Base Hashirama vs EMS Sasuke

[KidGamer65]

^ Already proved it in my second post. I suggest you take your head out of your ass and read it, and counter it, or fall back. This Sasuke wang riding is getting pretty irritating.

 

[Unorthodox]

^ Already proved it in my second post. I suggest you take your head out of your ass and read it, and counter it, or fall back. This Sasuke wang riding is getting pretty irritating.

you didnt prove shit your comparing Kurama's avatar to the real thing when the bm avatar has outdone any feat 100% Kurama has so that argument holds is insanely irrelevant especially since Bijuu without host are literally fodder kisame took out the 5 tails without barely a touch and Kakuzu and hidan fodders the 2 tails. BM Kurama > 100% Kurama in every state especially physical prowess

 

[Haizaki]

^ Already proved it in my second post. I suggest you take your head out of your ass and read it, and counter it, or fall back. This Sasuke wang riding is getting pretty irritating.

Lmao did you even read his counter to my post? Damn.

 

[Unorthodox]

Lmao did you even read his counter to my post? Damn.

quit looking for kidgamers support in just try in counter it with using reasonable logic.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmao did you even read his counter to my post? Damn.

I tried, but I saw fanfic like PS Chidori, so I didn't even bother. I'll read it now but I expect it to be garbage.

you didnt prove shit your comparing Kurama's avatar to the real thing when the bm avatar has outdone any feat 100% Kurama

Except it hasn't. By feats, the largest Bijuu Dama Kurama has ever made was inside Naruto's mind. Not to mention the power of the Bijuu Dama has jack shit to do with physical strength.

has so that argument holds is insanely irrelevant especially since Bijuu without host are literally fodder kisame took out the 5 tails without barely a touch and Kakuzu and hidan fodders the 2 tails.

Bijuu who roam in the wild and lose their intelligence are fodder. We've already seen Kurama's power w/o a Jinchuuriki, and Hidan and Kakuzu fought Yugito, not Matatabi.

BM Kurama > 100% Kurama in every state especially physical prowess

When you can prove this, then we can talk. Until then, I'll go with the larger version of the same entity having the superior physical power.

 

[Haizaki]

quit looking for kidgamers support in just try in counter it with using reasonable logic.

Lmfaoooo You dare say reasonable logic? Youre a complete joke. I'll counter don't worry.

 

[RustledJimmies]

Either DB doesn't discriminate between both Mokujin, or PS and Mokujin are both leagues above Full Kurama in physical strength. Either way, not really important here.

If he flys, he can't take out Mokujin or Hashirama.

What do you mean with the first paragraph? Did the DB state something about Mokujin that would put it on par with PS in base?

And what stops him from flying and slashing his sword?

 

[Unorthodox]

Except it hasn't. By feats, the largest Bijuu Dama Kurama has ever made was inside Naruto's mind. Not to mention the power of the Bijuu Dama has jack shit to do with physical strength.

@Bold

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you literally killing youself Naruto shown a barrage of like 13 kurama sized rasengans without using its chakra inside his mind yet never shown that outside of his mind get a clue. Well lets See Kurama fought on par with Sasuke's perfect susanoo and even matched it in a fist bump block a ps blade with his tail withstood a laser from juubi screamed away 5 bijuu choked them up and restrained them. No way in hell 100% kurama does this main reason its made of flesh in bone and with a host Bijuu are much stronger.

Bijuu who roam in the wild and lose their intelligence are fodder. We've already seen Kurama's power w/o a Jinchuuriki, and Hidan and Kakuzu fought Yugito, not Matatabi.

where in the world did this come from those bijuu we're not roaming in the wild they have been in a host Yugito/Roushi also we've seen when Madara first tamed kurama who have been in the wild for a long time that it had a clear mind

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Get that bs out chea.

When you can prove this, then we can talk. Until then, I'll go with the larger version of the same entity having the superior physical power.

read above. being larger means nothing when your weaker in every category and also would'nt having more physical power means your faster? huh if thats the case ima close the casket on this in saying BM kurama speed feats >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100% Kurama keeping up with a flying juubito is all that needs to be said

 

[KidGamer65]

What do you mean with the first paragraph? Did the DB state something about Mokujin that would put it on par with PS in base?

My second post shows the entry. It puts it on par with 100% Kyuubi in physical power. In Base. So either DB doesn't discriminate between both Mokujin, and that PS=Full Kyuubi=Mokujin in physical power.....or SM Mokujin=PS>>>Mokujin>Sasuke's PS in physical power.

I'm leaning towards the latter though, since it makes no sense for Sage Mode to not empower Hashirama's jutsu. But my point remains the same either way.

And what stops him from flying and slashing his sword?

He can try it, but like I said, he can't take it down like that. Madara has the superior Susanoo, swung his blade yet somehow Mokujin survived. Either it tanked the blade (unlikely) or it evaded the attack. Either way, Sasuke is going to need to come down and take it out. Then there's the fact that he's not going to get far into the air against a possibly larger, and a far superior physical construct. It'd grab him and pull/hit him back down to the ground.

Or Hashirama just tanks with Hobi.

 

[Unorthodox]

Lmfaoooo You dare say reasonable logic? Youre a complete joke. I'll counter don't worry.

if your not going to reply to my post then there nothing left to be discussed your dismissed besides i perfer kidgamer over his follower anyways im a master he's your leader only fitting i challenge the head of the pack instead of the second in charge

Lol at people using databook for a source if it phucks up at one place its phucked everwhere

 

[KidGamer65]

@Bold

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you literally killing youself Naruto shown a barrage of like 13 kurama sized rasengans without using its chakra inside his mind yet never shown that outside of his mind get a clue.

You are going to have to prove that being inside Naruto's mind would somehow make Kurama stronger. That shit doesn't even begin to make sense. I've seen people use the Naruto excuse before, which is understandable. He showed abilities he didn't have in real life..but Kurama? Really now? Proof or be gone.

Then there's the fact that they weren't Kurama sized Rasengan, and there's the fact that War Arc Naruto can use an FRS larger than that of a Bijuu, despite fighting against Obito, Juubito, and others before hand, so him using a Rasengan barrage in his mind, where he can continuously take in Nature Energy due to being still in real life, isn't surprising.

]Well lets See Kurama fought on par with Sasuke's perfect susanoo and even matched it in a fist bump block a ps blade with his tail withstood a laser from juubi screamed away 5 bijuu choked them up and restrained them. No way in hell 100% kurama does this main reason its made of flesh in bone and with a host Bijuu are much stronger.

So basically you have no proof. Relaying Naruto's feats isn't proof that their physical power changes. Flesh and bone isn't proof that the physical power changes.

where in the world did this come from those bijuu we're not roaming in the wild they have been in a host Yugito/Roushi also we've seen when Madara first tamed kurama who have been in the wild for a long time that it had a clear mind

Oh lol. Then that makes your case much worse. Those "Bijuu" weren't Perfect Jinchuuriki. I have no reason to take their display and compare it to that of a regular Bijuu's. Try again.

read above. being larger means nothing when your weaker in every category and also would'nt having more physical power means your faster? huh if thats the case ima close the casket on this in saying BM kurama speed feats >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100% Kurama keeping up with a flying juubito is all that needs to be said

Weaker in every category? No feat supports that.

Except:


1. There is no feat that proves 100% Kurama can't replicate the same thing (So your point is moot)...but it can't, and I'll explain why.

2. BM Kurama's reactions are dependent on Naruto since he's controlling the Avatar. Naruto's reactions in BM>Kurama's on it's own, so despite Full Kurama having more physical power, BM Kurama strikes faster since Naruto reacts faster than Kurama ever will.

3. Sage Half Kurama w/ Sage Kyuubi Naruto as a pilot>>>Full Kurama on it's own, hence it having better speed feats.


Does this prove that Kurama is physically inferior to it's Avatar counterpart? No. Try again buddy.

 

[lndra]

Hashirama stomps

 

[RustledJimmies]

Lol shit, accidentally posted. Will reply to the rest.

My second post shows the entry. It puts it on par with 100% Kyuubi in physical power. In Base. So either DB doesn't discriminate between both Mokujin, and that PS=Full Kyuubi=Mokujin in physical power.....or SM Mokujin=PS>>>Mokujin>Sasuke's PS in physical power.

I'm leaning towards the latter though, since it makes no sense for Sage Mode to not empower Hashirama's jutsu. But my point remains the same either way.

Which doesn't make any sense, assuming the DB was talking about physical strength (as nowhere in that sentence did the DB mention physical strength), it says "it was on par...", "was" indicates that back in the fight, they were on par, or rather, they were fighting on par with each other, which doesn't really make any sense, considering they never fought in CQC, the only thing Mokujin did was grab Kurama's Bijuu Dama and throw it back at it, then get obliterated. Considering the events from the manga and the way that sentence is formed, you can only come to two conclusions:

1- It wasn't talking about physical strength, instead, it was talking about overall power, and directly contradicting the events from the manga (Mokujin was never on par with Kurama).

2- It was talking about physical power, but was poorly translated, because nowhere in that sentence does it mention physical power, and even if it was talking about physical strength, the wording indicates that they were on par back in the VotE, which makes absolutely no sense, considering they never fought at close range. If it said that "it's on par...", then your interpretation would be correct.

He can try it, but like I said, he can't take it down like that. Madara has the superior Susanoo, swung his blade yet somehow Mokujin survived. Either it tanked the blade (unlikely) or it evaded the attack. Either way, Sasuke is going to need to come down and take it out.

My initial point was Sasuke being able to stop Mokujin from catching his blade, not that he's capable of taking it down. If he can't take it down in the air, why would he be able to take it down while he's on the ground?

Then there's the fact that he's not going to get far into the air against a possibly larger, and a far superior physical construct. It'd grab him and pull/hit him back down to the ground.

If Mokujin grabs Susano'o, then what stops it from slashing his sword on Mokujin's hand? And what strength feat would allow it to hold down a Bijuu sized Susano'o? Even if it's equal to Kurama in physical strength, I can't recall Kurama performing such a thing with physical strength alone.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol shit, accidentally posted.



Which doesn't make any sense, assuming the DB was talking about physical strength (as nowhere in that sentence did the DB mention physical strength), it says "it was on par...", "was" indicates that back in the fight, they were on par, or rather, they were fighting on par with each other, which doesn't really make any sense, considering they never fought in CQC, the only thing Mokujin did was grab Kurama's Bijuu Dama and throw it back at it, then get obliterated. Considering the events from the manga and the way that sentence is formed, you can only come to two conclusions:

The translator made a notation. It was talking about physical power.

1- It wasn't talking about physical strength, instead, it was talking about overall power, and directly contradicting the events from the manga (Mokujin was never on par with Kurama).

Definitely not.

2- It was talking about physical power, but was poorly translated, because nowhere in that sentence does it mention physical power, and even if it was talking about physical strength, the wording indicates that they were on par back in the VotE, which makes absolutely no sense, considering they never fought at close range. If it said that "it's on par...", then your interpretation would be correct.

This right here.

 

[RustledJimmies]

The translator made a notation. It was talking about physical power.


Definitely not.



This right here.

And considering how poor the translation was, what makes the translator's notation reliable?

 

[KidGamer65]

My initial point was Sasuke being able to stop Mokujin from catching his blade, not that he's capable of taking it down. If he can't take it down in the air, why would he be able to take it down while he's on the ground?

Fighting in the air means he can't hit it. Fighting on the ground means he can, but regardless of his location, he still can't take it down.

If Mokujin grabs Susano'o, then what stops it from slashing his sword on Mokujin's hand?

Gets blocked by Mokujin's other hand.

And what strength feat would allow it to hold down a Bijuu sized Susano'o? Even if it's equal to Kurama in physical strength, I can't recall Kurama performing such a thing with physical strength alone.

Bijuu Sized? That's not even a good thing to mention considering Mokujin w/o legs already approaches Full Kurama (Bijuu+ in size) in size. If you are over 2x stronger than something, and it's smaller than you, then you'd be able to hold it down. If some guy the same size as you, but 2x stronger put you on the ground, you definitely aren't going anywhere as long as he's holding you in place. Kurama not having a strength feat on par doesn't matter.

Not to mention I never claimed it hold it down. I just said that it'd pull back and knock it on the ground if it tried to fly away.

And considering how poor the translation was, what makes the translator's notation reliable?

Being unable to perfectly translate it into English doesn't mean that his understanding of said entry is poor. If translation quality. If there were something wrong with it, it would've been pointed out in the thread.

 

[RustledJimmies]

Being unable to perfectly translate it into English doesn't mean that his understanding of said entry is poor. If translation quality. If there were something wrong with it, it would've been pointed out in the thread.

Not at all, he translated it the way he understood/interpreted it (after all, that's how you translate something, you probably know that, assuming you can speak any languages other than English), and nothing in his translation even begins to imply what he said in his notation, in fact, it even says this "During the battle with Madara it was on par with 9-tails.", assuming "it" is Mokujin, if you replace the "it" with "Mokujin", the sentence will clearly say that Mokujin was on par with Kurama during Hashirama's fight with Madara, if the correct interpretation was what he said in his notation, then it should have said something similar to "During the battle with Madara, its physical strength was on par with 9-tails.", even if the raws didn't state it in that same exact way, he should have translated it the way he interpreted it, you can't simply translate it to the letter, which he didn't, considering the grammar was [nearly] perfect (trust me, you don't know how messy it would be if he translated a Japanese entry to the letter), if he didn't translate it to the letter, then he translated it how he interpreted it, meaning that the correct translation itself is completely different from his notation, therefore, the latter holds no weight at all.

I'll just agree with the rest of your post.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Why is Mokujin being overrated and claimed to be equal to ps? Ps defense is far superior to Mokujin. Let's not even get started with there offensive abilities.

So imo Sasuke takes this extreme high difficulty. Kirin plus Ps shockwaves complimented by scorching the entire Mokujin in Amatersu means GG Mokujin. Anything less is simply overwhelmed and outclassed. ​

 

[KidGamer65]

Not at all, he translated it the way he understood/interpreted it (after all, that's how you translate something, you probably know that, assuming you can speak any languages other than English), and nothing in his translation even begins to imply what he said in his notation, in fact, it even says this "During the battle with Madara it was on par with 9-tails.", assuming "it" is Mokujin, if you replace the "it" with "Mokujin", the sentence will clearly say that Mokujin was on par with Kurama during Hashirama's fight with Madara, if the correct interpretation was what he said in his notation, then it should have said something similar to "During the battle with Madara, its physical strength was on par with 9-tails.", even if the raws didn't state it in that same exact way, he should have translated it the way he interpreted it, you can't simply translate it to the letter, which he didn't, considering the grammar was [nearly] perfect (trust me, you don't know how messy it would be if he translated a Japanese entry to the letter), if he didn't translate it to the letter, then he translated it how he interpreted it, meaning that the correct translation itself is completely different from his notation, therefore, the latter holds no weight at all.

I'll just agree with the rest of your post.

Fine. Doesn't really effect my argument too much.

 

[Conspirator.]

Base Hashirama mid to high diff.