[Theory] Why Black Zetsu not being the will of Madara is a Plothole...and how to fix it !!

minamoto · Jan 4, 2015

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let's say Black Zetsu never existed in the Naruto Manga...............but still in Madara's mind he was always willing to creat his will in form of black zetsu.....right??..

- Madara must have learned a thechnique that enables him to creat his will in form of a blak Zetsu (will materialzation)..

- many uchiha powers came from kaguya(like teleportation and genjutsu)...

- Uchiha Madara,most likely,inherited this ability of shaping his will into a black liquid from kaguya...

-thus what happened was that black zetsu was aware that Madara mastred the Jutsu that enbales him to shape his will into a black Liquid similar to black zetsu.....

-then Black Zetsu who was inside the Gedo Mazo had to wait for the perfect Moment :

when Madara was about to pour his will within white zetsu, the black zetsu channaled himself through the tubes that attached Madara with the Gedo Mazo..and then pretended to be created by Madara...

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that's how Madara got tricked becuz he thought black zetsu was his own will....

Madara's Black Zetsu reall will :

-this is the reall Madara black zetsu will that he mistook with kaguya's black zetsu will :

chapter 636..637

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-also some1 like Madara is not dumb stupid to not realize that the writing of the uchiha tablet was faked....

-just think about it!!...

Madara must have realized that someone good like Hagoromo can't be the one who wrote the ritual of Mugen tsukoyomi wich obviously contradict his Ninshu........

-yet Madara did like the Idea of the Inifnit tsukoyomi,despite the uchiha stone being faked...because his finall goal was not the Infinit Tsukoyomi itself but instead the "Dreamworld"..

-from the Uchiha stone,Madara choosed only the parts that fit with his "Dreamworld" plan and rejected the rest!..

I THINK IT'S MORE THEN OBVIOUS THAT UCHIHA MAADARA WILL COME BACK IN NARUTO 3 AND TOBIDARA FTW!!

Itachi of the Uchiha clan · Jan 4, 2015

bz>madara

Akame · Jan 4, 2015

Doesn't matter, there is no need to fix it, maddy died and that was that.

~Ethereal~ · Jan 4, 2015

Yes, he's plothole.

NineSNS · Jan 4, 2015

BZ betrayal was a disgrace. To call it a plot hole is too kind.

The Sach · Jan 4, 2015

Some things never change.
^After 20 years, my kids will be posting this same post on your thread which will be ending with Tobidara FTW.
OT-You were going good with that theory, but then you diverted to the same wrong track.

ROHAN · Jan 4, 2015

There is an off chance that Black Zetsu was part Kaguya and part Madara's will.

In which case what you said is true.

rollin · Jan 4, 2015

that's not a plothole
it's what someone might consider and asspull which it isnt that either

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to light(naruto)and darkness(sasuke)

minamoto · Jan 4, 2015

-Sach- said:
Some things never change.
^After 20 years, my kids will be posting this same post on your thread which will be ending with Tobidara FTW.
OT-You were going good with that theory, but then you diverted to the same wrong track.

you will never understand why i keep pursuing the Tobidara theory...for me it's more then a theory....i hope you understand dat bye!

Rabbit Teth · Jan 5, 2015

Happy 3000th Post,

I hope Madara comes back for part 3 but not as BZ. BZ existed long before Madara. Some of Madara could still be in Spiral but even that might be a stretch too far. I'm hoping Madara and Sasuke get to talk about what happened to Izuna sometime. Hashirama gave Sasuke some kind of jutsu because he thought Sasuke would be able to calm Madara but then nothing more came of it. Edo Madara part 2 or a visit to the Spirit World (the "Western Paradise") could be on the cards.

minamoto · Jan 5, 2015

Rabbit Teth said:
Happy 3000th Post,

I hope Madara comes back for part 3 but not as BZ. BZ existed long before Madara. Some of Madara could still be in Spiral but even that might be a stretch too far. I'm hoping Madara and Sasuke get to talk about what happened to Izuna sometime. Hashirama gave Sasuke some kind of jutsu because he thought Sasuke would be able to calm Madara but then nothing more came of it. Edo Madara part 2 or a visit to the Spirit World (the "Western Paradise") could be on the cards.

well.....

minamoto · Jan 5, 2015

Itachi of the Uchiha clan said:
bz>madara

spoon > chuchuhina !!

Angelic. · Jan 5, 2015

Rabbit Teth said:
Happy 3000th Post,

I hope Madara comes back for part 3 but not as BZ. BZ existed long before Madara. Some of Madara could still be in Spiral but even that might be a stretch too far. I'm hoping Madara and Sasuke get to talk about what happened to Izuna sometime. Hashirama gave Sasuke some kind of jutsu because he thought Sasuke would be able to calm Madara but then nothing more came of it. Edo Madara part 2 or a visit to the Spirit World (the "Western Paradise") could be on the cards.

-.- why is madara in spiral wut?
the izuna thing was to have them share a brotherly bond. madara stabbing sasuke was to show he would kill even his family for his dream.
i'd love a explanation of the pure world tho.

OT: just bad writing.
i think kishi didnt have the zetsu planned to be what they are now in obitos flashback. same for the possible goofy tobi retcon. swirly didnt exist before ch 600.

minamoto · Jan 16, 2015

UzumakiSama said:
BZ betrayal was a disgrace. To call it a plot hole is too kind.

haha i agree bro

ROHAN · Jan 16, 2015

obikage said:
-.- why is madara in spiral wut?
the izuna thing was to have them share a brotherly bond. madara stabbing sasuke was to show he would kill even his family for his dream.
i'd love a explanation of the pure world tho.

OT: just bad writing.
i think kishi didnt have the zetsu planned to be what they are now in obitos flashback. same for the possible goofy tobi retcon. swirly didnt exist before ch 600.

Madara still has the Rinnegan. Even if he lost it, I think Spiral Zetsu could have some Hashi DNA to put in Madara to once again reawaken the Rinnegan. By using Madara's body; Spiral Zetsu can re-summon the Gedo Mazou and start the Mugen Tsukuyomi ritual/Revive the Juubi once again.

SpoilerAlerts · Jan 16, 2015

Black zetsu was planned to be kaguya will from The start from zetsu said some weird shit god like shit.

Black zetsu: "I'm the land itself" like wtf.

Angelic. · Jan 16, 2015

Dragonor said:
Madara still has the Rinnegan. Even if he lost it, I think Spiral Zetsu could have some Hashi DNA to put in Madara to once again reawaken the Rinnegan. By using Madara's body; Spiral Zetsu can re-summon the Gedo Mazou and start the Mugen Tsukuyomi ritual/Revive the Juubi once again.

swirlys. dead.

ROHAN · Jan 17, 2015

obikage said:
swirlys. dead.

As far As I can tell, Swirly is still not dead. Kishi dropped a few hints at Chapter 699 and 700 which might show that Spiral Zetsu is not only dead but is also a much more powerful and bigger threat.

The Gedo Mazou is the Shell of the Juubi. Juubi = Shinju + Kaguya.

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Spiral Zetsu was formed from this shell, Gedo Mazou.

Spiral Zetsu is also a shell and is hollow inside.

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Spiral Zetsu wanted to become complete. (Spiral + Obito = Tobi, that statement was made by Spiral as Obito saying it makes little sense).

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The God Tree (Shinju) is immortal. As far As I know Gods are immortal right ? Kaguya by eating it's fruit became Immortal.

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The God tree was not sealed by Chibaku Tensei, because it was not present there. (I don't see a tree there even though all the component parts of the Juubi separated i.e; Kaguya, Nine Bijuus and Gedo Mazou).

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What supports above ^ statement is that God Tree was still present in NV even after the sealing Process.

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The God Tree cannot die, and it was not sealed; so where did it dissapear ?

This is where two events happened in 699 which solve this inconsistency. The two events are connected in a subtle but solid manner.

After Mugen Tsukuyomi dissolves, the God Tree starts retreating.

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And Simultaneously Spiral Zetsu transforms into a Tree.

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These two events give one answer when connected : Spiral Zetsu absorbed the God Tree.

Spiral Zetsu is no longer a shell because he absorbed the God Tree which had almost all of it's chakra back (Mugen Tsukuyomi had been activated).

A spiral tree spooks Sasuke in chapter 700.

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So, then What is Spiral Zetsu ? What is his true identity ? There are two answers to this question.

Either he is the Evil Counterpart of the God Tree :

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Or

He is the Fruit of the God Tree :

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Look at dem lovely spirals.

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Angelic. · Jan 17, 2015

Dragonor said:
As far As I can tell, Swirly is still not dead. Kishi dropped a few hints at Chapter 699 and 700 which might show that Spiral Zetsu is not only dead but is also a much more powerful and bigger threat.

The Gedo Mazou is the Shell of the Juubi. Juubi = Shinju + Kaguya.

You must be registered for see images

Spiral Zetsu was formed from this shell, Gedo Mazou.

Spiral Zetsu is also a shell and is hollow inside.

You must be registered for see images

Spiral Zetsu wanted to become complete. (Spiral + Obito = Tobi, that statement was made by Spiral as Obito saying it makes little sense).

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

The God Tree (Shinju) is immortal. As far As I know Gods are immortal right ? Kaguya by eating it's fruit became Immortal.

You must be registered for see images

The God tree was not sealed by Chibaku Tensei, because it was not present there. (I don't see a tree there even though all the component parts of the Juubi separated i.e; Kaguya, Nine Bijuus and Gedo Mazou).

You must be registered for see images

What supports above ^ statement is that God Tree was still present in NV even after the sealing Process.

You must be registered for see images

The God Tree cannot die, and it was not sealed; so where did it dissapear ?

This is where two events happened in 699 which solve this inconsistency. The two events are connected in a subtle but solid manner.

After Mugen Tsukuyomi dissolves, the God Tree starts retreating.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

And Simultaneously Spiral Zetsu transforms into a Tree.

You must be registered for see images

These two events give one answer when connected : Spiral Zetsu absorbed the God Tree.

Spiral Zetsu is no longer a shell because he absorbed the God Tree which had almost all of it's chakra back (Mugen Tsukuyomi had been activated).

A spiral tree spooks Sasuke in chapter 700.

You must be registered for see images

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So, then What is Spiral Zetsu ? What is his true identity ? There are two answers to this question.

Either he is the Evil Counterpart of the God Tree :
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Or

He is the Fruit of the God Tree :
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Look at dem lovely spirals.

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its just that him reaching out for yamato shows desperation. my theory on swirly is the same as yours. the fruit. we'll see

Demonic. · Jan 17, 2015

minamoto said:
you will never understand why i keep pursuing the Tobidara theory...for me it's more then a theory....i hope you understand dat bye!

Can you say "Tobidara is my Nindo, my ninja way!" Again?

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