralyze Raiton users. At best he'll stun B, but then Kakashi gets countered or evaded just how Jugo did right here.

As for this statement, I don't know why you think this because I've never seen this stated anywhere. It makes no sense for people with Raiton nature to be immune to being paralyzed by someone else Raiton especially when the level of attacks can greatly differ too.

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Getting shocked is paralysis because the shocking is causing your muscles to contract thus paralyzing your body, (which is why Sasuke and Bee couldn't move) until the shock is over. Even after Chidori and Lighting Wave ended Bee and Sasuke were still on the ground with lighting emitting from them until shortly after being able to move again and it would leave an opening for lets say... someone faster than Jugo to kill him (Bee).

More lightning brings more volts to shock and paralyze someone and I can say that if Bee was splashed with a little water from Suigetsu and was paralyzed from a Raiton the size of Sasukes hand, hes getting put down from being drenched in and hit with an attack of this .
 

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His Kenjutsu technique was enough to pulverise the reincarnation of Indra, with a fully mastered Sharingan; as well as heavily pressuring Edo Itachi. His speed is enough to cross mountains that it needs Karin to detect his location. His physical strength overpowered V2 Ay. His durability withstood the full power of Ay's Lariat without damage, and he was taking direct hits from Taka's combinations.

He easily stomps all those gauntlets.
 

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Sorry if i misunderstood you the beginning of your post was a bit confusing, i don't see what i didnt answer.

In all those panels he has his sharingan active, which makes a difference, the sharingan precognition inserts delayed due to the mist, but still works, thats why Kakashi was able to react to Zabuza.

And B still has superior reactions to that Kakashi even w/ his Sharingan, so B would be able to replicate the same feat.


Bees eyesight would be restricted, too, which means his reactions are also slowed down.
Ofc he would be able to block Zabuzas punches or slashes much similar like Kakashi, maybe a bit better, but due to the lack of sharingan his eyesight is worse than part 1 Kakashis in the mist.
It's not worse. Kakashi can't see through the mist any better. Sharingan just lets him react faster due to precog, but since Killer B>>Part 1 Kakashi in reaction speed, he'd replicate what Kakashi did in the mist, but better.

if he gets attacked from behind and in front, silently, i don't see him reacting fast enough, ofc only due to the sick mist.

Go a few pages farther, and you'll see that Kakashi managed to intercept him despite him going for a completely different target. If he had attacked Kakashi, he would've been blocked even easier, since it takes more time to go to where Zabuza and Tazuna are, and then block, than it is to block.

They noticed him in the last moment, but i agree, he becomes visible and hearable at close range when he runs at his targets, but this was not his silent killing.
This is his silent killing, imo.

A double clone feint combined with silent killing and even killer bees reactions are outmaneuvered.

It's literally the same thing, he was just able to get them like that because they are nowhere near Kakashi in speed or reactions. Kakashi still intercepted Zabuza despite him being right in the middle of Team 7 and Tazuna, so attacking Kakashi directly is only going to mean that Kakashi blocks. Same goes for Killer B.


The clones are only for tricking, confusing him. Bee would strike them, but when he attacks them he is vulnerable from behind, he would notice Zabuzas silent killing to late after he is fooled by a clone feint.
He won't throw a ration pencil at a clone who will appear directly in front of him.
Bee is forced to use close combat and strikes, which makes him prone to a sneak attack.

He has no reason not to. He has no reason that'd force him into close combat with the clone, but even if he was forced into close combat, he'd one shot the clone with his Raiton Blades and then easily react to any incoming attack. Zabuza appeared right behind Team 7 and Tazuna on multiple occasions, yet Kakashi was fast enough to intercept him both times. A clone feint that won't even keep B's attention for more than a few seconds isn't going to matter.

And then from that point on, projectiles let him keep a good stance in case Zabuza tries to attack him.



Then there was no point in showing that eye off

ofc the sharingan works in the mist, thats why zabuza closed his eyes, being save from illusions

Zabuza has to get close to kill Kakashi, that's when Sharingan can catch him in Genjutsu if he's not careful.



Kakashi used the sharingan and his doges.
He has good senses, but in the Zabuza fight it wasn't shown. In gaiden he sniffed out some iwa jonins and located the invisible one with only vibrations in air, thats why he was able to save obito, sacrificing his left eye.
He even smelled that the bloody kunai the invisible iwa jonin used was thrown away by him shortly after he sliced Kakashis left eye.
The link you posted clearly is focused on the active sharingan before Kakashi defends himself from that shurikans.
He heard them before he turned his head around, so his senses definitely played a role.

He smelled the bloody Kunai. Those weren't bloody, so he didn't smell them coming, and Sharingan only grants him precognition, it's not going to let him perceive the Kunai in the Mist if he already couldn't see them, so that doesn't matter either.

Him hearing them is not only a baseless assumption, it completely goes against Zabuza's "Silent Killing" method. He didn't need his dogs to counter Zabuza in all those examples listed above.

covered above
He didn't need clones, but summons.
The use of clones would help one against Zabuzas clone feints, but killer bee lacks both summons and clones, and his normal eye sight is worse than the sharingan eye sight.
Mist renders sharingan not completely useless.



Kakashi even closed his normal eye only showing the sharingan off, proves that the sharingan works.
Pretty much all covered above.


Thats debatable, but i think at least it would immobilize him for a short time, i doubt bee would tank it without getting paralyzed.
That's exactly what happened with Chidori.

The distance between the target is much shorter jugo needed to jump high and then was pulled down by gravity, this are 2 steps.
kakashi breaks out of the earth directly under bee is faster imo.

Them being two steps doesn't mean that it's so much slower that B wouldn't be able to evade or counter, especially since Kakashi rising from the ground is harder to do since he can't move at top speed.

yes because of the sharingan precognition and due to not being paralyzed.

Except B>Kakashi even w/ Sharingan precog, and B wasn't paralyzed, he was shocked. Big difference.
 

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You may have a point with that except for Kakashi and Darui. Kakashi already showed he can react to Itachi in early shippuden and Darui has shown he can keep up with V1 Ay. Its not going to be a walk in the park for him with any of them in my opinion. Hes not about to just waltz up to them and wreck them when Asuma can blow he and his swords away with Futon should he start his SSD or spit out the Ash Cloud and ignite it, setting him on fire.

Kakashi in early Shippuden had a Sharingan, which lets him react faster than he can w/o it, much faster given feats from people like Sasuke with an extra tomoe and without said extra tomoe. Kakashi would get punked in close combat. All B needs to do is evade or counter any of his offensive techniques along the way, which shouldn't be hard. Eventually it has to become CQC since he has no long ranged move that is fast enough and strong enough to hit B w/o some kind of diversion.

As for Darui...

-C's hype.


-Ay's speed feat and Darui and C's reaction to said feat.




isn't conclusive evidence that Darui can match V1 Ay's full speed. Considering he has zero speed feats on the level of what Ay showed in this fight, and of what the 3rd showed against Naruto before and after this point in combination with the fact that C's hype of him in his V1 stage and Darui's own reaction to the point blank attack pretty much makes it clear that he can't match Ay in speed when Raiton is on. C made that clear.

Then there's the fact that using a combo attack like that is to prevent the target from escaping from either side. That doesn't work if one attacks earlier or later than the other. Taking all the other info into account, it's clear that Ay didn't go full speed for the sake of the combo attack.


I'll concede on Asuma Zabuza and Hidan but I think Kakashi, Darui and Temari beats him.
Temari is an if, depends on what the range of the match is, though once it becomes CQC it's GG. Darui and Kakashi don't win.


As for this statement, I don't know why you think this because I've never seen this stated anywhere. It makes no sense for people with Raiton nature to be immune to being paralyzed by someone else Raiton especially when the level of attacks can greatly differ too.

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Getting shocked is paralysis because the shocking is causing your muscles to contract thus paralyzing your body, (which is why Sasuke and Bee couldn't move) until the shock is over. Even after Chidori and Lighting Wave ended Bee and Sasuke were still on the ground with lighting emitting from them until shortly after being able to move again and it would leave an opening for lets say... someone faster than Jugo to kill him (Bee).

You might have a point, but no, someone faster than Jugo isn't guaranteed to be able to land a hit. He reacted to Jugo, and Shunshin'd an extremely far distance away. For anyone faster all he needs to do is react and counter.

But anyway. B, if he was paralyzed, was pretty much only paralyzed for a good second or two. Same goes for Sasuke, so that doesn't leave much of an opening.

More lightning brings more volts to shock and paralyze someone and I can say that if Bee was splashed with a little water from Suigetsu and was paralyzed from a Raiton the size of Sasukes hand, hes getting put down from being drenched in and hit with an attack of this .

He'd probably take a hit from Water Wall due to his close combat fighting style, but black panther is easily dodged. Once he forces CQC, it's over for Darui.
 

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And B still has superior reactions to that Kakashi even w/ his Sharingan, so B would be able to replicate the same feat.
okay i agree that base bee has better reactions than part 1 Kakashi

It's not worse. Kakashi can't see through the mist any better. Sharingan just lets him react faster due to precog, but since Killer B>>Part 1 Kakashi in reaction speed, he'd replicate what Kakashi did in the mist, but better.

Okay,you are right, Killer bees reactions and speed outweigh the lack of the sharingan.
Go a few pages farther, and you'll see that Kakashi managed to intercept him despite him going for a completely different target. If he had attacked Kakashi, he would've been blocked even easier, since it takes more time to go to where Zabuza and Tazuna are, and then block, than it is to block.
All right, i am not able to debate the close combat part anymore, Zabuza really is slow (manga wise)
Kakashi was able to react to him and what i noticed when i reread the pages, he even did let himself hit on purpose. I can't disagree.


It's literally the same thing, he was just able to get them like that because they are nowhere near Kakashi in speed or reactions. Kakashi still intercepted Zabuza despite him being right in the middle of Team 7 and Tazuna, so attacking Kakashi directly is only going to mean that Kakashi blocks. Same goes for Killer B.
Agree


He has no reason not to. He has no reason that'd force him into close combat with the clone, but even if he was forced into close combat, he'd one shot the clone with his Raiton Blades and then easily react to any incoming attack. Zabuza appeared right behind Team 7 and Tazuna on multiple occasions, yet Kakashi was fast enough to intercept him both times. A clone feint that won't even keep B's attention for more than a few seconds isn't going to matter.
Zabuza has still one way which may be effective against Killer bee.
He could make the water heavy like he did against Kakashi, after that he would create 6 clones which are keeping Bee busy for a short time while he preforms the water vortex.

The water vortex has a big impact which would push Killer bee inside the heavy made water. Killer bee who fights the clones won't see the attack coming in time and would be dragged with the jutsu into the prepared water.
The water would slow him down and Zabuza would be able to catch him with water prison, creates a clone who would cut through the water prison together with the immobilized Killer bee.

Zabuza has to get close to kill Kakashi, that's when Sharingan can catch him in Genjutsu if he's not careful.
I agree that Zabuza can't kill him in close combat only when he trapped him in water prison.

That's exactly what happened with Chidori.
Killer bee still was forced to the knees, ideal position to strike from beneath.

Them being two steps doesn't mean that it's so much slower that B wouldn't be able to evade or counter, especially since Kakashi rising from the ground is harder to do since he can't move at top speed.
Kakashi is faster than jugo and he proved many times that rising from underground isn't hard for him.
He forced pain to use ST to avoid his strike coming from beneath.
Itachi was able to react because of the sharingan and good reactions.
Killer bee who will be shocked kneeing on the ground won't react to a fast strike from underground.

Except B>Kakashi even w/ Sharingan precog, and B wasn't paralyzed, he was shocked. Big difference.
Okay, a shocked Killer bee who is sinking down to his knees won't dodge a attack from Kakashi coming from beneath.
Look at the panel again where he attacked deva path, he almost reached his face and deva path was standing while bee is kneeing, which means his body is closer the the layer of earth.
And that Kakashi who comes out of the ground may be a second raiton kage bunshin piercing killer bee and shock him again.
 
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