Time skip Sasuke is a lot stronger than Time skip Naruto ?

[Trúth]

but you'd have to be an idiot to say he's stronger than Adult Naruto, even with Rin'negan mastery.

Well, lets just say he's an Awkward Linguist, rather than an idiot. And you don't have to be an idiot to make this claim.​

What does Rin'negan mastery do for him in a fight against Naruto

Nothing much. Just gives him the win.​

Mastery of the Six Paths? Only Deva, Preta and Outer Path are even useful against Naruto, and Outer Path is situational because he won't have the Bijuu's beside him to take chakra this time.

With Petra path, all his abilities are sucked in. Senjutsu is no problem for Sasuke, as proven through Jugo and the latest incident, and the fact that he can handle the Sage's Senjutsu with finesse. If he can handle that, Naruto's is practically nothing. After all, it's Sasuke whose chakra handling is at the same level as the Sage's, not Naruto's:

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With Shinra Tensai, all his techniques are blown back, BT pulls his closer as he pulled those CTs towards himself when they were so far away:

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. Push and Pull grants Sasuke infinite chances to cancel out any damage and techniques and by pulling Naruto, he's open to petra path. Nagato had far far less chakra than Bee and KCM Naruto, yet look what happened to both of them.

Sasuke wins this fight handily, when any attack Naruto throws at him is easily absorbed. Sasuke's reserves would grow, and Naruto's would continue to deplete.​

Naruto laughs off Chibaku Tensei with superior destructive capability and Preta will only be used in CQC, seeing as how majority of the fight will be between their chakra avatars.

How does Naruto counter CT when he himself is the core?
Don't worry, I'll wait. ​

Amenotejikara is the only remotely threatening ability and Naruto can still sense Sasuke and it won't end Naruto given his durability.

Used in conjunction with his other abilities? Naruto's a dead man bruh.​

Indra's Arrow won't stalemate this time because Naruto has Full Kurama, meaning he can absorb more Nature energy and overpower Indra's Arrow.

It isn't needed.​

Now what does that leave us with? If you want to scale anything, you'd also have to scale that Naruto's Ashura Avatar with Half Kurama was equal to Sasuke's Bijuu enhanced PS. If you take away the Bijuu PS, Naruto's avatar nukes Sasuke's PS.

That actually works in Sasuke's favor.

Naruto goes full on BM chakra to combat Sasuke's PS. Sasuke turns him into a core for Chibaku tensei and Naruto suffers the same fate as the beasts. The most likely scenario is considering his huge mass is that he wouldn't be able to move with all the gravity weighing down on him and he suffocates to death after being covered by Rocks. But even if he can move and tries breaking out he IS the core and cannot escape himself. Eventually he will be covered completely or Sasuke will just use the opportunity to blitz him.

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Sasuke isn't beating a Full Kurama Rikudou Naruto when he could only stalemate a Half Kurama Naruto who had no access to the Bijuu besides Kurama and he himself had the Bijuu; Rin'negan mastery doesn't change that.

Haven't you heard of plot protection?

Here's another scenario for you.

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And proceeds to take Naruto out while the bijuu are trapped.

 

[IceSlayer]

All which noodles solos while mating with Hinata

Should have known before arguing with you, your just a Naruto and Hinata wanker who doesn't see the facts

I think you forgot the pain fight where Naruto was easily solo'd by pain once he got his full power back, even when pain had only 1/6 of the rinnegan power while not being the original owner without Kurama taking over he would have died

 

[BLAZE]

Damn Judgement is here too
This is goona be Good

 

[Holy God]

You mean his inferior to Bijuu PS Susano'o? Please.

Naruto's three headed Ashura Avatar annihilates any Susano'o below the Bijuu PS one. Not to mention this is a FULL KURAMA Naruto. Meaning his avatar is stronger, more durably and larger, scaled to more of the size of actual Kurama, which was similar in size to Madara's Susano'o.

That makes no difference. The Ashura avatar doesn't add any more power besides some arms and tails. He's only putting together what he split with the Shadow clones. Sasuke uses Amaterasu to increase the damage and spread of his attacks so that he matches Kurama's output.

 

[IceSlayer]

So you know more than the manga than Kishi?
Sakura absorbed the chakra of the tailed beasts, do you want scans?
Come on mate, I don't have time to waste if you aren't being serious about this discussion. Go get your information, I could care less about what you think if you can't back it up with hard, cold facts.

I never said Naruto didn't have the 9 tailed beast chakra, I just said he never used it. Only RSM mode Lol

Look at this guy can't even probably counter my argument just questions them like a child, Lol

Sasuke absorbed the beast for chakra, they both ran out, Sasuke took that as advantage and proceeded to take the tailed beast to gain chakra, Naruto pulled through as Kurama saved his ass again by gathering chakra from the valley

 

[Transcendence]

1) Naruto actually 'dodging' Limbo in the first place should be a plot hole, since later on he was struggling to keep up with it and had to rely on Sasuke to keep up with it. I think kishimoto only did this just to get Naruto to land an attack on him so that he could absorb the tree and later transform into kaguya. Sasuke using Limbo if possible would be an overkill, seeing as his Limbo has access to his own Rinne abilities, such as Ame and Human path. And If Sasuke falls into a trap or anything, there's only Limbo switch.

2) CQC? Eh. I don't see why Sasuke shouldn't be able to use Preta whilst in his susano as seen he could use Chidori. Therefore meaning any attack mostly TBBs aimed at sasuke himself or his chibaku tensei etc would be absorbed no problem. If Naruto's TBB contains senjutsu then Sasuke always has shinra tensei to deflect it.


3) Naruto may be able to sense Sasuke if he uses Ame, but can he really keep up with multiple Ame's used consecutively?

4) In their previous fight, Sasuke may have used chakra from 7 (?) bijuus but that was to balance the fight out, seeing as Kurama's chakra producing capabilities matches to that of all 7 bijuu's, therefore literally meaning that Naruto's kurama had gathered at least the same quantity of chakra as sasuke absorbed from his bijuu.


5) Naruto with full Kurama doesn't mean anything special. Only his TBBs will be twice as large, and chakra reserves will be twice as large. I doubt it will come down to whoever runs out of chakra first.

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So ignorant.

1. You call plot hole simply because it goes against your little Madara Lol. Naruto was already said to have the most powerful Senjutsu in the manga, meaning his sensing is by far the best. You just don't want to admit it. And how many times does the manga have to stipulate that Limbo's cannot use jutsu, besides the use of Taijutsu? If that was so, Madara's Limbo clones would have done so against Naruto's clones to win, but instead they stalemated. Limbo is an equalizing ability, but Naruto's sensing counteracts it. To deny this would be going against what the manga showed us.

2. Madara already proved that you can't use Preta while you use Susano'o. I'm too lazy and hard pressed to find the scan, but when he let Ohonki hit him with Jinton, he was trying to get out of the way of the Gokage's combined attack, saying he wanted to absorb it, which is why he was trying to get outside of Susano'o; you can't absorb while inside Susano'o. Absorbing a TBB? Remind me how long it would take to absorb something so abnormally large. Shinra Tensei deflects one and then during the cool down Naruto fires another. What now?

3. Not conclusive at all. Sasuke has nothing to put Naruto down even with consecutive uses. He couldn't even pierce Naruto with a direct Chidori which is his main CQC move.

4. Exactly... So if Sasuke doesn't have the Bijuu, he's not winning here. You just further proved my point.

5. Sure it does. His avatar grows in size, he gets more chakra (doubled), his TBB's will be much stronger (adding Senjutsu as well) AND if you haven't noticed with Jins (mostly Juubi Jins and Naruto is essentially a Pseudo Juubi Jin) the more chakra they have, the faster they are. So Naruto with Full Kurama is logically faster than he is now, which is obscene.

 

[lndra]

Should have known before arguing with you, your just a Naruto and Hinata wanker who doesn't see the facts

I think you forgot the pain fight where Naruto was easily solo'd by pain once he got his full power back, even when pain had only 1/6 of the rinnegan power while not being the original owner without Kurama taking over he would have died

I don't even have to take you seriously to neg your posts.
Your self explanatory towards the manga proves to be distasteful in the minds of those who fap characters equally


Yeah bring up a post I never sent you - Means you couldn't take my other post to you
Bring up Naruto vs Pain - Didn't even master KCM yet

Hmm ... are you pathetic yet or is it just me? U_U

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

So you know more than the manga than Kishi?
Sakura absorbed the chakra of the tailed beasts, do you want scans?
Come on mate, I don't have time to waste if you aren't being serious about this discussion. Go get your information, I could care less about what you think if you can't back it up with hard, cold facts.

I never said Naruto didn't have the 9 tailed beast chakra, I just said he never used it. Only RSM mode Lol

If he never used it then how is it even possible that he would have no chakra at the end of the battle? And he ran out multiple times before hand.

 

[TrollKing]

Hahahaha,wow,this is great.I've been gone for four days and this is the first thread i come back to.

1)The battle was a draw - they were both laying on the ground,unable to move,passedieing from bloodloss from having an arm cut off.Sasuke said he lost as a friendly gesture to Naruto HOURS after the fight ended when they still couldn't move,and Naruto himself rejected what Sasuke said.Naruto said this wasn't a battle where you could win or lose.

2)Sasuke had more of a chance to win that battle,and in the future.

3)Future Sasuke

Sasuke can master the Rinnegan,which allows the user to use/master all 5 basic nature elements,so Sasuke can master the other 3 he hasn't yet - Wind,Earth,and Water.And the Sharingan can perfectly copy all jutsu besides KKG.

Sasuke has the potential to master nearly all jutsu - Basic Nature Elements,Sealing Jutsu,Barrier Jutsu,Space Time Ninjutsu,,etc.Then there's the Rinnegan paths - in his battle against Naruto he only used 2 Tendo path Techniques,Chibaku Tensei,Bansho Tenin (To to bring the Bijuu in CT to him),Outer Path (To use Susano'o as a Vessel),and Preta Path (To absorb the Kyuubi's chakra from Naruto) - and he couldn't use Enton Chidori and absorb at the same time since he hadn't mastered it yet.

There's still Animal Path,Asura Path (Mechanical),Naraka Path (Revival),Shinra Tensei,and Human Path.Sasuke's potential is way better than Naruto's.

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People mistaken the talent/potential of bijuus is naruto's talent/potential. But then them bijuus have no talent nor potential at all. They are sold as it is XD

 

[BLAZE]

whats my opinion
Shinra tensei via PS negs mother of father of jin with Full Kurama

Peace

 

[lndra]

Look at this guy can't even probably counter my argument just questions them like a child, Lol

Sasuke absorbed the beast for chakra, they both ran out, Sasuke took that as advantage and proceeded to take the tailed beast to gain chakra, Naruto pulled through as Kurama saved his ass again by gathering chakra from the valley

You couldn't even answer my question correctly.
Naruto absorbed the tailed beast chakra, we already said this and three other people quoted you with the same response. Trying to hide your fails Lol?

OH! Naruto beat Sasuke because of Kurama? Tell me how Sasuke was going to beat Naruto without stealing the power of 9 tailed beasts. Kid, keep on trying, cause your just not there yet ~

 

[BLAZE]

Skorm is here

 

[IceSlayer]

I don't even have to take you seriously to neg your posts.
Your self explanatory towards the manga proves to be distasteful in the minds of those who fap characters equally


Yeah bring up a post I never sent you - Means you couldn't take my other post to you
Bring up Naruto vs Pain - Didn't even master KCM yet

Hmm ... are you pathetic yet or is it just me? U_U

Sage mode Naruto couldn't even touch powered pain without being pinned to the floor, pain only had one sixth power of the rinnegan plus it wasn't his, he only survived due to Kurama, he fought Narutos battle..... Literally, Naruto had no control Kuruma was fighting solo while caged Lol

Go read the manga before you make yourself look pathetic U_U

 

[Itachi of the Uchiha clan]

Sage mode Naruto couldn't even touch powered pain without being pinned to the floor, pain only had one sixth power of the rinnegan plus it wasn't his, he only survived due to Kurama, he fought Narutos battle..... Literally, Naruto had no control Kuruma was fighting solo while caged Lol

Go read the manga before you make yourself look pathetic U_U

sasuke has itachi's eyes, naruto has kurama

 

[BLAZE]

oh well

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[Transcendence]

Well, lets just say he's an Awkward Linguist, rather than an idiot. And you don't have to be an idiot to make this claim.​

Nothing much. Just gives him the win.​

With Petra path, all his abilities are sucked in. Senjutsu is no problem for Sasuke, as proven through Jugo and the latest incident, and the fact that he can handle the Sage's Senjutsu with finesse. If he can handle that, Naruto's is practically nothing. After all, it's Sasuke whose chakra handling is at the same level as the Sage's, not Naruto's:

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With Shinra Tensai, all his techniques are blown back, BT pulls his closer as he pulled those CTs towards himself when they were so far away:

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. Push and Pull grants Sasuke infinite chances to cancel out any damage and techniques and by pulling Naruto, he's open to petra path. Nagato had far far less chakra than Bee and KCM Naruto, yet look what happened to both of them.

Sasuke wins this fight handily, when any attack Naruto throws at him is easily absorbed. Sasuke's reserves would grow, and Naruto's would continue to deplete.​

How does Naruto counter CT when he himself is the core?
Don't worry, I'll wait. ​

Used in conjunction with his other abilities? Naruto's a dead man bruh.​

It isn't needed.​

That actually works in Sasuke's favor.

Naruto goes full on BM chakra to combat Sasuke's PS. Sasuke turns him into a core for Chibaku tensei and Naruto suffers the same fate as the beasts. The most likely scenario is considering his huge mass is that he wouldn't be able to move with all the gravity weighing down on him and he suffocates to death after being covered by Rocks. But even if he can move and tries breaking out he IS the core and cannot escape himself. Eventually he will be covered completely or Sasuke will just use the opportunity to blitz him.

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Haven't you heard of plot protection?

Here's another scenario for you.

Spoiler

Sasuke does

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And proceeds to take Naruto out while the bijuu are trapped.

Man... this is why I really don't like being part of this fan base besides a select few people. You all let bias cloud your judgment and it's pathetic. But alas, I'll address your "points".

- No, you would have to be an idiot to make said claim. Sasuke loses the Bijuu but gains Rin'negan mastery. Naruto loses nothing but gains Bijuu KKG mastery AND the other half of Kurama. In the first scenario, they tied. Now without being biased, logically, who wins the second scenario?

- Biased as usual.

- I didn't even use the Senjutsu argument because in all technicality, Sasuke can handle nature energy as he has experience with it and VOTE2 he matched the attacks pound for pound. Remind me how Sasuke can use preta path can be used through Susano'o when Madara himself couldn't even do that. Preta is only making an impact on this fight after they finish fighting with their chakra avatars, but that won't happen seeing as how Naruto's superior full Kurama Ashura Avatar is scaled above any other PS shown. Sasuke without any Bijuu's will not match something that matched his Bijuu PS. Are you forgetting there's a cool down for ALL of that? Sasuke deflects an attack, there's a cool down, it leaves Sasuke open for TBB spam during said cool down. Sasuke attempts to pull Naruto, Naruto goes avatar mode and lets out a Tailed Beasts roar (amplified by Rikudou chakra) and pushes Naruto back with superior force mitigating the use of Bansho Tenin. Likewise, Sasuke attempting to use CT on Naruto; Naruto overpowers it with his superior force via his much larger chakra avatar which should logically have a stronger roar creating more force. This is the same roar that pushed back 5 fully transformed tailed beasts. Considering Sasuke's CT was Bijuu sized, and Naruto is 100's of times stronger than when he first roared, Naruto is overpowering the force of the core with his roar without much trouble.

- Point already countered above. Naruto is tiers above the Bijuu in strength, so even if he was ever caught in CT (which isn't happening), he'll break out easily.

- Not at all. He already tried that with a diversion using Katons and his Chidori didn't even pierce Naruto.

- ... Seriously? Sasuke needed Indra's Arrow against a weaker Naruto and he won't need it now against a Naruto with 12 years more experience, Full Kurama AND mastery of the Bijuu's KKG for every scenario? You amaze me.

- I've already addressed this Naruto getting caught in CT BS. You're just grasping at straws since that will never happen. And Sasuke can blitz all he wants. If Chidori isn't even denting Naruto because of his durability, Naruto isn't dying here.

- Oh, plot protection! Concession accepted.

 

[lndra]

Sage mode Naruto couldn't even touch powered pain without being pinned to the floor, pain only had one sixth power of the rinnegan plus it wasn't his, he only survived due to Kurama, he fought Narutos battle..... Literally, Naruto had no control Kuruma was fighting solo while caged Lol

Go read the manga before you make yourself look pathetic U_U

So your comparing Sage mode towards the Rinnegan, when the Rinnegan came from the Sharinngan which derived from the Shinju which Hagoromo became the Jinchuriki for?

Hagoromo - Body & Eye

Ashura - Body - Shinju Body
Indra - Eye - Shinju Eye

Your trying to state that Sage mode should of been stronger than that? Please son, go re-read the manga. I can't even take this level of wank from you. You even lost the original discussion somewhere along your other 3 posts of fail.

I guess Greg King was right: "Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."

 

[Holy God]

sasuke has itachi's eyes, naruto has kurama

Itachi's Eyes:
Perception of Light

Kurama:
Large Mass Of Chakra
Regeneration
Speed
Strength
Sense Of Threat
Tailed Beast Mode
Tailed Beast Bomb
Plethora Of Tailed Beast Cloak Variations

 

[IceSlayer]

You couldn't even answer my question correctly.
Naruto absorbed the tailed beast chakra, we already said this and three other people quoted you with the same response. Trying to hide your fails Lol?

OH! Naruto beat Sasuke because of Kurama? Tell me how Sasuke was going to beat Naruto without stealing the power of 9 tailed beasts. Kid, keep on trying, cause your just not there yet ~

Let me tell you this again in basic English

Both Sasuke and Naruto ran out of chakra from their previous fights, Sasuke took this a advantage and absorbed the tailed beasts chakra to boost his supply while Naruto's is still low, however what Sasuke didn't realize was while he was fighting Naruto and Kurama's clone, below Kurama was absorbing all the valleys natural energy refilling his chakra, it took the entire valley nature energy to match Sasuke's at the end they became matched, that's why the final attack took both of them out

Stop being a whiny fanboy and read the manga without being a b*tch

So your comparing Sage mode towards the Rinnegan, when the Rinnegan came from the Sharinngan which derived from the Shinju which Hagoromo became the Jinchuriki for?

Hagoromo - Body & Eye

Ashura - Body - Shinju Body
Indra - Eye - Shinju Eye

Your trying to state that Sage mode should of been stronger than that? Please son, go re-read the manga. I can't even take this level of wank from you. You even lost the original discussion somewhere along your other 3 posts of fail.

I guess Greg King was right: "Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."

Lol, you just admitted Rinnegan >>>> Senjutsu

Like I said the fight was
1/6 unoriginal rinnegan >>>> sage mode

 

[TrollKing]

Man... this is why I really don't like being part of this fan base besides a select few people. You all let bias cloud your judgment and it's pathetic. But alas, I'll address your "points".

- No, you would have to be an idiot to make said claim. Sasuke loses the Bijuu but gains Rin'negan mastery. Naruto loses nothing but gains Bijuu KKG mastery AND the other half of Kurama. In the first scenario, they tied. Now without being biased, logically, who wins the second scenario?

- Biased as usual.

- I didn't even use the Senjutsu argument because in all technicality, Sasuke can handle nature energy as he has experience with it and VOTE2 he matched the attacks pound for pound. Remind me how Sasuke can use preta path can be used through Susano'o when Madara himself couldn't even do that. Preta is only making an impact on this fight after they finish fighting with their chakra avatars, but that won't happen seeing as how Naruto's superior full Kurama Ashura Avatar is scaled above any other PS shown. Sasuke without any Bijuu's will not match something that matched his Bijuu PS. Are you forgetting there's a cool down for ALL of that? Sasuke deflects an attack, there's a cool down, it leaves Sasuke open for TBB spam during said cool down. Sasuke attempts to pull Naruto, Naruto goes avatar mode and lets out a Tailed Beasts roar (amplified by Rikudou chakra) and pushes Naruto back with superior force mitigating the use of Bansho Tenin. Likewise, Sasuke attempting to use CT on Naruto; Naruto overpowers it with his superior force via his much larger chakra avatar which should logically have a stronger roar creating more force. This is the same roar that pushed back 5 fully transformed tailed beasts. Considering Sasuke's CT was Bijuu sized, and Naruto is 100's of times stronger than when he first roared, Naruto is overpowering the force of the core with his roar without much trouble.

- Point already countered above. Naruto is tiers above the Bijuu in strength, so even if he was ever caught in CT (which isn't happening), he'll break out easily.

- Not at all. He already tried that with a diversion using Katons and his Chidori didn't even pierce Naruto.

- ... Seriously? Sasuke needed Indra's Arrow against a weaker Naruto and he won't need it now against a Naruto with 12 years more experience, Full Kurama AND mastery of the Bijuu's KKG for every scenario? You amaze me.

- I've already addressed this Naruto getting caught in CT BS. You're just grasping at straws since that will never happen. And Sasuke can blitz all he wants. If Chidori isn't even denting Naruto because of his durability, Naruto isn't dying here.

- Oh, plot protection! Concession accepted.

You know what's the biggest fallacy fans have?? They use plot armor as facts and brag about asspull no jutsu Lol