[VS] Minato VS Tobirama

[Great Master Minato]

Ok...I Know It Has Been Done So Many Time Before & I Saw Good Arguments For Both Sides...So Who's Really Stronger? 4th Or 2nd?

Location: Open Field

Intel: Manga

Restrictions: Kurama For Minato

Distance: 50-100m

Note: I Don't Want Any Minato Solos Or Tobirama Neg Diff...Please Explain Your Reasons as Why You Think One of These Two Hokages Is Superior To Other One...I Want Solid Argument For Either of Them.

Discuss...

 

[LuckyMan]

Minato wins, but I favor Tobirama over him. I personally think Tobirama is stronger but because of his sheer lack of feats, Minato beats him.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Ok...Any Other Opinion? (Don't Forget Explanation)

 

[DMT]

I believe that Tobirama is stronger than Base Minato, simply because of their feats

BM Minato > KCM Minato = Tobirama

 

[Great Master Minato]

Just Added The Poll Guys.

 

[KingHashirama]

Tobirama... only thing Minato has on Tobirama is shunshin.. which is not that big of a deal.
Tobirama overall is the stronger shinobi, as portrayed when all Hokage are revived.


If you claim Minato is stronger than Tobirama.. don't hesitate to claim Hiruzen is stronger than Hashirama. all the Hokage come in a pair.

 

[Amaterasu]

Tobiramq wins, he is more versatile and can ise his Suiton techs, Minato has only Rasengan.

 

[RicardoA]

I think Minato would pull it off with a lot of struggle.
Mainly because of their fighting style. This would be inherently be a fight of speed, where Minato is slightly superior.

Who's stronger overall is another thing. I personally think of Minato as being superior just by a scratch, but a good case could be made for Tobirama.

 

[Demonic.]

Their arsenals pretty much mirror each other's with a few minor details:

-They both have FTG, but Minato's foot speed is faster (by Tobirama's own admission) and he has more prepped kunai which would allow him to evade Tobirama's attacks more easily and makes it more likely to mark Tobirama first, or land a Rasengan.

-Minato's usage with FTG is also superior to Tobirama's (FTG barrier etc)

-I believe Tobirama has the edge when it comes to shadow clones due to higher chakra levels

-Minato has boss summons which can serve as the perfect distraction. Without edo Tensei, I don't see how Tobirama deals with boss summons, Bunta tanked Shukaku's Wind Bullets. Maybe Tobirama can cut it up with suiton.

Minato high diff.

 

[KidGamer65]

Boss summons would probably give Minato the edge, cause it's a complete and perfect tie when it comes to Hiraishin.

-Both have shown to mark weapons.

-Both have the reaction speed to evade each other's blows by teleportation.

-Minato has his barrier, but that's useless.

-Minato has more marked Kunai, but that doesn't matter either.

Though one issue is determining whose reaction speed is superior. DB hypes Minato up a lot, but I haven't really seen that, so I can't really judge it. On the other hand, Juubito took off Minato's arm before he could jump while Tobirama reacted to Juubito's blitz and marked him, at the cost of half his body....but meh.

I'll give it to Minato.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Their arsenals pretty much mirror each other's with a few minor details:

-They both have FTG, but Minato's foot speed is faster (by Tobirama's own admission) and he has more prepped kunai which would allow him to evade Tobirama's attacks more easily and makes it more likely to mark Tobirama first, or land a Rasengan.

-Minato's usage with FTG is also superior to Tobirama's (FTG barrier etc)

-I believe Tobirama has the edge when it comes to shadow clones due to higher chakra levels

-Minato has boss summons which can serve as the perfect distraction. Without edo Tensei, I don't see how Tobirama deals with boss summons, Bunta tanked Shukaku's Wind Bullets. Maybe Tobirama can cut it up with suiton.

Minato high diff.

Now That's What I Call an Argument

Anyone Can Make an Argument Like This For Tobirama? Or Another Argument For Minato?

Boss summons would probably give Minato the edge, cause it's a complete and perfect tie when it comes to Hiraishin.

-Both have shown to mark weapons.

-Both have the reaction speed to evade each other's blows by teleportation.

-Minato has his barrier, but that's useless.

-Minato has more marked Kunai, but that doesn't matter either.

Though one issue is determining whose reaction speed is superior. DB hypes Minato up a lot, but I haven't really seen that, so I can't really judge it. On the other hand, Juubito took off Minato's arm before he could jump while Tobirama reacted to Juubito's blitz and marked him, at the cost of half his body....but meh.

I'll give it to Minato.

Two Arguments In Minato's Favor So Far...Thanks Bro.

Anyone Wants To Debate For Tobirama?

 

[Amaterasu]

Oh wow I forgot Boss Summons, they easily give Minato the advantage. Suiton techs are countered by Gamabunta's Toad Oil Bullet.

 

[Lariatoo]

I think that by overral feats Minato wins. Best mastery of FTG and better shunshin and Boss summons + rasengan > Suiton + Gojo

 

[Gold Lightning]

Superior usage of FTG alone gives Minato the win. FTG and speed is what the battle will come down to at the end of the day. Minatos dozens of marked Kunai give him the advantage. While Tobirama has only shown to utilise one marked Kunai in battle, Tobirama has either only shown one, having to mark on the fly, or leech off Minatos chakra link. As soon as minato spreads his Kunai across the field, it's in his ball park. It allows for more versatility, feints, more escape routes, more blind sided attacks and more combinations. He can literally flicker from Kunai to Kunai in quick succession and appear from any side of Tobirama, and therefore overwhelm him with teleportation. There will be no reacting to an attack that can come from any blind sided angle in an instant.

Clones are useless, they get wiped out in an instant, numbers don't make a difference in an FTG flooded environment. Otherwise minato counters with his own clones, a pointless move.

 

[Daybreaker]

lol fanboy shit.

Tobirama is stronger. Izuna close to Madara. Tobirama > Izuna. Minato not even close to that level. /thread

 

[Daybreaker]

Superior usage of FTG alone gives Minato the win. FTG and speed is what the battle will come down to at the end of the day. Minatos dozens of marked Kunai give him the advantage. While Tobirama has only shown to utilise one marked Kunai in battle, Tobirama has either only shown one, having to mark on the fly, or leech off Minatos chakra link. As soon as minato spreads his Kunai across the field, it's in his ball park. It allows for more versatility, feints, more escape routes, more blind sided attacks and more combinations. He can literally flicker from Kunai to Kunai in quick succession and appear from any side of Tobirama, and therefore overwhelm him with teleportation. There will be no reacting to an attack that can come from any blind sided angle in an instant.

Clones are useless, they get wiped out in an instant, numbers don't make a difference in an FTG flooded environment. Otherwise minato counters with his own clones, a pointless move.

Tobirama can mark many kunais. lol. Marking kunais is not a special feat buddy.

 

[maniaoqan]

Minato is better at FTG than Tobirama but even with inferior FTG Tobirama could hold his ground against Minato. Based on Ninjutsu feats I would say Tobirama is more versatile than Minato there for stronger. But Minato covers his lack of feats with Toad Summons. Therefor his summons gives him the edge he needs against Tobirama. But without summons I don't think Minato could defeat Tobirama.

 

[Unorthodox]

Sasuke solos both

 

[Daybreaker]

Sasuke solos both

Itachi solos all.

 

[Great Master Minato]

lol fanboy shit.

Tobirama is stronger. Izuna close to Madara. Tobirama > Izuna. Minato not even close to that level. /thread

Uh No...Tobirama > MS Izuna = MS Madara.
Obito Is The Strongest MS User Who Got Stomped By Minato.

Minato is better at FTG than Tobirama but even with inferior FTG Tobirama could hold his ground against Minato. Based on Ninjutsu feats I would say Tobirama is more versatile than Minato there for stronger. But Minato covers his lack of feats with Toad Summons. Therefor his summons gives him the edge he needs against Tobirama. But without summons I don't think Minato could defeat Tobirama.

Tobirama Can't Beat Minato With Suiton Alone...He Needs ET & Minato Can Counter With Boss Summons.