[VS] Hiruzen&Danzo vs 6 Pains

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Location - Naruto vs Pain


Intel - Full of Team Konoha and Manga for Team Akatsuki

Restrictions - Gedo Mazo

(Hiruzen has his Edo Feats)
 

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Pain mid difficulty only because how long it will take to kill Danzo.
 

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I don't see how this ends up being much of an issue for Hiruzen and Danzo. They have no info on Hiruzen other than I would guess knowing he's a former Hokage, and there's no real telling how much info he has on Danzo, though I wouldn't suppose it's much either.

With full intel the only real issue Hiruzen and Danzo face is preventing Deva from using Chibaku Tensei(If that's even applicable here. Nagato isn't listed in the OP and he has to be in close proximity to him) and large-scale Shinra Tensei. They'll take him out first, then take care of Naraka, I imagine.

Hiruzen and Danzo are both brilliant. Kakashi was able to develop a strategy to fight all 6 paths, Hiruzen's brilliance is on par with his, and Danzo showed off quite a bit of intelligence(although his arrogance cost him, he has Hiruzen to balance that out), no reason they wouldn't be able to either.
 

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I don't see how this ends up being much of an issue for Hiruzen and Danzo. They have no info on Hiruzen other than I would guess knowing he's a former Hokage, and there's no real telling how much info he has on Danzo, though I wouldn't suppose it's much either.

With full intel the only real issue Hiruzen and Danzo face is preventing Deva from using Chibaku Tensei(If that's even applicable here. Nagato isn't listed in the OP and he has to be in close proximity to him) and large-scale Shinra Tensei. They'll take him out first, then take care of Naraka, I imagine.

Hiruzen and Danzo are both brilliant. Kakashi was able to develop a strategy to fight all 6 paths, Hiruzen's brilliance is on par with his, and Danzo showed off quite a bit of intelligence(although his arrogance cost him, he has Hiruzen to balance that out), no reason they wouldn't be able to either.

Intelligence isn't even a factor in this battle. Shinra Tensei one-shots Hiruzen. Danzo (who has been killed by mere shuriken) is continually bombarded by Asura missiles or animal summons, and izanagi respawn is no issue due to the paths' shared link of vision so even if he respawns directly behind a path in a blitz attempt, the Pain will see him and react. Baku is killed by Asura missiles or repelled with Shinra Tensei.
 

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Intelligence isn't even a factor in this battle. Shinra Tensei one-shots Hiruzen. Danzo (who has been killed by mere shuriken) is continually bombarded by Asura missiles or animal summons, and izanagi respawn is no issue due to the paths' shared link of vision so even if he respawns directly behind a path in a blitz attempt, the Pain will see him and react. Baku is killed by Asura missiles or repelled with Shinra Tensei.

So...

You're trying to tell me that the technique that couldn't even kill Chouji or an already weakened Kakashi is going to one shot Hiruzen(and there's not even any buildings for Hiruzen to get trapped under like Kakashi was given the location)?

The same guy who stayed alive for a decent period of time with Kusanagi sticking through his chest, survived an attempt at being crushed with Mokuton and even managed to fight through enough to summon Enma?

Yeah.....no.

And what do you mean intelligence means nothing here? The entire key to beating the 6 Paths is having the knowledge of their abilities, and both Hiruzen and Danzo do. And given that knowledge, Hiruzen nor Danzo is going to be oneshot by anything. You're giving two of the smartest fighters in the manga full intel compared to what amounts to no intel for the 6 paths. That's going to be an issue.
 

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So...

You're trying to tell me that the technique that couldn't even kill Chouji or an already weakened Kakashi is going to one shot Hiruzen(and there's not even any buildings for Hiruzen to get trapped under like Kakashi was given the location)?

The same guy who stayed alive for a decent period of time with Kusanagi sticking through his chest, survived an attempt at being crushed with Mokuton and even managed to fight through enough to summon Enma?

Yeah.....no.

And what do you mean intelligence means nothing here? The entire key to beating the 6 Paths is having the knowledge of their abilities, and both Hiruzen and Danzo do. And given that knowledge, Hiruzen nor Danzo is going to be oneshot by anything. You're giving two of the smartest fighters in the manga full intel compared to what amounts to no intel for the 6 paths. That's going to be an issue.

Yes. The technique that can one-shot a village can one shot Hiruzen. If you are claiming that Hiruzen can tank multiple Shinra Tensei, or even one, you are dead wrong. And no, intel is only so valuable if you have the tools/jutsu to execute them with, and Hiruzen and Danzo do not. You can have the entire Nara clan VS Pain and give them full intel, and they would still lose.
 

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Well CT can't be broken by these two even with full intel. Izanagi alters Danzo's own reality but he'll keep on getting sucked inside CT over and over again. Animal path summons, Asura path rockets put pressure on the two while their ninjutsu gets sucked up by preta path. Danzo's respawn is countered by linked vision. If any path dies, Naraka can revive the path. Preta path was fast enough to intercept an FRS IIRC which is much faster than any techniques in Danzo or Hiruzen's arsenal so with preta being a constant annoyance, Hiruzen will probably use Enma against it but the preta path will have backup from Asura path and some Animal path summons so getting close may prove troublesome. The shinra tensei used on the boss summons could clear all of Hiruzen's clones if he or Enma decide to use clones.

I'd give it to Pain with high difficulty due to team Konoha possessing full intel under the assumption this is full power Pain and not the one Naruto fought against.
 

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Yes. The technique that can one-shot a village can one shot Hiruzen. If you are claiming that Hiruzen can tank multiple Shinra Tensei, or even one, you are dead wrong. And no, intel is only so valuable if you have the tools/jutsu to execute them with, and Hiruzen and Danzo do not. You can have the entire Nara clan VS Pain and give them full intel, and they would still lose.

If you're talking village-busting Shinra Tensei, Hiruzen and Danzo aren't going to be sitting and watching as Deva takes to the sky to perform it. Again, full intel here. They know every. single. thing. he's capable of doing.

And this isn't the Nara clan.

This is:

Hiruzen - Capable of using all 5 elements, capable of performing every single technique in Konoha, has arguably the strongest summon in the manga, and has genius level intellect to top it all off.

Danzo - Maybe the best futon user we've seen in the manga, capable of using futon techniques that cut through even thick rock/concrete on the bridge he and Sasuke fought on, has a powerful summon in it's own right in Baku(who I'll make another point about in just a second), and has up to 10 minutes of continuous invincibility if need be, or 10 uses of it overall.

And the point about Baki is he can be used as a counter balance to Deva's bansho ten'in as well. His suction will prevent Deva from being able to pull them in. Hiruzen could also, going off of his knoweldge of every technique, could sink himself, Danzo and their summons in to Yomi Numa to ruin the effectiveness of Deva's small scale shinra tensei.

The full intel gives them all the options they need to prevent the effectiveness of Deva's abilities.
 

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Pain midd diff just because old farts have intel.
 

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If you're talking village-busting Shinra Tensei, Hiruzen and Danzo aren't going to be sitting and watching as Deva takes to the sky to perform it. Again, full intel here. They know every. single. thing. he's capable of doing.

And this isn't the Nara clan.

This is:

Hiruzen - Capable of using all 5 elements, capable of performing every single technique in Konoha, has arguably the strongest summon in the manga, and has genius level intellect to top it all off.

Danzo - Maybe the best futon user we've seen in the manga, capable of using futon techniques that cut through even thick rock/concrete on the bridge he and Sasuke fought on, has a powerful summon in it's own right in Baku(who I'll make another point about in just a second), and has up to 10 minutes of continuous invincibility if need be, or 10 uses of it overall.

And the point about Baki is he can be used as a counter balance to Deva's bansho ten'in as well. His suction will prevent Deva from being able to pull them in. Hiruzen could also, going off of his knoweldge of every technique, could sink himself, Danzo and their summons in to Yomi Numa to ruin the effectiveness of Deva's small scale shinra tensei.

The full intel gives them all the options they need to prevent the effectiveness of Deva's abilities.

Ok Danzo and Hiruzen are intelligent but you still haven't provided me a way with which they beat Pain? And lol, Yomi Numa is Jiraiya's technique.
 

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Ok Danzo and Hiruzen are intelligent but you still haven't provided me a way with which they beat Pain? And lol, Yomi Numa is Jiraiya's technique.

Yomi Numa is associated with Konoha through Jiraiya.

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I have no reason to believe Hiruzen isn't aware of the technique. Just by looking at the 5 techniques Tobi's several thousand hands was about to perform, he replicated all of them. Jiraiya is Hiruzen's student, as well, just increasing the likelyhood of him knowing it, if that statement by Orochimaru of "you know and can use every technique in Konoha" didn't cement that fact enough.

And there's numerous ways the battle could unfold.

Hiruzen and Danzo summon immediately to start. Enma creates several clones(Hiruzen and Danzo could as well, just to add to the difficulty for the paths) as they, Hiruzen and Danzo rush the paths. Deva, predictably, uses shinra tensei to end their assault, which Hiruzen nullifies with Yomi Numa. With the 6 second countdown activated, they continue their assault(Enma creating more clones if need be, incase the shinra tensei did manage to do enough to some of the clones out), as all of the clones deals with Asura, Human, Animal and Preta(Baku assists if Animal summons), and either Hiruzen or Danzo ends Deva, the most effective method possibly being Danzo ending him via any sort of futon, such as his futon blade, Shinkujin. Deva can't take Hiruzen, Enma in staff form and Danzo all at the same time in CQC. The clones might not last too long overall but the sheer number of them should buy enough time for Hiruzen and Danzo to pull off the Deva assassination.

Baku can then suck in Deva's body to prevent restoration by Naraka, but if he's too busy dealing with Animal Path's summons, Hiruzen and Danzo just need to play keep away with Deva's body. This can be done with a clone taking Deva's body away from the battle field as Hiruzen and Danzo continue their assault.

As Baku continues to deal with the Animal Path summons as best he can(which admittedly may not be terribly long, but so long as he can buy a little bit of time he's done his part), Hiruzen, Enma and Danzo help the remaining clones that still exist and focus on taking out Asura first. Hiruzen is best equipped for this task given Enma can smash Asura in staff form, and can also defend Hiruzen from Asura's weapons.

Human is an issue with sneaking up on Hiruzen and Danzo after he defeats the clones assigned to him, but Danzo's izanagi and Enma for Hiruzen can save them in this regard. Beyond the ability to sneak up on them and remove their souls, he simply doesn't pose much of a threat to these two skill wise.

The only remaining path, who skill wise poses a threat, is Animal, but again given their full intel here, they're going to simply avoid confrontation with the summons and go after the path itself.

They'll know Preta's only use is absorbing ninjutsu, and Human's only real threat to them requires him performing a sneak attack, so the fight becomes pretty easy, really from the point that they eliminate Deva, so long as Naraka is kept away from his body.

For proof that Enma can create enough clones to cause issues here(and prevent Hiruzen and Danzo from having to create too many/waste too much chakra), he used numerous clones to create the cage that protected Hiruzen vs the mokuton.

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That's 18 clones there, and Enma showed no signs of exhaust from that, so no reason to believe he can't create even more if need be.

Their plan here, regardless of how you want to design it(and I could develop other strategies for it if need be), is distract the other 5 and get rid of Deva ASAP. And with the amount of clones Enma can create(plus the clones Hiruzen and Danzo could create if need be), and Baku's assistance with Animal's summons, distraction is no issue.
 

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Well CT can't be broken by these two even with full intel. Izanagi alters Danzo's own reality but he'll keep on getting sucked inside CT over and over again. Animal path summons, Asura path rockets put pressure on the two while their ninjutsu gets sucked up by preta path. Danzo's respawn is countered by linked vision. If any path dies, Naraka can revive the path. Preta path was fast enough to intercept an FRS IIRC which is much faster than any techniques in Danzo or Hiruzen's arsenal so with preta being a constant annoyance, Hiruzen will probably use Enma against it but the preta path will have backup from Asura path and some Animal path summons so getting close may prove troublesome. The shinra tensei used on the boss summons could clear all of Hiruzen's clones if he or Enma decide to use clones.

I'd give it to Pain with high difficulty due to team Konoha possessing full intel under the assumption this is full power Pain and not the one Naruto fought against.

Yes, CT is the biggest issue here.

But like I said in an earlier post, the OP mentions nothing about Nagato, who Deva has to be near to perform it.

If given the ability to use CT, this would be over pretty quickly I imagine. Even if Hiruzen's elemental blasts would be enough to destroy it, he would first have to buy enough time to be able to do that, and would also end up draining a decent deal of his chakra on a single technique, which wouldn't bode well for the rest of the fight.
 

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Since there is no manga indication or logical reasoning to state that the Peins are 1/30000th or old hiruzens power, and his rinnegan is tiers below monkey enma as feats show, means that old hiruzen beats him comfortably, let alone prime hiruzen who not even Rikudo naruto or rinnegan sasuke could beat

Hiruzen and Danzo low diff
 

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Chibaku Tensei followed by summonings rape thee old men.
 

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Danzo & Hiruzen have no way of detecting the invisible chameleon, which means Animal Path is free to spam summons their way, and they will have to constantly deal with an immortal multiplying dog that can provide pressure on the duo (along with Asura Path missiles), and can be used as meatshields for the Paths. Preta Path makes Hiruzen and Danzo's elemental jutsus irrelevant whereas it will only take one boss toad-sized ST to take Hiruzen out of the fight.

Even with full intel, Danzo and Hiruzen have no way of taking out Deva during his cooldown due to Preta Path negating ninjutsu, a summon throwing itself in the way as a meatshield, another Path throwing itself in the way as a meatshield, or Deva Path dodging their attacks due to his own speed feats of dodging Rasenshuriken twice, as well as reacting to and outspeeding 6 Tailed Naruto. Neither are they getting close to Naraka Path until they get rid of Deva and Preta Path first.

Hiruzen and Danzo's non-ninjutsu projectiles get blasted to oblivion by Asura Path's laser, along with anything within their general vicinity. Or they're countered with Asura Path missiles. Or ST. Or blocked with summons. Or simply dodged like Rasenshuriken.

If they engage in close combat with any Path not named Deva they become vulnerable to being caught off guard by a Bansho Tenin then being stabbed with a chakra rod, which would pretty much be game over for Hiruzen. In fact, Hiruzen and Danzo's chances of winning plummet once Hiruzen is taken out, and he can be taken care of in a myriad of ways, whether it be boss-toad sized ST, being ambushed by the invisible chameleon then Soul Ripped, being caught off guard by Bansho Tenin and stabbed with chakra rods, or even getting Enma taken away from him with Bansho Tenin then being blasted to bits with an Asura Path laser.

Afterwards it would just be a matter of looking out for Danzo and killing him when he respawns, an easy matter with the Paths' and summons' viewpoints. Hell, Pain could use CST if he's in a bad mood that day and take out Hiruzen outright, then keep on killing Danzo with the rest of the Paths' abilities. ST is not needed to take him on alone.
 
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Pain stomps the old farts.
 
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