[Discussion] Smoker's return

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Do you think Smoker will make a dynamic return sometime in the New world ? So far, he got his a$$ handed to him, so that proved that he isn't quite ready. Now I know that it hasn't been long since Punk Hazard, but when do you think he will return ? And will he be ready ?

Personally I see him taking a "break" from his run. And by break I mean not chasing the Strawhats around. He should focus on training and honing his skills(haki & DF) if he wants to mean business in the New World. v_v

So do you think he'll do that ? Or will he just recover and jump straight back into action with no further training ?

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I think it will be a while before he will chase the Strawhats again
Realistically honestly what can he do right now?
besides Luffy he has a whole crew backing him and Law + the heart pirates should be sailing together a while now
Is hes just gonna barge in on them? The only non fodder that's by his side is Tashigi.
Trying to capture them is just impossible on his own, unless Luffy agrees on a 1 on 1 it is never going to happen. Luffy himself is powerful enough to take him on and right now he is gathering an army of followers
 
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I think we'll see him a lot sooner than most think...I actually hope he appears in the fight that's currently happening between Law and Luffy vs Doflamingo it would be pretty badass having a Warlord, a Pirate and a Marine take down the heavenly demon.

Oda has always been very consistent with Smoker's appearance I wouldn't be surprised to see him either in this arc or the next. It's not like he's afraid of fighting opponents tougher than him he's not that pathetic.
 

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I think the point of Smokers journey in the story isn't one of fighting and continuously growing stronger and stronger (though he still will. He's nowhere near his prime), but more one of a marine learning more and more about the corrupt organization he's serving and deciding whether or not he wants to continue with it.

Knowing Smoker and his ideals I don't see him serving the navy much longer. That would defeat the purpose of him learning more about it.
 

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He will definitely fight with Luffy and Luffy even refused to fight Smoker when he was in Tashigi's body.
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That bottom panel alone prove that their rivalry is still going. I really don't get why people still say he's weak, when he's on the same level as Luffy, probably slightly weaker but enough to push him to high-extreme diff. We'll get a smoker vs luffy fight the next time we see them together.
 

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He will definitely fight with Luffy and Luffy even refused to fight Smoker when he was in Tashigi's body.
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That bottom panel alone prove that their rivalry is still going. I really don't get why people still say he's weak, when he's on the same level as Luffy, probably slightly weaker but enough to push him to high-extreme diff. We'll get a smoker vs luffy fight the next time we see them together.
This guy gets it...every time the two have met they have a short scuffle Luffy has yet to beat Smoker...
 
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He will definitely fight with Luffy and Luffy even refused to fight Smoker when he was in Tashigi's body.
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That bottom panel alone prove that their rivalry is still going. I really don't get why people still say he's weak, when he's on the same level as Luffy, probably slightly weaker but enough to push him to high-extreme diff. We'll get a smoker vs luffy fight the next time we see them together.
Nope .
 

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I'll add your name to the list of people that I have to laugh at once we see Smoker kicking ass again. Why do you think Smoker isn't able to push Luffy to high/extreme-diff.? He was portrayed to be on the same level as him since pre-TS and even post-TS.
 
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I'll add your name to the list of people that I have to laugh at once we see Smoker kicking ass again. Why do you think Smoker isn't able to push Luffy to high/extreme-diff.? He was portrayed to be on the same level as him since pre-TS and even post-TS.
Because it doesn't make any sense. If that were the case, than how far would Vergo push Luffy?
 

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Because it doesn't make any sense. If that were the case, than how far would Vergo push Luffy?
Smoker wanted to retrieve Law's heart. He still managed to inflict damage to Vergo, an experienced CoA user. Luffy can push him high-diff., possibly extreme-diff. but I'm sure after the fight with Doffy I might say Luffy can beat him idk. As of right now, Luffy can push Vergo to high or possibly extreme-diff. What doesn't make sense?
 

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I honestly have no idea about what Oda plans with Smoker, but judging by his performance in Punk Hazard, i don't understand people who rate him far higher than he is supposed to be. I myself tried to give him a lot of benefit of doubts, but at this point, i doubt he is even stronger than Sanji to be honest
 

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I honestly have no idea about what Oda plans with Smoker, but judging by his performance in Punk Hazard, i don't understand people who rate him far higher than he is supposed to be. I myself tried to give him a lot of benefit of doubts, but at this point, i doubt he is even stronger than Sanji to be honest
The same way we know Zoro will surpass Mihawk, same way we know Coby will become an admiral or how Luffy will become Pirate King because it makes sense story wise for Smoker to be nearly as strong as Luffy is. Smoker has been chasing Luffy since East Blue and across the Grandline Oda has been consistent with this. Please Smoker has shown more than Sanji feat wise the fact you believe he's weaker than the third strongest in the crew when he's in fact gunning for the strongest shows how much you underrate Smoker.
 

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The same way we know Zoro will surpass Mihawk, same way we know Coby will become an admiral or how Luffy will become Pirate King because it makes sense story wise for Smoker to be nearly as strong as Luffy is. Smoker has been chasing Luffy since East Blue and across the Grandline Oda has been consistent with this. Please Smoker has shown more than Sanji feat wise the fact you believe he's weaker than the third strongest in the crew when he's in fact gunning for the strongest shows how much you underrate Smoker.
Well the thing is Smoker has been introduced as Vergo's subordinate, so even in the marine, Vergo's position was supposed to be greater, something backed-up by Vergo's superiority in itself featwise, defeating Smoker with moderate difficulty and Smoker himself telling to Tashigi in advance that he may die in his confrontation with Vergo. Everything in Punk Hazard was going around the fact Vergo was above his level.

Same Vergo who Sanji contended to in a small skirmich similarly i'd say and that without prior knowledge on the opponent(unlike Smoker). Add into that the fact Sanji performed much better against Doflamingo than Smoker and i think the reason of my doubts in current Smoker's superiority over Sanji isn't far-fetched.

Not to mention someone stronger than Sanji like Zoro showing superiority over someone with a similar rank with Vergo or Luffy himself who is about to beat Vergo's boss. Maybe Smoker will come down much stronger later in the story, but currently i just think he isn't there yet. You say i'm underrating Smoker when in fact i'm just presenting reality
 

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Well the thing is Smoker has been introduced as Vergo's subordinate, so even in the marine, Vergo's position was supposed to be greater, something backed-up by Vergo's superiority in itself featwise, defeating Smoker with moderate difficulty and Smoker himself telling to Tashigi in advance that he may die in his confrontation with Vergo. Everything in Punk Hazard was going around the fact Vergo was above his level.
Vergo was above Smoker no doubt personally I think it was more of a high diff fight Sanji vs Vergo was mid diff but I think you're looking at ranks as to much of a gauge for strength. Vergo was above Smoker, Law and Sanji physically and funnily enough both Sanji and Smoker are physical fighters Vergo was also shown to be superior to Law in aspects as well Law was fortunate Vergo was overconfident that's all.

Same Vergo who Sanji contended to in a small skirmich similarly i'd say and that without prior knowledge on the opponent(unlike Smoker). Add into that the fact Sanji performed much better against Doflamingo than Smoker and i think the reason of my doubts in current Smoker's superiority over Sanji isn't far-fetched.
There's nothing to suggest Smoker had prior knowledge to Vergo's abilities there's no proof for you to back that up at all not to mention Smoker's objective wasn't to win and doing so but himself at an advantage from the get go. Vergo used Haki and his signature weapon to put down Smoker who wasn't fighting to win while Vergo easily overpowered Sanji without Haki and without his bamboo stick.

In regards to Doflamingo it isn't really a fair situation...Smoker who was without his main weapon and also was injured from the Haki hits he took from Vergo hits that cracked Sanji's bones not to mention Doflamingo was angry and serious against Smoker he wasn't playing around like he did with Sanji.

Not to mention someone stronger than Sanji like Zoro showing superiority over someone with a similar rank with Vergo or Luffy himself who is about to beat Vergo's boss. Maybe Smoker will come down much stronger later in the story, but currently i just think he isn't there yet. You say i'm underrating Smoker when in fact i'm just presenting reality
Again rank doesn't mean everything feats and portrayal suggest Vergo was far greater than current Pica who without his huge golem hasn't shown anything impressive. Vergo was beat by Law who is stronger than Zoro so portrayal wise wouldn't that prove Vergo's superiority by your logic? Also there's no proof Luffy is going to beat Doflamingo on his own so far Law has had to help him land a hit on Doflamingo.

Reality is Smoker is Luffy's rival not Zoro's not Sanji's but Luffy's story wise and character wise it makes more sense for Smoker to be on a similar level to Luffy otherwise what has Oda been building up for the last 10 years. So what it really comes down to is you either believe that Oda has been wasting the last 10 years building the rivalry between Smoker and Luffy and has thrown it away to the point Luffy can mid diff Smoker. Or you believe Smoker may not be as strong as Luffy but is on a similar level to push Luffy to a high/extreme diff fight and continuing the rivalry the two have with one another.

Story consistency and character development is where we differ I don't believe Oda would throw away something he has spent so long building and people's personal belief or opinions on characters isn't going to change my mind.
 
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