[VS] Hashirama vs Team Overrated

[TheSages456]

this is my last post. you are simply wasting my time.

Him running out doesn't mean it did as soon as that scene dropped, since he looked perfectly fine. Him running out means it was in mid battle.

whether he did not lose sage mode right after or not is irrelevant. you cannot prove that they were purely fighting in cqc at that time with absolutely no ninjutsu which would mean that it would still hold that base hashirama and madara have equal physical abilities.

Lol no doesn't work that way. He never ever ever imply that nor has he ever face someone as strong as Juubito.

madara doesnt need to fight ten tails obito in order for it to be concluded that he can indeed trace his speed. his speed and reactions just need to be at least as good as sasukes after his fight with obito which they are based on madaras statement and feats.

Because it supports my point that Base Minato, whos faster then V2, is faster with KCM boost. Which can = my point of Ei successfully blitzing Madara. Therefore will be successful of tagging Hashirama, let alone Base Hashirama.



As stated above.

your comparison is fallacious. Ei lightened by onoki is drastically faster than V2 Ei and you cannot prove the boost that onoki gives Ei and the boost that kcm gives minato are equivalent.

How about using your eyes? That the sprout on Juubi's mouth is as big as Juubi's body? It doesn't change the fact, whatever we aren't calculating the standing up version, since Im right about the fact that the height of those gates by observing that spout in comparison is as tall as Juubi standing up. Which = the highest peak of Hashirama jutsu size can increase. Which = SM Mokujin, which = SS (excluding back)

Just admit your wrong. In no way would Mokujin be Mountain size in Base and SM form. Stop.

what is this stupidity? if the juubi equals hashirama head seal in height when it is not standing up, when it is standing up the juubi will be bigger.
the juubis flower is not as tall as the juubi standing up on two legs. its about as tall as the juubi on all fours.

are you really going to claim that hashiramas head seal is as tall as the juubi is in this scan?

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you dont have an argument.

I didn't say he didn't I said: wither if he did OR didn't, does not disproves my point. Just like how Madara has ever witness Hashirama going SM in the past before VOTE. Unless you saying he did to beat PS the first time in the past before VOTE.

what are you talking about? you said that madara copied the flower world(which is nonsense since he cannot copy a kekkai genkai) while he did not have PS.

i then said that you need proof that madara did not have PS at the time when hashirama used the jutsu against him. that is a claim that you cannot validate.
you are trying to prove that madara countered the flower world without PS, yet you cant prove that he did because you cant prove when madara gained PS and you cant prove when hashirama used the flower world against him.

 

[KidGamer65]

And by how much is Juubito compare to Yellow Flash. Ok Huge Gap? Sure maybe.
And by how much is it with KCM boost? Shouldn't be a large margin as it was in base.

Not as large as it was in Base=/=Not extremely large. Lol.

Especially by his examples, as to why he isn't getting blitz tagged, when Ay canonically was able to force Madara to block his blitz.

He was able to force Madara to block after Mei had used her jutsu to create an opening. Alive Madara almost blitzed SM Naruto, which is something 3rd Raikage can't do, and he's no faster or slower than V1 Ay. So Madara would easily react and evade his level of speed.

And no. He's fast=/=He's faster than me.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Team Overrated. What if Minato threw a kunai directly in Hashirama's line of sight, and teleported Itachi there? Hashirama would be finished in that team move.

 

[maniaoqan]

Team Overrated. What if Minato threw a kunai directly in Hashirama's line of sight, and teleported Itachi there? Hashirama would be finished in that team move.

What if that Hashirama was wood clone. What if original Hashirama emerged from Minato's back and stabbed him with his sword like he did with Madara. What if ?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

What if that Hashirama was wood clone. What if original Hashirama emerged from Minato's back and stabbed him with his sword like he did with Madara. What if ?

How would that surprise Minato, a sensor who can detect clones?

 

[maniaoqan]

How would that surprise Minato, a sensor who can detect clones?

The way it suprised Madara who is also a sensor.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

The way it suprised Madara who is also a sensor.

Is there any solid proof that Madara's actually a sensor, and he doesn't merely have the rinnegan?

Edit: Nevermind, remembered the panel of Madara's rape face.

Anyway, that'd be assuming it wouldn't be in their sight. The battle would have to progress beforehand.

 

[maniaoqan]

Is there any solid proof that Madara's actually a sensor, and he doesn't merely have the rinnegan?

He sensed Hashirama's chakra from all that distance when almost every shinobis chakra near him. He managed to distinguish him as Tobirama sensed and confirmed Madara's come back.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

He sensed Hashirama's chakra from all that distance when almost every shinobis chakra near him. He managed to distinguish him as Tobirama sensed and confirmed Madara's come back.

Just realized that seconds before you posted. Regardless, he'd have to not be in sight when that happens, or Minato would have to not have KCM activated.

 

[maniaoqan]

Just realized that seconds before you posted. Regardless, he'd have to not be in sight when that happens, or Minato would have to not have KCM activated.

Well we're talking about 'What ifs' anyway.

 

[KidGamer65]

Team Overrated. What if Minato threw a kunai directly in Hashirama's line of sight, and teleported Itachi there? Hashirama would be finished in that team move.

Lol, and please explain how teleporting Itachi to Hashirama means Hashirama is finished?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

this is my last post. you are simply wasting my time.

Im wasting your time when you just adding more and amount of dishonestly of every post you are addressing mine.

- The manga made it never clear that Hashirama full power matches Madara, or a bit of superiority then Madara. Your saying otherwise

- Making a claim that has never been supported that Sasuke's NOW eye = to Madara after his fight with Obito. Never never never ever made that claim and never ever was specific of time to when he compare it nor does feats shows nor include that somehow his eyes matches someone who has faced Madara biggest challenge, Hashirama.

- Refusing to admit Hashirama isn't getting tagged because of xyz. Ay admitted < Minato in speed while KCM Naruto was compare to Minato's speed. Now we have lighten Ay with a new speed, but somehow you speculating that its superior to Base Minato let alone shouldn't be even equivalent to that of KCM Minato

- You not admitting how Juubi size is, whatever if I or you got the size comparison wrong (as you telling me Im wrong about the gates size compare to Juubi only shows that I have gotten Juubi's size wrong. That he is actually BIGGER then what I thought he was) you completely being dishonest the moment it was shown that UNstabilized PS was = Mokujin yet somehow also = FULL PS. Which makes you exaggerate claim that Hashirama Mokuton size in Base Mokuton = Juubi while SM Mokuton >>>> in size. Adding flavor of wank and dishonesty. And in the end downplaying the size field of FTG locations.

- Then wanking FTW being uncounter-able despite me giving 1 out of many options it can deal with it. As ftg field is superior range, a single TBB clearing it up and superior mobility then the other character that already canonically counter it.

Not as large as it was in Base=/=Not extremely large. Lol.

Not sure what your talking about

He was able to force Madara to block after Mei had used her jutsu to create an opening. Alive Madara almost blitzed SM Naruto, which is something 3rd Raikage can't do, and he's no faster or slower than V1 Ay. So Madara would easily react and evade his level of speed.

Madara failed to counter Ay when he up his speed. Naruto made the option to block Madara's blitz as the attack incoming was in no threat to him. That doesn't mean Naruto couldnt react to Madara's blitz.

And no. He's fast=/=He's faster than me.

Not sure what your talking about

 

[KidGamer65]

Not sure what your talking about

Minato's KCM making the gap in speed between him and Obito smaller doesn't change the fact that it's ridiculously large.

Madara failed to counter Ay when he up his speed. Naruto made the option to block Madara's blitz as the attack incoming was in no threat to him. That doesn't mean Naruto couldnt react to Madara's blitz.

Except Madara never failed to counter Ay's speed alone. Ever. He blocked him the first time, and the rest of the times he had Susanoo. Not to mention Ay=/=Ay + Onoki.

Never said Naruto never reacted, I said he failed to evade, yet he could evade and counter attack someone on V1 Ay's speed level.

Not sure what your talking about

Madara stating that Ay's fsat, doesn't mean he's faster than him. Not sure how my post can't be easily understood here.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Minato's KCM making the gap in speed between him and Obito smaller doesn't change the fact that it's ridiculously large.

Base on what makes it a ridiculously large margin

Except Madara never failed to counter Ay's speed alone. Ever. He blocked him the first time, and the rest of the times he had Susanoo. Not to mention Ay=/=Ay + Onoki.

Him having Susanoo doesn't mean crap since Madara reaction goes by what his eye can preserve. And his eyes didn't preserve Ay+Onoki.

So by what evidence does Ay+Onoki => Minato or KCM Minato

Never said Naruto never reacted, I said he failed to evade, yet he could evade and counter attack someone on V1 Ay's speed level.

There was no failure unless you have evidence that Naruto attended to evade. Naruto stated his reaction is better then KCM reaction and we have witness KCM reactions by feats.

I fail to see what you are trying to prove with this point

Madara stating that Ay's fsat, doesn't mean he's faster than him. Not sure how my post can't be easily understood here.

so your actually stating that Madara is faster then Ay, just to be clear?

Let me know so I know not to continue this discussion

 

[KingHashirama]

Nobody on their team has the ability to see through wood clones.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Tbh I dnt think they can beat him hashi can summon buddah and his 5 elements and have tht fight itachi while hashi himself takes out minato who due to having kyubbi chakra gets mid diffed as hashi will absorb all of the chakra from him via wood Dragon or if minato is stupid enough to get in close combat with hashi he gets ducked up close combat
Also hashi should do flower tree world to limit where the duo can go on battlefield without inhaling poison

 

[ARGUS]

Minato teleports totsuka straight at hashirama GG
If the above doesnt happen then they lose

 

[Ken Masters]

i know for a fact that bm minardo beats sm hashirama and even alive sm minardo has a legit shot without rds. with rds it's at least a confirmed draw between the two.

adding itachi confirms victory of team overrated with no member dying. hashirama has zero counter to Tsukuyomi, he will lose the moment he gets trapped in it. and minardo and itachi will fight for this very purpose, i.e. to put hashirama under the tsukuyomi.

firstly itachi >>>>>>>>>> sasky in tsukuyomi

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no mater what you have or who you are or even if you could break the genjutsu

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in short there's no version of the scenario in which hashirama wins.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

i know for a fact that bm minardo beats sm hashirama and even alive sm minardo has a legit shot without rds. with rds it's at least a confirmed draw between the two.

Bruh Stfu :leaf:
Hashirama low diff's Base Minato and med-high diffs BM Minato

 

[Ken Masters]

Bruh Stfu :leaf:
Hashirama low diff's Base Minato and med-high diffs BM Minato

get hashi's jock out of your mouth.