Madara's PS vs Sasuke's PS

[Apêx1]

No spcification on amount of Rikudo chakra Madara would have. Kakashi has Rikudo PS with low amounts of chakra, so there's no reason to assume every Rikudo PS has as much Rikudo chakra as Sasuke's. Thus Sasuke stomps via more Rikudo chakra.

 

[Zee U]

No spcification on amount of Rikudo chakra Madara would have. Kakashi has Rikudo PS with low amounts of chakra, so there's no reason to assume every Rikudo PS has as much Rikudo chakra as Sasuke's. Thus Sasuke stomps via more Rikudo chakra.

Madara has a ridicolous quantity of Rikudou chakra, seeing as his Susanoo was never enhanced by the boost you would expect. If like people say he possessed this kind of "Yin Yang 100% Rikudou Chakra" his PS wouldn't have been vaped by Juubidamas. Ok, he was an Edo, maybe he didn't have. Why didn't his Katon get a boost after the Rinne Tensei? Why was his Susanoo busted by 9 slaps (with also a Senjutsu boost), why was his Ribcage damaged by a ridicolous Suiton by Tobirama? Simple, because he doesn't such huge quantity.

I swear if someone comes in and says "Madara wasn't serious"...

 

[JStar King]

Rikudou Senjutsu from Juubi Coffin Seal + Juubi's chakra + that small portion of Hagoromo's chakra > Half of Hagoromo's chakra

JJ Madara's Full body Susanoo is between Rikudou Sasuke's own and his Majestic garb (Bijuu lightning chakra), being more close in power to the former.

Madara couldn't use Susanoo with Juubi chakra.

 

[Apêx1]

Madara has a ridicolous quantity of Rikudou chakra, seeing as his Susanoo was never enhanced by the boost you would expect. If like people say he possessed this kind of "Yin Yang 100% Rikudou Chakra" his PS wouldn't have been vaped by Juubidamas. Ok, he was an Edo, maybe he didn't have. Why didn't his Katon get a boost after the Rinne Tensei? Why was his Susanoo busted by 9 slaps (with also a Senjutsu boost), why was his Ribcage damaged by a ridicolous Suiton by Tobirama? Simple, because he doesn't such huge quantity.

I swear if someone comes in and says "Madara wasn't serious"...

I concur. Madara's Rikudo chakra is watered down from many generations. Many people like to think that him waiting a shit tonne of years meant he awakened Hagromo's chakra to its fullest, when nothing substantiates such claims. Sure, he has little amounts of true Hagromo chakra produced by lots of watered down Asura+Indra chakra coming together. But saying he has as much as 50% Yang or Yin Rikudo chakra is completely fallacious. Evident by feats, portrayal, manga and Databook saying Naruto's Yang capabilities are ahead of Madara's, meaning Sasuke's Yin is ahead of Madara's as well.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Rikudo madaras PS would be superior
Six Paths Senjutsu + Juubi chakra + Rikudo chakra >> Rikudo chakra

What is Six path senjutsu? if it's not Rikudo chakra? ​

 

[Zee U]

What is Six path senjutsu? if it's not Rikudo chakra? ​

The combination of Senjutsu chakra and the Juubi/Bijuu's chakra, basically Sage Mode on steroids.

 

[TRE MERCER]

The combination of Senjutsu chakra and the Juubi/Bijuu's chakra, basically Sage Mode on steroids.

AHHH i see. ​

 

[KidGamer65]

It seems I have a fan in this thread. Lol

Not sure why people are trying to divide Juubi's power as "Juubi Chakra, Rikudo Senjutsu, and Rikudo Chakra" when it's all one chakra. Just Rikudo Chakra, except the Six Path's Senjutsu, that comes from the Juubi. When Obito stole chakra from Madara he didn't get some weird "Juubi Chakra" he got Rikudo Chakra. Juubi's chakra being Rikudo Chakra makes sense anyway:

-Kakashi states that those who got Rikudo's Power could float. (Including Obito, meaning his Rikudo Chakra came from the Juubi)

-Kaguya is the originator of Hagoromo's chakra, Rikudo Chakra, and she is the Juubi. Only makes sense that the Juubi's Chakra is Rikudo Chakra.

-And once again, when Obito stole chakra from JJ Madara, he took chakra from his Coffin Seal transformation, and that was Rikudo Chakra.

JJ Madara has Rikudo Senjutsu buffing his Susanoo while Sasuke has half of Hagoromo's Chakra buffing his Susanoo. That's it.

Naruto and Sasuke both got Rikudo Chakra, but Naruto got Six Path's Senjutsu as well, in the form of Six Path's Sage Mode, while Sasuke just got half of Rikudo's Chakra. If we go by the logic being used in this thread, Naruto's Kurama Avatar should be far above Sasuke's PS in every way since Naruto supposedly has two things boosting his Ninjutsu while Sasuke only has one....yet their Avatars are equals.

Though, a boost from the Juubi should be above a boost from half of Hagoromo's chakra, so Madara's PS is superior. But there is no ridiculous gap in strength.

 

[Apêx1]

It seems I have a fan in this thread. Lol

Not sure why people are trying to divide Juubi's power as "Juubi Chakra, Rikudo Senjutsu, and Rikudo Chakra" when it's all one chakra. Just Rikudo Chakra, except the Six Path's Senjutsu, that comes from the Juubi.

Naruto and Sasuke both got Rikudo Chakra, but Naruto got Six Path's Senjutsu as well, in the form of Six Path's Sage Mode, while Sasuke just got half of Rikudo's Chakra. If we go by the logic being used in this thread, Naruto's Kurama Avatar should be far above Sasuke's PS in every way since Naruto supposedly has two things boosting his Ninjutsu while Sasuke only has one....yet their Avatars are equals.

Though, a boost from the Juubi should be above a boost from half of Hagoromo's chakra, so Madara's PS is superior. But there is no ridiculous gap in strength.

But by that logic, why is Naruto's reaction speed in potential superiority of Madara's (even though this entry is talking about 6 paths senjtsu mode;

The big header basically says it's a gift from the ancestor of shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things.

From what I can make out of the main body of text, it says that this is a technique that allows the user to quickly grasp the nature of chakra with the skill of a well-studied, highly sensitive master. It also seems to have a bunch of philosphical stuff about the Sage of Six Paths which is hard to make out because I can only read about half of it.

Top caption says that the caster has an unconcious/automatic mastery of the Sage of Six Path's "ability to levitate" (浮遊する能力, fuyū suru nōryoku).

Second caption says, "Kicking a Truthseeker Orb! Surpassing Kurama Mode, his vast chakra lets him perform this risky stunt!"

Third caption says, "His reaction speed meets or exceeds that of Madara in his Ten Tails Jinchuriki Form. It's the height of sensory ability!"

And do note, this is a Madara with Dojutsu and sensory, meaning Naruto's Sensory lonesome trumps Madara's sensory and eyes.

 

[KidGamer65]

But by that logic, why is Naruto's reaction speed in potential superiority of Madara's (even though this entry is talking about 6 paths senjtsu mode;


And do note, this is a Madara with Dojutsu and sensory, meaning Naruto's Sensory lonesome trumps Madara's sensory and eyes.

Probably because it excels in certain areas that the Coffin Seal Transformation doesn't excel in. Naruto's shown to be more durable than Madara, to have more physical strength than him, and to be faster. It seems Six Path's Sage Mode did more for Naruto's physical stats than it did for Madara, while Madara got regen and more firepower, which is pretty much only the Juubi's Bijuu Dama.

Maybe Naruto's mode is overall superior in boosts too. I honestly don't see Hagoromo's chakra being that far off from the Juubi's in strength. Juubi is a weaker form of Kaguya, and that's where Hagoromo got his chakra from. If Madara's Susanoo is better, there is no way it's far above like some people are suggesting.

Hell, Juubi is stated to give you Hagoromo's power. As far as I'm concerned you get similar power, but from a different source. Obito and Madara got his power from the Juubi, and Sasuke and Naruto got his power directly from the source. Madara's Susanoo was superior before, so it's superior now though.

 

[Bronze]

This is quite amusing.

Why didn't Sasuke's Katon become bigger and stronger in

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? Why didn't Sasuke's V3 Susanoo failed to pierce the Gududama, [

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]? Why didn't his base Chidori become any stronger? Don't grasp upon hasty generalization; it's one of the most disgusting forms of discussion. There were many cases where Sasuke's techniques should have been enhanced by the Six Paths Chakra, but haven't shown any difference. So, why exactly criticize Madara's case? If you want to play the hasty generalization, I'll play it too; it's an awesome game. Edo Madara? He doesn't have the Six Paths Chakra. It was only produced when he awoke the Rinnegan, which in his Edo state is a fake one. Don't bother using him as example.

I'll simple copy what I originally wrote:

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You must understand the biological adoption behind this.

Why do you think it took almost Madara's entire life to awaken the Rinnegan? When he merged Indra's and Ashura's Chakra together eating Hashirama's flesh, Rikudou's Chakra had not manifested. Only until Madara had grown extremely old. This means the Chakra of Indra and Ashura inside Madara, had adapted for many years...so many years until it finally became just like Hagoromo's Chakra, which resulted the Rinnegan.

It took 50% of Hagoromo's Chakra just to only give it Sasuke, and only resulted one Rinnegan. Now having two of them would surely bring out all of it.

It's also funny how every time I mention the biological adaptation of Madara's Rinnegan awakening, it's ignored. Especially for Apex before. It's okay, I accept your concession if that was the case.

 

[Apêx1]

Probably because it excels in certain areas that the Coffin Seal Transformation doesn't excel in. Naruto's shown to be more durable than Madara, to have more physical strength than him, and to be faster. It seems Six Path's Sage Mode did more for Naruto's physical stats than it did for Madara, while Madara got regen and more firepower, which is pretty much only the Juubi's Bijuu Dama.

Maybe Naruto's mode is overall superior in boosts too. I honestly don't see Hagoromo's chakra being that far off from the Juubi's in strength. Juubi is a weaker form of Kaguya, and that's where Hagoromo got his chakra from. If Madara's Susanoo is better, there is no way it's far above like some people are suggesting.

Hell, Juubi is stated to give you Hagoromo's power. As far as I'm concerned you get similar power, but from a different source. Obito and Madara got his power from the Juubi, and Sasuke and Naruto got his power directly from the source. Madara's Susanoo was superior before, so it's superior now though.

I am pretty sure TBBRS was scaled above Juubi TBB, since Juubi TBB is what, large island level? Whereas some calcs on Narutoforums show Naruto's TBBRS as large country level (and even continental, which I doubt).

Hagromo's chakra seems to be stronger than the Juubi's, since his chakra is from his mother, who ate the fruit (

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And I disagree, seems to me like Juubi's chakra is far less potent than chakra branched directly from the fruit. Though I agree their overall boosts seem superior (and the fruit's chakra could be the most genuine explanation as to why).

 

[KidGamer65]

I am pretty sure TBBRS was scaled above Juubi TBB, since Juubi TBB is what, large island level? Whereas some calcs on Narutoforums show Naruto's TBBRS as large country level (and even continental, which I doubt).

I heard that Juubi's Bijuu Dama was continental at least, never actually saw a calc for it though.

Hagromo's chakra seems to be stronger than the Juubi's, since his chakra is from his mother, who ate the fruit (

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That's entirely possible, and actually makes sense, given Obito (who has the Juubi) compared to Naruto or Sasuke. (who has half of Hagoromo's chakra) Madara doesn't really count since he's not on their level unless he has the Juubi and two Rinnegan.

And I disagree, seems to me like Juubi's chakra is far less potent than chakra branched directly from the fruit. Though I agree their overall boosts seem superior (and the fruit's chakra could be the most genuine explanation as to why).

I don't know about far, but it being superior is likely.

 

[KidGamer65]

But I take calcs with a very small grain of salt. OBD has Shinsuusenju calcled at Country Level DC. Lol

 

[BlacLord™]

Madara PS >>> EMS Sasuke PS
RG Sasuke PS >> Madara PS

Maybe RS Madara's PS would've been better, but since he never used it, we can't say.

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

Madara's regular PS stomps Sasuke's non Bijuu PS, if Madara used Juubi PS than he would've negged Sasuke's Bijuu PS easily

 

[Zee U]

But I take calcs with a very small grain of salt. OBD has Shinsuusenju calcled at Country Level DC. Lol

If i recall correctly one of Naruto's BDRSs was calced to be 2.6 Petatons or something on LazyWaka's NF blog entry on Madara's CTs. No one calced Juubidama's energy yield bar a calc on Skinny Juubi's BB that resulted in 5-7 teratons, on LazyWaka's blog regarding the width of the crater caused by the Bijuus' BBs.

 

[KidGamer65]

If i recall correctly one of Naruto's BDRSs was calced to be 2.6 Petatons or something on LazyWaka's NF blog entry on Madara's CTs. No one calced Juubidama's energy yield bar a calc on Skinny Juubi's BB that resulted in 5-7 teratons, on LazyWaka's blog regarding the width of the crater caused by the Bijuus' BBs.

Damn, just one? Can that even be right? Lol.

 

[RustledJimmies]

If i recall correctly one of Naruto's BDRSs was calced to be 2.6 Petatons or something on LazyWaka's NF blog entry on Madara's CTs. No one calced Juubidama's energy yield bar a calc on Skinny Juubi's BB that resulted in 5-7 teratons, on LazyWaka's blog regarding the width of the crater caused by the Bijuus' BBs.

Dafuq ? Continent level BDFRS ?

But I take calcs with a very small grain of salt. OBD has Shinsuusenju calcled at Country Level DC. Lol

Pretty sure it was Island level tho.

 

[Zee U]

Damn, just one? Can that even be right? Lol.

Crazy shit i know, it's on page 3 of LazyWaka's blog entry "Madara's Chibaku Tenseis" it was done by another user, but it seems legit since no one criticized him or something like that. Can't link it since i'm on mobile.

Now i just wonder how many energy does a Chou Oudama Bijuudama Rasenshuriken fueled by an abnormal quantity of nature energy yield... and JJ Hagoromo is on a whole another level and still way below Kaguya Lol Moon busting is real.