[VS] Hashirama vs Team Overrated

[Brother Numpsay]

nope. hashiramas reaction speed are already at the level where he can react to minato. he doesnt need to get used to minatos movements like naruto and sasuke needed to get used to obito.

@Bold Base on nothing.

minato tries to blitz hashirama and he dodges. his reactions in base form are equal to madara who has the same choku tomoe as sasuke who could trace ten tails obito.

Hashirama base and SM is somehow = to madara. Regardless you claims are base on nothing since Madara isnt >=Juubito movements

the mokujin was the same size as from VOTE. there isnt any reason to believe otherwise.



you dont have any proof that hashiramas mokujin from the war is larger than the mokujin from VOTE, so you do not have an argument.

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It it clear SM boost change the size compare to what he did in VOTE.

minato being faster than madara with hiraishin does not mean anything. he still cannot escape the flower world.

Um no Minato is faster by foot too so he can escape it as much he can. So once again this is ONE of the counters I mentioned, that just as effective.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke and Naruto were able to progressively traced obitos movements. They were blitz the first time. So I agree with the notion that SM Hashirama should be able to progressively react to Minato's blitz.

The match is Hashirama not starting in SM, which is a perfect position to blitz tag Base mode

Yes, because Juubito and Minato are even on the same speed tier let alone close enough for this point to be valid.

 

[TheSages456]

@Bold Base on nothing.

base hashiramas reactions are equal to madara who has the same choku tomoe as sasuke. sasuke traced ten tails obito. obito took off minatos arm before he could react. there is no argument to be had. minato and ten tails obito arent on the same speed tier. i dont know how you are comparing them. minato cannot blitz hashirama.

Hashirama base and SM is somehow = to madara. Regardless you claims are base on nothing since Madara isnt >=Juubito movements

madara can easily avoid obitos blitz considering that he stated his eyes were the same as sasukes who traced obito.

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correct.

Unless you mean to tell me VOTE Mokujin is the same height as Senpou: Deity God Gates[

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the mokujin is bigger than hashiramas gates because it is blatantly shown to be bigger. the mokujin that hashirama created at VOTE is the same exact mokujin that he created during the war.

It it clear SM boost change the size compare to what he did in VOTE.

you cannot and did not prove this.

Um no Minato is faster by foot too so he can escape it as much he can. So once again this is ONE of the counters I mentioned, that just as effective.

minato running out of the flower world with foot speed before he gets put to sleep is laughable.

 

[makosheva7]

Team Overrated mid diff. Like people have said Amaterasu spam with Kurama cloak Itachi. Itachi can get beaten by Flower World but if Minato already has Kunai all over he can just tag Itachi before hand and teleport him outside of it.. really depends on how big the battlefield is.

If it's small enough, Hashirama can envelop the entire battlefield in flower tree world including Minato's kunai, meaning Itachi is most definitely done for. But if its a big enough battlefield, Hashi wont be able to envelop all of it and Minato can teleport Itachi out.

Although Hashirama's Hobi tech can withstand a TBB, it can't withstand an onslaught of Amaterasu.

So again, the result depends on the size of the battlefield. More times than not Hashirama would be able to make a forest big enough for this (to my knowledge) so Minato and Itachi would be forced to retreat or die, or try to Amaterasu and TBB the whole thing, which if they are inside the forest they'll die from the pollen, or which if they are outside it will face an onslaught of Hashirama's attacks so they will have to split the work of fending off Hashi and destroying his forest, which will most likely end badly.

So ya, Hashirama does win this. High diff though.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Yes, because Juubito and Minato are even on the same speed tier let alone close enough for this point to be valid.

And by how much is Juubito compare to Yellow Flash. Ok Huge Gap? Sure maybe.
And by how much is it with KCM boost? Shouldn't be a large margin as it was in base.

Especially by his examples, as to why he isn't getting blitz tagged, when Ay canonically was able to force Madara to block his blitz.

base hashiramas reactions are equal to madara who has the same choku tomoe as sasuke. sasuke traced ten tails obito. obito took off minatos arm before he could react. there is no argument to be had. minato and ten tails obito arent on the same speed tier. i dont know how you are comparing them. minato cannot blitz hashirama.

So if Base Hashirama reactions = to Madara then why is Madara able to fight on bar with SM Hashirama in CQC too? Regardless as you stated you examples are flawed to prove your point.

1. Sasuke wasn't able to trace Obito for the first time so you can't make the an example to prove your point.
1a. Using Madara to prove your point also shows using examples is flawed since Ay canonically force Madara to block his blitz. So that means Hashirama will be blocking Minato's blitz too, let alone KCM boost version.

2. Minato was already in motion of a strike, both times against Juubi Jins, let alone these Juubi Jin strike speeds and reaction is much much superior to Madara and Hashirama.

madara can easily avoid obitos blitz considering that he stated his eyes were the same as sasukes who traced obito.

Address above.

the mokujin is bigger than hashiramas gates because it is blatantly shown to be bigger. the mokujin that hashirama created at VOTE is the same exact mokujin that he created during the war.

you cannot and did not prove this.

What in world are you looking at then. Its blatantly clear that Edo SM Mokujin carries the same height, but gates being a bit bigger then Mokujin. When compare it to a summoning sitting on top of it (gamakichi). Which gamakichi = These Juubi Fission[

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The Mokujin at VOTE was = to un-stabilized PS height.

minato running out of the flower world with foot speed before he gets put to sleep is laughable.

As laughable as saying how an inferior character in speed and mobility, Madara, is only able to. And laughable as to think the whole FTG field will be covers much more range then it can. And laughable to think the place is withstanding a single TBB that clears it all up.

 

[TheSages456]

So if Base Hashirama reactions = to Madara then why is Madara able to fight on bar with SM Hashirama in CQC too? Regardless as you stated you examples are flawed to prove your point.

your not making any sense. base hashirama is equal to madara in cqc because that is whats shown in the manga.

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1. Sasuke wasn't able to trace Obito for the first time so you can't make the an example to prove your point.
1a. Using Madara to prove your point also shows using examples is flawed since Ay canonically force Madara to block his blitz. So that means Hashirama will be blocking Minato's blitz too, let alone KCM boost version.

2. Minato was already in motion of a strike, both times against Juubi Jins, let alone these Juubi Jin strike speeds and reaction is much much superior to Madara and Hashirama.


Address above.

sasuke not being able to trace obito right away is irrelevant. madara compared his own choku tomoe to a sasuke that had grown from his battle with obito. common sense says that madara who has the same eyes as sasuke can also react to ten tails obito.

madara dodged meis jutsu and that gave Ei an opening to hit him. Ei did not blitz him.

hashirama simply dodges any blitz attempt from minato. his combat speed and reactions are equal to madara, who just like sasuke can trace obito in his ten tails form as proven.

hashirama doesnt have to move as fast as a juubi jin in order to hit minato. thats ridiculous. he dodges minatos blitz attempt then disarms him in cqc. its that simple.

What in world are you looking at then. Its blatantly clear that Edo SM Mokujin carries the same height, but gates being a bit bigger then Mokujin. When compare it to a summoning sitting on top of it (gamakichi). Which gamakichi = These Juubi Fission[

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The Mokujin at VOTE was = to un-stabilized PS height.

this is ridiculous.

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PS and the mokujin are on the right side of the barrier. the dots in the middle of the barrier are hashiramas gates. both PS and the mokujin clearly dwarf hashiramas gates.

As laughable as saying how an inferior character in speed and mobility, Madara, is only able to. And laughable as to think the whole FTG field will be covers much more range then it can. And laughable to think the place is withstanding a single TBB that clears it all up.

madara can counter the flower world because PS puts him far higher than the pollen can reach.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

your not making any sense. base hashirama is equal to madara in cqc because that is whats shown in the manga.

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Im aware of this as you need to be aware that Madara also = SM Hashirama in CQC. Point is theres no way to determine between their clashes the ones movements are = from each other when response as been change in the scenario.

sasuke not being able to trace obito right away is irrelevant. madara compared his own choku tomoe to a sasuke that had grown from his battle with obito. common sense says that madara who has the same eyes as sasuke can also react to ten tails obito.

Actually its completely relevant since for him to be = to what sasuke did would be he had to go through the same process that made sasuke react.

madara dodged meis jutsu and that gave Ei an opening to hit him. Ei did not blitz him.

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this is ridiculous.

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PS and the mokujin are on the right side of the barrier. the dots in the middle of the barrier are hashiramas gates. both PS and the mokujin clearly dwarf hashiramas gates.

Those aren't the same size gates as the one that bound the Juubi's head, which is much much bigger.

madara can counter the flower world because PS puts him far higher than the pollen can reach.

So Madara's only counter is going PS when he canonically didn't had it activated when fight Hashirama in field of Mokuton?

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[GLUU]

Itachi is outclassed here, base hashiramas mokutons are enough to take him out, so there isnt much that hes doing here,
if minato decides to camp him in his avatar than even that is not helping them when minatos avatar either gets busted by ShinsuuSenju or simply outlasted, as once that happens, flower tree world alone is a GG,
minato cant counter Shinsuu senju at all, he cant attack it when he gets all his attacks redirected at him, and he cant tank its attacks either,
hashirama having the mokuton suppression on the bijuu is also not helping minato

hashiramma should still win this

 

[Pragmatic]

Minato solos himself , his body isn't strong enough to have a cloak alive.

Thats a joke Minatos body can handle Sage Mode you have nothing to back up that he cant handle half the Kyuubi chakra why do you insist on making up shit

 

[FemmeFatale]

Thats a joke Minatos body can handle Sage Mode you have nothing to back up that he cant handle half the Kyuubi chakra why do you insist on making up shit

I can't find the scan but he could barely stand when he sealed the ninetails within himself , and was only able toenter sage mode like he did because eof his refine Edo body.

 

[Sin of Wrath]

Tsukyumo shits.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Tsukyumo shits.

Hashirama spams clones rendering Tsukyuomi useless.
Itachi will have no idea which is the real so Tsukyuomi is pointless

 

[Sin of Wrath]

Hashirama spams clones rendering Tsukyuomi useless.
Itachi will have no idea which is the real so Tsukyuomi is pointless

Nice try, Tsukuyomi still shits.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Nice try, Tsukuyomi still shits.

Shits on what? A clone?

 

[TheSages456]

Im aware of this as you need to be aware that Madara also = SM Hashirama in CQC. Point is theres no way to determine between their clashes the ones movements are = from each other when response as been change in the scenario.

if they fight equal in cqc, then they are equal in cqc. the manga never shows sm hashirama fighting madara in cqc, so i dont know how you are making such a comparison.

base hashiramas physical stats=base madaras physical stats.

Actually its completely relevant since for him to be = to what sasuke did would be he had to go through the same process that made sasuke react.

if he is the same as the sasuke that can trace obito, then that means that he can trace obito himself. this isnt hard to understand.

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madara acknowledging that Ei uses shunshin isnt even relevant. im not what you are even trying to prove. minatos physical speed isnt fast enough to hit madara. if he teleports next to madara, madara kills him.

Those aren't the same size gates as the one that bound the Juubi's head, which is much much bigger.

if PS and the mokujin are the size of the juubi, then they are bigger than the head seal which is only as big as the juubis head.

So Madara's only counter is going PS when he canonically didn't had it activated when fight Hashirama in field of Mokuton?

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there are no flowers in that mokuton, so that is not the flower world.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

if they fight equal in cqc, then they are equal in cqc. the manga never shows sm hashirama fighting madara in cqc, so i dont know how you are making such a comparison.

base hashiramas physical stats=base madaras physical stats.

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if he is the same as the sasuke that can trace obito, then that means that he can trace obito himself. this isnt hard to understand.

It isn't hard to understand because your desperately trying to erase context from the view. As I already agree with this notion but taking the context as to WHY he is able to, is showing you how you refuse to concede here.

If knowing Sasuke needing to progressively adapting to Juubito speed would mean the same as Madara doing the same. Meaning my claims of KCM Minato blitz tagging, which is far faster then Hashirama/Madara doing it to each other, would have you conceded that point. Thus Hashirama is getting tagged in this battle.

madara acknowledging that Ei uses shunshin isnt even relevant. im not what you are even trying to prove. minatos physical speed isnt fast enough to hit madara. if he teleports next to madara, madara kills him.

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Even though I dont agree with the notion that Madara and Hashirama are = in everything, you are now making this a battle of madara then Hashirama. So whatever you think would have Madara kill Minato for attempting a blitz somehow means Hashirama is going to do it with the same move, or something similar? Regardless both points are ridiculous.

if PS and the mokujin are the size of the juubi, then they are bigger than the head seal which is only as big as the juubis head.

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there are no flowers in that mokuton, so that is not the flower world.

Never said it was in that scene.

1. Doesnt change that flower world works just like Jukai but can make plants.
2. Madara already witness and encounter it (he copied it), with no evidence of wither he had PS or not doing the time.

 

[Indestructible]

Hashirama undoubtedly wins this. Jukai already restricts minatos movements and even if Minato manages to destroy it Minato lacks a counter for shinsuusenju. The best he can do is avoid it and all the while the clock is ticking for his BM to expire. Minato marking Hashirsma with Sage mode, clones, pollen, and wood constructs coming at him is a joke. Itachi adds nothing here im sorry to say.

 

[VongolaX]

Bm minato and itachi win mid diff

 

[TheSages456]

Bold[

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he ran out of sage chakra, hence him being in base when we see the fight on the next few pages.

It isn't hard to understand because your desperately trying to erase context from the view. As I already agree with this notion but taking the context as to WHY he is able to, is showing you how you refuse to concede here.


If knowing Sasuke needing to progressively adapting to Juubito speed would mean the same as Madara doing the same. Meaning my claims of KCM Minato blitz tagging, which is far faster then Hashirama/Madara doing it to each other, would have you conceded that point. Thus Hashirama is getting tagged in this battle.

if madara is comparing himself to a sasuke that has advanced past the obito battle then that means that madara himself can trace obito. he doesnt need to get used to his movements as his eyes are already at that level.

Point is even when distracted from another move, when Ay blitz, Ay knew he needs to up speed his blitz to successfully get him the next time. Which he did and Madara's eye didn't keep up then as he was mad late to see the attack speed[

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why are you bringing up Ei who has been lightened by onoki to make himself faster? that version of Ei has a combat speed thats ridiculously above minatos since he was able to blitz madara.

Even though I dont agree with the notion that Madara and Hashirama are = in everything, you are now making this a battle of madara then Hashirama. So whatever you think would have Madara kill Minato for attempting a blitz somehow means Hashirama is going to do it with the same move, or something similar? Regardless both points are ridiculous.

hashirama is equal to madara as far as physical stats are concerned and that makes him unable to be blitzed by minato.

Wrong. The head seal is as big as Juubi as we saw. Juubi's face transformation change up the scaling of his face[

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the juubi is on its stomach. do you have any common sense? the size of the head seal is nowhere near the height of the juubi when its standing up.

Never said it was in that scene.

1. Doesnt change that flower world works just like Jukai but can make plants.
2. Madara already witness and encounter it (he copied it), with no evidence of wither he had PS or not doing the time.

if you dont know when hashirama used the jutsu on madara, how can you claim that madara did not have PS at that time?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

he ran out of sage chakra, hence him being in base when we see the fight on the next few pages.

Him running out doesn't mean it did as soon as that scene dropped, since he looked perfectly fine. Him running out means it was in mid battle.

if madara is comparing himself to a sasuke that has advanced past the obito battle then that means that madara himself can trace obito. he doesnt need to get used to his movements as his eyes are already at that level.

Lol no doesn't work that way. He never ever ever imply that nor has he ever face someone as strong as Juubito.

why are you bringing up Ei who has been lightened by onoki to make himself faster? that version of Ei has a combat speed thats ridiculously above minatos since he was able to blitz madara.

Because it supports my point that Base Minato, whos faster then V2, is faster with KCM boost. Which can = my point of Ei successfully blitzing Madara. Therefore will be successful of tagging Hashirama, let alone Base Hashirama.

hashirama is equal to madara as far as physical stats are concerned and that makes him unable to be blitzed by minato.

As stated above.

the juubi is on its stomach. do you have any common sense? the size of the head seal is nowhere near the height of the juubi when its standing up.

How about using your eyes? That the sprout on Juubi's mouth is as big as Juubi's body? It doesn't change the fact, whatever we aren't calculating the standing up version, since Im right about the fact that the height of those gates by observing that spout in comparison is as tall as Juubi standing up. Which = the highest peak of Hashirama jutsu size can increase. Which = SM Mokujin, which = SS (excluding back)

Just admit your wrong. In no way would Mokujin be Mountain size in Base and SM form. Stop.

if you dont know when hashirama used the jutsu on madara, how can you claim that madara did not have PS at that time?

I didn't say he didn't I said: wither if he did OR didn't, does not disproves my point. Just like how Madara has ever witness Hashirama going SM in the past before VOTE. Unless you saying he did to beat PS the first time in the past before VOTE.