Uchiha Itachi, Kishimoto's best written character.

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He's up there with Gaara, Kabuto, Madara, Naruto, Obito, Sasori, and Sasuke as one of the best written character, imo :)

They're really good, yeah. But in my pov, they don't have the depth and complexity which Itachi has.
 

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Aaand it became a bash thread. Why Im not surprised?
OT: Great thread. A like for your effort!
 

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Aaand it became a bash thread. Why Im not surprised?
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I dont find itachi to be best written character.

Like what do you even mean by that? What are the criteria? Most developed? That cant be it, right?

Just because he was yet another sacrifice in ninja world doesnt make him best written either.
 

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Too perfect imo, he's very unrelatable.
 

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I dont find itachi to be best written character.

Like what do you even mean by that? What are the criteria? Most developed? That cant be it, right?

Just because he was yet another sacrifice in ninja world doesnt make him best written either.

Yeah, I see I made some faults. Nah, he's definitely not most developed. Most complex, to be precise. We can't rationalize his actions and we can't really feel for him, emphatise with him, because we can't imagine ourselves in his shoes, which is what makes him interesting and a bit mysterious. It's good enough for me to be the best, but it's just an opinion.
 

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Yeah, I see I made some faults. Nah, he's definitely not most developed. Most complex, to be precise. We can't rationalize his actions and we can't really feel for him, emphatise with him, because we can't imagine ourselves in his shoes, which is what makes him interesting and a bit mysterious. It's good enough for me to be the best, but it's just an opinion.

@bold- There has been some justification for every foul action the character has committed, and he's the most sympathized character for the Naruto series fandom.

At the beginning of the manga, we learn of Will of Fire and what it actually means when one inherits it. It was basically a notion in which you defend your village and people whenever they're threatened by a danger. To correlate it with real life, it could be an act of patriotism - you love your country and its people and you'll protect them because you hold them dear. The title of Hokage bears that definition in general. It sounds simple and we always encounter such feats and descriptions in any literature/movie/story etc. However, we don't know how deep the emotions, morals and ethics go until we meet Itachi's character. He makes it complex, hard to understand and in some cases, crazy. His acts are criticized by many people, as I've seen, because his Will of Fire was so deeply understood or sunk in that he was ready to murder his entire family for the sake of his village and peace. Sure, it's crazy to murder your own blood, love and future. But that's where the brilliance of his character comes in. Can you imagine what was going on his head when he was trying to decide whether to kill his own clan or just side with them and let the war take care of itself?

@bold- Depends on your point of view.

Some people find his actions to be pretty easy to understand and logical, while he is viewed as a complex character.

As far as the Will of Fire part goes- it's funny that people correlate this so often with his character. Especially when he's never mentioned it himself, not has anyone mentioned him and the Will of Fire in the story. There's more to the Will of Fire than that and it does have a dark side. We never really get to hear his stance on it. We just know that Itachi was an individual who wanted peace, at least as much as was possible at the time.

He didn't only murder his family for the sake of village and peace. He did it also for his clan. It was the only way to help every side in the maximum possible in that circumstance.

It's not crazy given the context of the story to be honest. He's a ninja. We are reading a story about assassins.

No one can imagine it and if he sided with his clan, a war would go on for a while but the Uchiha would lose and be annihilated anyway. It's a fictional story at the end of the day. Those don't correlate to real life all that well.

I understand what you were trying to do with this thread (make a non-troll thread for an Uchiha character). It was a nice attempt and appreciated. :)
 
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No it's the way he presented it, if he really wanted to come off as merely expressing his own opinion then I gave him three prime example of titles that could do that.

Not at all, you are again perceiving it as something it's not because you dislike the contents. Anyone with some common sense would at least expect that it will be based on someone's opinion.

No, the title implies that he has evidence to prove without a shadow of a doubt that itachi is a better character than everyone else.

Do you really believe that? Lol So, if a company advertises a product as "the best" does that make it a fact? No, it does not. You are just finding stupid reasons to slander a thread that doesn't appeal to you.
 

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@bold- Depends on your point of view.

Some people find his actions to be pretty easy to understand and logical, while he is viewed as a complex character.

As far as the Will of Fire part goes- it's funny that people correlate this so often with his character. Especially when he's never mentioned it himself, not has anyone mentioned him and the Will of Fire in the story. There's more to the Will of Fire than that and it does have a dark side. We never really go to hear his stance on it. We just know that Itachi was an individual who wanted peace, at least as much as was possible at the time.

He didn't only murder his family for the sake of village and peace. He did it also for his clan. It was the only way to help every side in the maximum possible in that circumstance.

It's not crazy given the context of the story to be honest. He's a ninja. We are reading a story about assassins.

No one can imagine it and if he sided with his clan, a war would go on for a while but the Uchiha would lose and be annihilated anyway. It's a fictional story at the end of the day. Those don't correlate to real life all that well.

I understand what you were trying to do with this thread (make a non-troll thread for an Uchiha character). It was a nice attempt and appreciated. :)

Cynic making sense once again. Yes, Romy Itachi's one of the best characters in this bloody show and he dodged the bullet of Kishi's crappiness.
 

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@bold- Depends on your point of view.

Some people find his actions to be pretty easy to understand and logical, while he is viewed as a complex character.

As far as the Will of Fire part goes- it's funny that people correlate this so often with his character. Especially when he's never mentioned it himself, not has anyone mentioned him and the Will of Fire in the story. There's more to the Will of Fire than that and it does have a dark side. We never really go to hear his stance on it. We just know that Itachi was an individual who wanted peace, at least as much as was possible at the time.

He didn't only murder his family for the sake of village and peace. He did it also for his clan. It was the only way to help every side in the maximum possible in that circumstance.

It's not crazy given the context of the story to be honest. He's a ninja. We are reading a story about assassins.

No one can imagine it and if he sided with his clan, a war would go on for a while but the Uchiha would lose and be annihilated anyway. It's a fictional story at the end of the day. Those don't correlate to real life all that well.

I understand what you were trying to do with this thread (make a non-troll thread for an Uchiha character). It was a nice attempt and appreciated. :)

Sure, it's all about the point of view.

Logic is fine but emotions are the things that rustle it up. Mixing those two creates a chaos essentially.

But isn't it all the more better for his character? That he's inherited it but he doesn't actually know it?

Yeah, thanks for clarifying it. I see now that I should've spent more time on his points.

Yes, but love is the most powerful force in the world, even in fictional stories. It's hard to understand the reason for killing your own blood.

Exactly, but many other characters are easily correlated with real life, which was exactly the point.

Thanks.
 

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Too perfect imo, he's very unrelatable.

Having blood on your hands, a laconic sense of humour, sick, etc is not perfect. And he is relatable if you actually take the time to analyse his character. Sadly, not many people do this.
 

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They're really good, yeah. But in my pov, they don't have the depth and complexity which Itachi has.

The ones I mentioned (or most of them) have the same amount of depth to their characters if not more, to me at least. ^^
Also I forgot to add Nagato..
 

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Yeah, I see I made some faults. Nah, he's definitely not most developed. Most complex, to be precise. We can't rationalize his actions and we can't really feel for him, emphatise with him, because we can't imagine ourselves in his shoes, which is what makes him interesting and a bit mysterious. It's good enough for me to be the best, but it's just an opinion.

Sure we can, he was pacifist and when presented with two options, he chosen what he thought to be the lesser evil.

But thats my problem with him, it's too simple, too 'leave me alone'. Uchiha like madara, Obito, sasuke fought for the third option, for the options they wanted.

A man should forge his own fate, Itachi didnt, he opted to be tormented.
 

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The ones I mentioned (or most of them) have the same amount of depth to their characters if not more, to me at least. ^^
Also I forgot to add Nagato..

I should have noted that most of them are pretty generic.
 

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Not at all, you are again perceiving it as something it's not because you dislike the contents. Anyone with some common sense would at least expect that it will be based on someone's opinion.

No I'm not, I like itachi, he's one of my favorite characters. That doesn't change the fact that his title still implies what I said it does no matter how you look at it.

Do you really believe that? Lol So, if a company advertises a product as "the best" does that make it a fact? No, it does not. You are just finding stupid reasons to slander a thread that doesn't appeal to you.

Lol Pretty damn hilarious that you would make such a comparison. Those companies are advertising, [aka wanking their own product]. You just proved my point with this statement, the title is nothing more than wank unless he actually had the facts to support his claim.

Again I'll say it so maybe you can understand, Itachi is one of my favorite characters, doesn't change anything I said. I'm not slandering anything, merely pointing out the wank.
 

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Chie is already here
i will pass :coffee:
 
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