Naruto and Sasuke fans, is it possible...?

[DHOH]

i'm glad that sasuke finally grow up, but don't like his fanboys which keep saying they're equals bs.

Kishi clearly said that sasuke lost, yet his fans deny it.

part of the problem.

 

[UzumakiWade]

part of the problem.

I actually agree with this, although to be fair, that was Kishi's fault tbh, nobody asked him to make Sasuke say that he lost (Besides maybe Naruto fans O.O')

 

[take it easy]

part of the problem.

How they're equals if Sasuke said he lost to naruto? I don't get it.

 

[Desiigner]

No, I don't. Sasuke's attack and chakra level were on Hagoromo's level, not his battle prowess in general. He should get more credit for surviving such a devastating blow, not for the entire fight.

Yeah, I meant like at that moment he was stronger.

But then, if Naruto was on the 'defensive', why should he get even more credit for that?

In general, I just don't get this 'defensive' thing.
It really does not matter, imo. I wouldn't even disagree if someone told me that Naruto is/was stronger, because I too think that he is/was, but I just don't get what this defensive has to do with it?
Back in VOTE 1 we didn't bring that up either. The roles were reversed at that time. Naruto wanted to bring Sasuke back with all his power, while Sasuke just wanted to leave and therefore was on the 'defensive side'. (In the first 15 mins he even let Naruto punch him in the face.)
Just because Naruto said some words doesn't make him less/more powerful.
In VOTE 1, Naruto said he was gonna get him back, but that doesn't mean that Sasuke wasn't fighting with all his power.
And in VOTE 2, just because Sasuke said he'll kill him, doesn't mean that Naruto wasn't fighting with all his power.

 

[lndra]

People are like "Sasuke counters everything Naruto has" but yet they do not say "Naruto counters everything Sasuke has"

If Sasuke counters everything, and Naruto counters everything. Then who wins the fight? The one who can create more power (NE - Ashura Avatar), and the one who can last longer (Stamina - Chakra).

Yeah, Sasuke's techs are much stronger as he aged. But that reasoning is also valid for Naruto, as he was able to throw and control FRS at base as if it was a homing rocket. So the whole stronger techs is a pretty much laughable and circular reasoning.

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Sasuke in canon was being countered by Naruto who wasn't going on the offensive.[

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] This is proven by the fact that Sasuke was the first to charge in with PS. Yet Naruto in almost an instant

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] This also does not take into account that Naruto wasn't even flying between those clashes until the TBB vs Chidori clash.[

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] Then Sasuke himself noted that Naruto was going on the defensive the whole time Pre-TB PS. Naruto also again say he did not want to defeat Sasuke the way he is. [

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] Even when he was using his strongest attack.

Preta Path...yeah
Frog Kata is viable to counter Preta Path. [

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] Naruto's avatar can perform this feat considering that it perform one of Six Path Sage Mode's ability, which is flight. [

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] There is no reason why I shouldn't believe that.
Sasuke cannot use Susanoo or other techs due to the principle of reverse chakra flow.

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So Sasuke cannot use Susanoo and Preta Path at the same time. Which leads to...a very massive beating down from a Naruto with the intent to kill.

Animal Path. I don't want to know who even thinks that Animal Path will get more powerful, as it's only function is to summon animals with Rinnegan.
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There's pretty much nothing Animal Summons have that can even phase Naruto. Their blood gets plastered all over if they even try to kill Naruto.

Asura Path. Juubito tore through Four Red Yang Barrier that took in Juubi's TBB,

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Asura Path has in store. [

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] Naruto is more than a tier above Juubito. Asura Path's attacks gets tanked, deflected, penetrated, or cummed on.

Deva Path gets countered by Naruto sending his Chakra Arms into the ground to stabilize movement. [

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] Naruto getting send into Chibaku Tensei isn't happening. Not when Eight Tails Kurama can break through the meteor itself. [

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] Then there is also the fact that the Bijuus have to be put under genjutsu before their sealing. Even if Naruto were completely trap in a meteor, he can

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, use his

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(RSM powered), or summon his avatar to dig his way out of it. So it's meaningless to put him under a hole when he has the means to drill his way out.

Honestly nothing worth talking about with Human Path or all the other trivial abilities. (If you want explanation on the rest. Tell me)

 

[Shruikan]

How they're equals if Sasuke said he lost to naruto?

Because both of them are unable to move.A win is when there is a last man standing

 

[DHOH]

I actually agree with this, although to be fair, that was Kishi's fault tbh, nobody asked him to make Sasuke say that he lost (Besides maybe Naruto fans O.O')

But Sasuke did lose, the problem is what did he lose.. That's where the drama come from.

 

[Romy9]

Yeah, I meant like at that moment he was stronger.

But then, if Naruto was on the 'defensive', why should he get even more credit for that?

In general, I just don't get this 'defensive' thing.
It really does not matter, imo. I wouldn't even disagree if someone told me that Naruto is/was stronger, because I too think that he is/was, but I just don't get what this defensive has to do with it?
Back in VOTE 1 we didn't bring that up either. The roles were reversed at that time. Naruto wanted to bring Sasuke back with all his power, while Sasuke just wanted to leave and therefore was on the 'defensive side'. (In the first 15 mins he even let Naruto punch him in the face.)
Just because Naruto said some words doesn't make him less/more powerful.
In VOTE 1, Naruto said he was gonna get him back, but that doesn't mean that Sasuke wasn't fighting with all his power.
And in VOTE 2, just because Sasuke said he'll kill him, doesn't mean that Naruto wasn't fighting with all his power.

Because he withstood that level of power. If he withstood it, it means he's also on a similar level of power without the 8.5 Bijuu combined in his attack. I'm just logically deducting here.

 

[DHOH]

How they're equals if Sasuke said he lost to naruto? I don't get it.

It's what he lost that you don't get..

 

[Nagi]

How they're equals if Sasuke said he lost to naruto?

They was never equal. Sasuke was stronger than him the whole time until naruto got chakra mode. After that....shit just become unfair for Sasuke. But hey..that's life.

 

[DHOH]

People are like "Sasuke counters everything Naruto has" but yet they do not say "Naruto counters everything Sasuke has"

If Sasuke counters everything, and Naruto counters everything. Then who wins the fight? The one who can create more power (NE - Ashura Avatar), and the one who can last longer (Stamina - Chakra).

Yeah, Sasuke's techs are much stronger as he aged. But that reasoning is also valid for Naruto, as he was able to throw and control FRS at base as if it was a homing rocket. So the whole stronger techs is a pretty much laughable and circular reasoning.

Spoiler

Sasuke in canon was being countered by Naruto who wasn't going on the offensive.[

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] This is proven by the fact that Sasuke was the first to charge in with PS. Yet Naruto in almost an instant

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.[

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][

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][

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][

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] This also does not take into account that Naruto wasn't even flying between those clashes until the TBB vs Chidori clash.[

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][

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] Then Sasuke himself noted that Naruto was going on the defensive the whole time Pre-TB PS. Naruto also again say he did not want to defeat Sasuke the way he is. [

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][

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] Even when he was using his strongest attack.

Preta Path...yeah
Frog Kata is viable to counter Preta Path. [

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][

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] Naruto's avatar can perform this feat considering that it perform one of Six Path Sage Mode's ability, which is flight. [

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] There is no reason why I shouldn't believe that.
Sasuke cannot use Susanoo or other techs due to the principle of reverse chakra flow.

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So Sasuke cannot use Susanoo and Preta Path at the same time. Which leads to...a very massive beating down from a Naruto with the intent to kill.

Animal Path. I don't want to know who even thinks that Animal Path will get more powerful, as it's only function is to summon animals with Rinnegan.
[

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There's pretty much nothing Animal Summons have that can even phase Naruto. Their blood gets plastered all over if they even try to kill Naruto.

Asura Path. Juubito tore through Four Red Yang Barrier that took in Juubi's TBB,

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Asura Path has in store. [

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][

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] Naruto is more than a tier above Juubito. Asura Path's attacks gets tanked, deflected, penetrated, or cummed on.

Deva Path gets countered by Naruto sending his Chakra Arms into the ground to stabilize movement. [

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][

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] Naruto getting send into Chibaku Tensei isn't happening. Not when Eight Tails Kurama can break through the meteor itself. [

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] Then there is also the fact that the Bijuus have to be put under genjutsu before their sealing. Even if Naruto were completely trap in a meteor, he can

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, use his

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(RSM powered), or summon his avatar to dig his way out of it. So it's meaningless to put him under a hole when he has the means to drill his way out.

Honestly nothing worth talking about with Human Path or all the other trivial abilities. (If you want explanation on the rest. Tell me)

It's pretty obvious when arguing with someone who thinks Naruto is superior and the other thinks they are equal lol.

 

[Romy9]

They was never equal. Sasuke was stronger than him the whole time until naruto got chakra mode. After that....shit just become unfair for Sasuke. But hey..that's life.

What you don't get is that being a Jin isn't a privilege, but ability. There's a reason why no one else besides Naruto could host the Kyuubi. Being able to use a Bijuu is an ability, not a handout.

 

[UzumakiWade]

But Sasuke did lose, the problem is what did he lose.. That's where the drama come from.

Damn, i think your the first fan of Sasuke EVER, to admit Sasuke lost. But yeah true, the main argument is the "He lost in battle of ideas, not in the phsyical battle"

 

[take it easy]

Because both of them are unable to move.A win is when there is a last man standing

And as you know Naruto wake up first.

P.S Naruto RSM=Rinnegan Sasuke with bijuus> Rinnegan Sasuke without bijuus.

 

[Dantee]

Damn, i think your the first fan of Sasuke EVER, to admit Sasuke lost. But yeah true, the main argument is the "He lost in battle of ideas, not in the phsyical battle"

Pretty much confirmed a few weeks before the FB, when the Last dropped Sasuke was going to change his mind

 

[Desiigner]

Because he withstood that level of power. If he withstood it, it means he's also on a similar level of power without the 8.5 Bijuu combined in his attack. I'm just logically deducting here.

Okay, if you say so. Tbh, I don't know much more to talk about. You could read the last two sentences again, to know where I'm coming from.

But eh, thanks for your opinion, but I still respectfully disagree. Have a nice day though.

 

[NarutoOfUzumaki]

They was never equal. Sasuke was stronger than him the whole time until naruto got chakra mode. After that....shit just become unfair for Sasuke. But hey..that's life.

SM Naruto > MS Sasuke doe.

 

[DHOH]

Damn, i think your the first fan of Sasuke EVER, to admit Sasuke lost. But yeah true, the main argument is the "He lost in battle of ideas, not in the phsyical battle"

Lol you're wrong, I've seen plenty of Sasuke fans say that.. Like I said it's all about what he lost. But we agree on what he lost.

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

The reason that Naruto/Sasuke discussions rarely work out goes far beyond "opposing sides" (which is already generalizing two entire fanbases).

So long as there is hostility in the way that people present their arguments (in ANY kind of argument that involves power, a versus scenario, etc) then there won't ever be "peaceful" discussion.

Adding unnecessary GGs, /threads and things like that when someone posts an argument or a rebuttal will only aggravate and/or offend the other side, which prompts them to respond in the same manner, and so on and so forth.

The way to get around this is to always treat another member with respect, no matter if they share the same opinion as you or not. Don't resort to bashing/insulting them. And even if they bash you first, do not retaliate. Respond in a calm, calculated manner, as if the fact they insulted you never happened.

If you bash someone as a response to them bashing you, even if they "started it", the cycle is just gonna keep repeating itself. Instead, respect them as you would anyone else. If everyone posted like this, that would probably get rid of the problem~

 

[Nagi]

What you don't get is that being a Jin isn't a privilege, but ability. There's a reason why no one else besides Naruto could host the Kyuubi. Being able to use a Bijuu is an ability, not a handout.

oh so the 4th hokage just use chakra mode just like that with no problem. Point is Sasuke stop being in the same room as naruto once that chakra mode came into play.

I don't know what the problem is here.. Im clearly stating Naruto > Sasuke here.