[Discussion] Am I the only one?

[Transcendence]

I was surprised she would sponsor that tbh.

I would imagine she got payed enough, haha.

 

[Xlad]

Don't get me wrong. It's in our DNA to love the other ***'s body. But so many outlets in media take it so far. How many successful, popular music videos do you see nowadays that don't have multiple half naked women dancing? That number is probably really small.

Of course. That's pretty much the gist of what I'm getting at.

 

[Mahesvara]

I would imagine she got payed enough, haha.

Lol true, even someone like Liam got into phone app gaming advertising XD

[video=youtube;GC2qk2X3fKA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC2qk2X3fKA[/video]

 

[Wabbit]

Were those values ever relevant? The idea of womens body is sacred, especially religious values on that matter looks to me a like discipline established among men by men rather than seeing women in respectable way. You need some order after all.

It is confusing,celebs and models want to be objects of desire. They sue when some one makes money off their photos or nudes, like they are setting a limit. When it comes to prostitutes they sell ***. If one rapes a prostitutes, will it be like some one stole from her?

 

[Desanto]

So...I guess this is confirmation that you don't approve of Tip Drill. Lol

 

[tochirama]

Men i support you what ever happened to values

 

[Edenia]

Glad you are one! But it is exactly what sells..

 

[Ken Kaneki]

I for one am disagree with you completely on this one.
There is a other side to it you see. Earlier men also did not walk around half naked. Now everyone has to have a six pack or an eight pack. I am sure women enjoy that too. So it evns out. And your body should be your body, I.e. your rights. If you want to show it who am I to stop you ? For whatever the reason if you want your body to be treated like a temple don't do such stuff. So it is an individuals choice. Don't put women up on the pedestal and worship them. They may not want you to.
I live in a third world nation which is pretty backward in its thinking sometimes. Yet sometimes at a bar or at a restaurant I have seen a girl who is in a sexy outfit and smiled at her. The girls have many times smiled back, even when they were out with their boyfriend. Doesn't mean we hook up. Means that she likes other people appreciating her even if she is committed. So let others dress up however they want.

 

[~Ethereal~]

Yeah, I agree to some degree...but those themselves wanted to be seen that way.

 

[Conspirator.]

I for one am disagree with you completely on this one.
There is a other side to it you see. Earlier men also did not walk around half naked. Now everyone has to have a six pack or an eight pack. I am sure women enjoy that too. So it evns out. And your body should be your body, I.e. your rights. If you want to show it who am I to stop you ? For whatever the reason if you want your body to be treated like a temple don't do such stuff. So it is an individuals choice. Don't put women up on the pedestal and worship them. They may not want you to.
I live in a third world nation which is pretty backward in its thinking sometimes. Yet sometimes at a bar or at a restaurant I have seen a girl who is in a sexy outfit and smiled at her. The girls have many times smiled back, even when they were out with their boyfriend. Doesn't mean we hook up. Means that she likes other people appreciating her even if she is committed. So let others dress up however they want.

Definitely this.

OT: You have a point, but the issue is that a plethora of those celebrities, models etc choose to present themselves in that manner, and are thus objectifying themselves. A lot of women seem to like such people too. That is the problem:What if the girl does NOT want her body viewed as some "sacred temple"?

 

[paratise]

I find this "sacred temple" definition is odd in this regard too. Woman body is just a body, half of the humans have it and if some sacrecy is involved it is as sacred as a man's body, it should be.

Going back on main topic, i find how *** is presented in media disgusting from beginning to end. For manh years people were more inclined to believe that women have no sexual desires while men have it at utmost levels, our society still has that sorts of beliefs regarding to women/men *** drives. And after you say something a lot, it becomes a reality. Media takes this already existing unwritten rule and uses it for their own benefits in advertisement. Whereas women sexuality is presented as something more ought to be hidden so they present forbidden love stories with vampires or 50 shades of Gray with undercovered desires, secrets and adventures.

In short there are a lot of exposure for fanservicing men and a lot of secrets for fanservicing women. Because that's what they have being tought about their sexual desires, "girls should keep it to themselves". That's why one would get appaled by presentation of women because there is high amount of quantity of people and physical exposure.

In the end, yes i get appaled too. Too many unrealism, too many forced standarts. Those desire objects build a false reality and nobody in false reality says "well i am in a false reality". But as i said i dislike the idea of how *** presented in media and cultures to begin with.

 

[1Told]

the moment male supremacy was achieved is when the female and child became a simple product of mass consumption, it's a very very old shitty story and we are slowly coming to the point of no return.

even Athens the oldest democracy which gave birth to so many rights and laws we still use today was a piece of macho crap and treated females and children like sub-humans aka slaves.

rape culture, *** exploitation, domestic slavery, acceptance of pedophilia as a normal behavior are all linked to that problem and these are just the tip of the iceberg, let's not talk about how modern feminism is another weapon against both males and females emancipation and growth...

 

[Frankenstein]

Those cliche phrases with the temples and stuff go too far but it's true that some decades ago women looked more feminine if you like in a more classy way so to say. Nowadays it's either the plastic doll model or the pornstar look that is promoted by the media.

 

[paratise]

Those cliche phrases with the temples and stuff go too far but it's true that some decades ago women looked more feminine if you like in a more classy way so to say. Nowadays it's either the plastic doll model or the pornstar look that is promoted by the media.

Classy look was promoted by media too. People should not be obligated to live up to certain type of looks enforced by media or social views of beauty.

 

[Sugiyama]

Fortunately, you're not the only one. Unfortunately, this opinion represents the minority; Lots seek just that and want just that . I have yet to see a successful show completely 'clean' from fanservice whichever form it takes. That's how marketing works. It has no virtues, no values, no nothing. Objectifying human beings is fine As long as it satisfies the mainstream, and as long as it generates profit. It happens currently for both genders, but not equally, women body has been used for centuries, and is still used to this day even more than their male counterpart .Yes, people are free to wear whatever they desire, and that's one thing. Wearing such things deliberately to 'sell'/promote something else is another thing entirely and it'sd Unrespectable to ones value as a human. IMO.

 

[Transcendence]

Were those values ever relevant? The idea of womens body is sacred, especially religious values on that matter looks to me a like discipline established among men by men rather than seeing women in respectable way. You need some order after all.

It is confusing,celebs and models want to be objects of desire. They sue when some one makes money off their photos or nudes, like they are setting a limit. When it comes to prostitutes they sell ***. If one rapes a prostitutes, will it be like some one stole from her?

Yes I think they were. Our society has "evolved" to the point where we exploit anything for the benefit of something. Abusing the whole "race card" in America to get a longstanding story in the media is just one of the many things the media does.

Men i support you what ever happened to values

So many people don't have them anymore.

I for one am disagree with you completely on this one.
There is a other side to it you see. Earlier men also did not walk around half naked. Now everyone has to have a six pack or an eight pack. I am sure women enjoy that too. So it evns out. And your body should be your body, I.e. your rights. If you want to show it who am I to stop you ? For whatever the reason if you want your body to be treated like a temple don't do such stuff. So it is an individuals choice. Don't put women up on the pedestal and worship them. They may not want you to.
I live in a third world nation which is pretty backward in its thinking sometimes. Yet sometimes at a bar or at a restaurant I have seen a girl who is in a sexy outfit and smiled at her. The girls have many times smiled back, even when they were out with their boyfriend. Doesn't mean we hook up. Means that she likes other people appreciating her even if she is committed. So let others dress up however they want.

I did not mean for it to come off as worship. I'll explain it in a reply to another post so you see. And no, you're sorely mistaken. You don't HAVE to have a six or eight pack. Half the time it isn't even for "picking up girls". I know so many guys who do it just to feel more confident about themselves or just to be healthy.

I find this "sacred temple" definition is odd in this regard too. Woman body is just a body, half of the humans have it and if some sacrecy is involved it is as sacred as a man's body, it should be.

Going back on main topic, i find how *** is presented in media disgusting from beginning to end. For manh years people were more inclined to believe that women have no sexual desires while men have it at utmost levels, our society still has that sorts of beliefs regarding to women/men *** drives. And after you say something a lot, it becomes a reality. Media takes this already existing unwritten rule and uses it for their own benefits in advertisement. Whereas women sexuality is presented as something more ought to be hidden so they present forbidden love stories with vampires or 50 shades of Gray with undercovered desires, secrets and adventures.

In short there are a lot of exposure for fanservicing men and a lot of secrets for fanservicing women. Because that's what they have being tought about their sexual desires, "girls should keep it to themselves". That's why one would get appaled by presentation of women because there is high amount of quantity of people and physical exposure.

In the end, yes i get appaled too. Too many unrealism, too many forced standarts. Those desire objects build a false reality and nobody in false reality says "well i am in a false reality". But as i said i dislike the idea of how *** presented in media and cultures to begin with.

Those cliche phrases with the temples and stuff go too far but it's true that some decades ago women looked more feminine if you like in a more classy way so to say. Nowadays it's either the plastic doll model or the pornstar look that is promoted by the media.

Yeah, it was a weird choice of words. But I meant it along a different line of thinking. I got the idea when I was on twitter and there was this thing called the "Twitter purge". Basically it was guys exposing the nude pictures of women that sent them to them. And I found it stupid because the way I thought at the time (and still do to an extent); if a girl/woman actually decides to show you her body, what right do you have to shame it or exploit it at all? It's pathetic. It completely coincides with the whole sexual conquest thing, rather than actually cherishing a loved one when you have ***. I agree with the rest of your post.

Fortunately, you're not the only one. Unfortunately, this opinion represents the minority; Lots seek just that and want just that . I have yet to see a successful show completely 'clean' from fanservice whichever form it takes. That's how marketing works. It has no virtues, no values, no nothing. Objectifying human beings is fine As long as it satisfies the mainstream, and as long as it generates profit. It happens currently for both genders, but not equally, women body has been used for centuries, and is still used to this day even more than their male counterpart .Yes, people are free to wear whatever they desire, and that's one thing. Wearing such things deliberately to 'sell'/promote something else is another thing entirely and it'sd Unrespectable to ones value as a human. IMO.

I hate what it has come to. I've seen maybe one T.V. show that didn't have to exploit things like that, but it was so long ago.

 

[Sugiyama]

I hate what it has come to. I've seen maybe one T.V. show that didn't have to exploit things like that, but it was so long ago.

I've It's dreadful, but that's the type of society we're living in. :/

 

[BlacLord™]

I don't mind as long as male bodies can be taken with equal nonchalance. On a personal note, I'm more interested in more clothed people anyway, more mystery.

I don't know about the U.S. but the UK has come a LONG way on that front since the 1970s.

 

[Transcendence]

I don't mind as long as male bodies can be taken with equal nonchalance. On a personal note, I'm more interested in more clothed people anyway, more mystery.

I don't know about the U.S. but the UK has come a LONG way on that front since the 1970s.

Well the male body is, sometimes. But nowhere near the same amount. And I'm like you in that regard. I'm not American so I wouldn't know. It just depends on the area you're from here.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

So...I guess this is confirmation that you don't approve of Tip Drill. Lol

Pretty much. Lol