Sarada for First UCHIHA Hokage?

[chaos control]

I disagree with a few points

1. The Uchiha clan's reputation isn't really that tainted. After all, most people don't really know the truth about Itachi and the Uchiha rebellion. As far as most of the villagers know, the Uchiha clan was just brutally and heinously wiped out by a criminal (Itachi) for no good reason. Therefore the only Uchiha reputations that are tainted are Itachi's (for killing the clan), Sasuke's (for being an international criminal and even this has probably been long redeemed by now), Obito (for starting akautski and the war), and Madara (for attacking the village, fighting Hashirama, dominating the war, casting the infinite tsukuyomi, etc...) Therefore Sarada doesn't have to do any redeeming for her clan.

2. It really doesn't matter what race the hokage comes from. Besides, the Aburame is for some reason also considered a noble clan of Konoha. Yet, they haven't been Hokage either. Also normal people who aren't from known clans at all can become hokage. After all, there are no known Namikaze clans or Hatake clans. As far as we know, those names are just the last names of Minato and Kakashi's families. These facts prove that Konoha does not really care about what clan a hokage comes from (as they let two normal people who aren't from elite clans become hokage, while nobody from a few of the elite clans such as the Aburame, the Akimichi and the Uchiha have become hokage). Therefore, basing a choice of kage off of clan would be taking a step backwards into racism and racial favoritism.

3. To be fair, no Uchiha besides Madara is known to have really tried to become hokage. Obito wanted to become hokage, but he got injured at Kanabi bridge and then never came back to continue his goal. Hiruzen said that Itachi would make a good hokage, but that doesn't mean that Itachi actually wanted to become it or tried to become it. Sasuke's definition of hokage was more like taking over the world, which he gave up on after being defeated by Naruto.
As for Madara, he was simply out voted (which makes perfect sense considering that Hashirama was the one who made the peace treaty between the Uchiha and Senju originally and he was the one who built the village). That is not discrimination. That is just smart voting. As for every other Uchiha, no other Uchihas in the series have been reported to have tried to become hokage.

4. Sarada is no more an underdog than Bolt is. One Uchiha parent is enough to at least give Sarada a chance at awakening the sharingan and the power of the Uchiha. Plus, being fodder is not hereditary. Just look at Minato. We've never even heard of his parents and they have no hype whatsoever (as opposed to other parents such as Kakashi's dad). Yet Minato turned out to be a great shinobi. Hagoromo said it best. Just because a parent is at a certain level of skill, doesn't mean that the child will be the same. Also to be fair, Sakura is at least Tsunade level (which is low kage level at least). Therefore Sarada is not half fodder.

5. The Uzumaki bloodline, though being descendants of Kaguya, is not really that strong or elite. All they have is strong life force and a large abundance of chakara. That alone does nothing because just having durability and chakara doesn't come with inherent techniques (unlike the sharingan). All of the known strong Uzumakis were either jinchuurikis (and Ashura's transmigrant in one case) or had Madara's rinnegan (referring to Nagato). Karin is an Uzumaki without those benefits and she is not known to be so strong. Kushina and Mito even had Kurama and they still weren't really known to be that strong. The feared sealing jutsus of the Uzumaki aren't confirmed to be hereditary either. Therefore unless Bolt inherits some bijuu chakara or rikudou chakara from his father, then he won't really get much from his father's genetics. As for the hyuuga, they are renowned for their byakugan and gentle fist style. Without that, they are just normal shinobi. Bolt did not inherit byakugan in the first place. Therefore he gets nothing from his Hyuuga side either.

Summation: Bolt didn't really get much of anything from his genetics, so Sarada is no more an underdog than he is. In actuality there is probably more pressure on Bolt since he is the son of the 7th and the grandson of the 4th. People will probably expect him to live up to his ancestors' feats.

 

[Dantee]

If were dealing with Naruto here he might really consider it.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

There are two things in Konoha that don't fit the criteria of Hokage. Being a woman, and being a Uchiha. Last time Konoha had a woman Hokage, she let the entire village get nuked.[SUB] You must be registered for see images [/SUB]

The villaige got nuked because of a RINNEGAN user. Minato was hokage and someone was able to capture his wife(when secruity was at its hightest) and unleash the Kyuubi, when Hiruzen was Hokage a huge massacre happened. So no hokage is perfect and it was not Tsunade's fault the village got nuked.
OP: Sakura is not a single mother. Sarada calls Sasuke in an informal way which means she knows him. Anyway I don't see her being hokage.

 

[JustSomeRandomNinja]

I disagree with a few points

5. The Uzumaki bloodline, though being descendants of Kaguya, is not really that strong or elite. All they have is strong life force and a large abundance of chakara. That alone does nothing because just having durability and chakara doesn't come with inherent techniques (unlike the sharingan). All of the known strong Uzumakis were either jinchuurikis (and Ashura's transmigrant in one case) or had Madara's rinnegan (referring to Nagato). Karin is an Uzumaki without those benefits and she is not known to be so strong. Kushina and Mito even had Kurama and they still weren't really known to be that strong. The feared sealing jutsus of the Uzumaki aren't confirmed to be hereditary either. Therefore unless Bolt inherits some bijuu chakara or rikudou chakara from his father, then he won't really get much from his father's genetics. As for the hyuuga, they are renowned for their byakugan and gentle fist style. Without that, they are just normal shinobi. Bolt did not inherit byakugan in the first place. Therefore he gets nothing from his Hyuuga side either.

Summation: Bolt didn't really get much of anything from his genetics, so Sarada is no more an underdog than he is. In actuality there is probably more pressure on Bolt since he is the son of the 7th and the grandson of the 4th. People will probably expect him to live up to his ancestors' feats.

I disagree with this point.

The sharingan has been stated that it is NOT inherent in all Uchiha. Some had it. Some didn't. We also don't know enough about the Uzumaki to properly determine how strong they were. We do know that were powerful enough to cause enough fear in other villages of their seals AND chakra that they were wipe out. As far as bolt not having the byukugan, it could be latent ability as we won't know till part 3. He has just as much a chance to awaken it as Salad does the sharingan. We can also assume Bolt has chakra reserves similar to Naruto, as Naruto chakra was similar to Kushina's.

Chances are actually higher for Bolt to be a powerhouse due to genetics more so than Salad. Plus he's gonna be a MC in the new series, so Kishi's not gonna nerf him.

 

[JustSomeRandomNinja]

Forgot to mention

Saying "without the byukugan and gentle fist the Hyuga are normal ninjas" is just like saying with out the Sharingan the Uchiha's aren't that special.

 

[NukaCola]

Tobirama and Danzo would solo her from beyond the grave.

 

[chaos control]

I disagree with this point.

The sharingan has been stated that it is NOT inherent in all Uchiha. Some had it. Some didn't. We also don't know enough about the Uzumaki to properly determine how strong they were. We do know that were powerful enough to cause enough fear in other villages of their seals AND chakra that they were wipe out. As far as bolt not having the byukugan, it could be latent ability as we won't know till part 3. He has just as much a chance to awaken it as Salad does the sharingan. We can also assume Bolt has chakra reserves similar to Naruto, as Naruto chakra was similar to Kushina's.

Chances are actually higher for Bolt to be a powerhouse due to genetics more so than Salad. Plus he's gonna be a MC in the new series, so Kishi's not gonna nerf him.

You must have missed the part where I said Sarada had at least a chance of awakening Sharingan. I did not say it was guaranteed. Those seals that made the Uzumaki so feared are not known to be hereditary. Therefore that can not be used in favor of Bolt. Also, I would not say that Bolt has as much chance of awakening byakugan as Sarada does sharingan. After all, there are no known cases of awakening byuakugan. In all known cases, the user was born with it. As for the chakara reserves, as I said before : having stamina and chakara alone does not really do anything. If you have all the chakara in the world, but no techniques, then you are still screwed in a battle. This is unlike the sharingan which immediately grants you at least increased perception. Plus Bolt may not have as much chakara and Stamina as Naruto and Kushina. Here is why I say this:

We have seen thus far an example of vitality decreasing down the lineage. Kushina survived Kurama's extraction after giving birth and was still able to walk, talk and even use chakara chains. Naruto survived his extraction, but he immediately went unconscious after extraction unlike Kushina. This says that Kushina's vitality >>>>>> Naruto's. If this becomes a pattern that continues down the line, then Bolt doesn't really have many good prospects as far as genetics goes.

Forgot to mention

Saying "without the byukugan and gentle fist the Hyuga are normal ninjas" is just like saying with out the Sharingan the Uchiha's aren't that special.

This part is not really true and here is why: Throughout the series, Hyuugas have only (emphasis on the word only) been seen using gentle fist techniques. Name a time when you have seen a Hyuuga use something like an elemental technique (air palm doesn't count because that is still gentle fist).

The Uchiha on the other hand (even without sharingan) are known to specialize in fire techniques such as great fireball jutsu or that flame barrier technique that Obito used. They are also known to have special weapons like Madara's fan and giant shuriken. The Uchiha clan has shown some versatility.

The hyuuga has shown none. This is not to say that they can't be versatile. They just haven't shown it. The byakugan thus far has shown to be a Hyuuga's whole arsenal. Neji even had to get medical attention when his eyes started acting up while Madara was able to fight with no eyes!

As you can see, without byakugan, Bolt gets nothing from his mom's side. He can still be strong. It just won't be due to genetics.

 

[JustSomeRandomNinja]

You must have missed the part where I said Sarada had at least a chance of awakening Sharingan. I did not say it was guaranteed. Those seals that made the Uzumaki so feared are not known to be hereditary. Therefore that can not be used in favor of Bolt. Also, I would not say that Bolt has as much chance of awakening byakugan as Sarada does sharingan. After all, there are no known cases of awakening byuakugan. In all known cases, the user was born with it. As for the chakara reserves, as I said before : having stamina and chakara alone does not really do anything. If you have all the chakara in the world, but no techniques, then you are still screwed in a battle. This is unlike the sharingan which immediately grants you at least increased perception. Plus Bolt may not have as much chakara and Stamina as Naruto and Kushina. Here is why I say this:

We have seen thus far an example of vitality decreasing down the lineage. Kushina survived Kurama's extraction after giving birth and was still able to walk, talk and even use chakara chains. Naruto survived his extraction, but he immediately went unconscious after extraction unlike Kushina. This says that Kushina's vitality >>>>>> Naruto's. If this becomes a pattern that continues down the line, then Bolt doesn't really have many good prospects as far as genetics goes.



This part is not really true and here is why: Throughout the series, Hyuugas have only (emphasis on the word only) been seen using gentle fist techniques. Name a time when you have seen a Hyuuga use something like an elemental technique (air palm doesn't count because that is still gentle fist).

The Uchiha on the other hand (even without sharingan) are known to specialize in fire techniques such as great fireball jutsu or that flame barrier technique that Obito used. They are also known to have special weapons like Madara's fan and giant shuriken. The Uchiha clan has shown some versatility.

The hyuuga has shown none. This is not to say that they can't be versatile. They just haven't shown it. The byakugan thus far has shown to be a Hyuuga's whole arsenal. Neji even had to get medical attention when his eyes started acting up while Madara was able to fight with no eyes!

As you can see, without byakugan, Bolt gets nothing from his mom's side. He can still be strong. It just won't be due to genetics.

Problem is the sharingan is only awakened from trauma, or lost love. So unless some close to salad dies or is in very deep trouble she may not awaken the sharingan.

I don't believe the whole "Kushina survived the extraction because she had more or better chakra" argument. When Kurama was extracted from Naruto, he was in perfect sync with him. When Kurama was extracted from Kushina, he was a separate entity. Kushina's own personal chakra saved her, while Naruto's and Kurama's chakra were one. Hence why he didn't last as long. At least that's my theory. It had nothing to do with Naruto's chakra being of less quality than Kushina's, but of his 'relationship' with kurama compared to Kushina IMO.

Bolt's genetics consist of Uzumaki blood/Naruto now has Rikudo chakra/Hamura chakra from BOTH his mom and dad(If the spoliers of the last are true)/same quailty of chakra as kushina/ hyuga blood. His gene's aren't as bad as you make it sound. But if you're going to go that route, then there's no guarantee Salad inherited things like pefect chakra control and intellect from her mom, or powerful chakra from her dad. In fact, since she's only half uchiha, her chances(like your claim of Bolt being hyuga) aren't really that great of awaken the doujutsu.

When you say the Hyuga's are only reliant on the gentle fist, doesn't mean they can't learn other jutsu's. Heck Hinata's elements are Fire and Lightning, so it's not like she can't learn a fire base jutsu or a lightning base one. I don't know what Neji's were. The only reason I think you don't see them do it is, why should they? The byukugan with gentle fist style gives the Hyuga an almost absolute defense(kaiten), the ability to render other shinobi nearly powerless(closeing chakra points), the ability to drain chakra(lion fist), near 360 vision, and one hit kills(gentle fist to the heart). In fact, when compared to the Uchiha, they'd be virtually the same without the sharingan IE they can learn different jutsu'd if needed.

And knowing the best techniques in the world, doesn't mean a thing if you have neither the chakra nor stamina to pull it off. They go hand-in-hand.

 

[Kurama999]

Forgotten what Naruto told Neji during the Chuunin exam.

 

[Sageflash]

Salad has no merit, she just thirsting after Lawd Bolt's D. That BS does not make for a good Hokage. Lawd Konohamaru will take the position once Lawd Naruto decides to step down eventually, to which Lawd Bolt will follow.

If any Uchiha will be Hokage, it will be Bolt and Salad's kid if he decides to grace her with his love and affection, of course.

 

[Neji Hyūga2]

I see where the idea is coming from but I really hope they just pick a new Kage outside that group of children. It's going to be kinda lame seeing the same group of friends, children of the friends and so forth becoming Kage.

It would be great of some random person becomes Kage next. However, I really do believe Konahamaru will be the next Kage. He's already Jounin and well he was following Naruto's footsteps through the series.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Both sakura and sasuke are genius's salada should be fine.

 

[chaos control]

Problem is the sharingan is only awakened from trauma, or lost love. So unless some close to salad dies or is in very deep trouble she may not awaken the sharingan.

Sarada may very well come across said trouble. She is in the academy to become a shinobi after all. It doesn't even necessarily have to be a death. Obito awakened Sharingan just after seeing Kakashi's eye get stabbed.

I don't believe the whole "Kushina survived the extraction because she had more or better chakra" argument. When Kurama was extracted from Naruto, he was in perfect sync with him. When Kurama was extracted from Kushina, he was a separate entity. Kushina's own personal chakra saved her, while Naruto's and Kurama's chakra were one. Hence why he didn't last as long. At least that's my theory. It had nothing to do with Naruto's chakra being of less quality than Kushina's, but of his 'relationship' with kurama compared to Kushina IMO.

This is actually a good and creative theory. However, remember that if Naruto and Kurama's chakaras were totally one, then Madara would have extracted all of Naruto's chakara. If a shinobi loses all of their chakara they die. Therefore there is a minor flaw in that theory. Plus, as you yourself said, it is a theory (which means that it is not confirmed.) Furthermore, you yourself used the logic that Sarada is only half Uchiha which is why she might not get sharingan. The same can be said for Naruto who legitimately may not have gotten as strong vitality as Kushina. Bolt is even less Uzumaki than Naruto, so his chances are even worse. You can't assume that Bolt's vitality is the same as Kushina's when an actual manga example has proven otherwise and when your statement is based only on theory. Plus, the manga has a pattern of showing deterioration down genetic lines.

Examples:
Kaguya had rinne sharingan while Hagoromo got rinnegan.
Hagoromo had rinnegan, while Indra got the sharingan which Hagoromo himself stated to be "a weaker version of my rinnegan".
There is the whole Naruto Kushina issue that you and I are currently talking about.
Hashirama's kids have never even been heard of, and Tsunade is nowhere near Hashirama (although I know you may attribute this to Hashirama being Ashura's transmigrant).

etc...

Bolt's genetics consist of Uzumaki blood/Naruto now has Rikudo chakra/Hamura chakra from BOTH his mom and dad(If the spoliers of the last are true)/same quailty of chakra as kushina/ hyuga blood. His gene's aren't as bad as you make it sound. But if you're going to go that route, then there's no guarantee Salad inherited things like pefect chakra control and intellect from her mom, or powerful chakra from her dad. In fact, since she's only half uchiha, her chances(like your claim of Bolt being hyuga) aren't really that great of awaken the doujutsu.

I still have to disagree here. First of all, did the spoilers say that Hinata was Hamura's transmigrant or something like that? If not then I don't see how Bolt would have Hamura's chakara. The Hyuuga may be descendants of Hamura, but only transmigrants get the special chakara of the actual person. If all Hyuugas got Hamura's chakara, then all Uchihas and Senju's and Uzumakis would get Hagoromo's chakara. By that logic, Tsunade (who is both Senju and Uzumaki (Hashirama + Mito)) should be overflowing with power.Clearly she is not (although she is kage level). Also, Sarada's chances of awakening sharingan aren't as bad as Bolt's with byakugan. Like I said before, something that is known to be an awakened thing is more likely to be awakened than something where in every known case it is "you are either born with it or you don't have it".

Think about it like this: Which is more likely to happen?

A half saiyan going super saiyan, or a Namekian that was born blue turning green? Naturally, it would be the first option. After all, super saiyan is something that one achieves while Namekians (like Piccolo) are just born the color that they are.

The same concept applies here.

It would be one thing if we had precedent with someone awakening byakugan as opposed to just having it from birth. We do not have that however.

Meanwhile, we have plenty of precedent with Uchihas awakening sharingan, and technically no known Uchihas are 100% Uchiha since Indra would have had no other female Uchiha- like people (I say Uchiha-like people because Indra's surname was Ootsutsuki) to marry and have kids with. That means Sasuke is technically not 100% either. Plus, we technically have no proof that Mikoto (Sasuke's mom) was an Uchiha by blood (black hair doesn't guarantee it). Therefore, Sarada pretty much has just as much chance as any other Uchiha at awakening sharingan.

Also, you seem to be assuming that rikudou or transmigrant chakara passes down to offspring. If that happens to be the case, then that means that Sarada can also get rikudou chakara from Sasuke (as he has it too).



When you say the Hyuga's are only reliant on the gentle fist, doesn't mean they can't learn other jutsu's. Heck Hinata's elements are Fire and Lightning, so it's not like she can't learn a fire base jutsu or a lightning base one. I don't know what Neji's were. The only reason I think you don't see them do it is, why should they? The byukugan with gentle fist style gives the Hyuga an almost absolute defense(kaiten), the ability to render other shinobi nearly powerless(closeing chakra points), the ability to drain chakra(lion fist), near 360 vision, and one hit kills(gentle fist to the heart). In fact, when compared to the Uchiha, they'd be virtually the same without the sharingan IE they can learn different jutsu'd if needed.

I never said that they couldn't learn other jutsus. However, remember that we are talking about genetics here. You are saying that Bolt would in fact get something from his mom's side. Learning other techniques other than gentle fist can be done by any shinobi even if they are not from a special clan with a kekkei genkai (ie. Kakashi, Minato, Hiruzen,etc...). The fact that anybody can learn other techniques invalidates the claim that Bolt would get anything from his mother's genetics without the byakugan. Yes, he can still learn techniques, but Sarada can do that too. Heck, Lee's son can do that. That is why you can't really say that Bolt has a genetic advantage on his mom's side. No byakugan = no genetic advantage (which means that he has it no better than Sarada).

And knowing the best techniques in the world, doesn't mean a thing if you have neither the chakra nor stamina to pull it off. They go hand-in-hand.

That is true, but having the chakara and stamina still doesn't guarantee that Bolt will learn the techniques. Therefore, Bolt will still have to work just as hard as Sarada.

My replies are in bold.

 

[JustSomeRandomNinja]

My replies are in bold.

Fair enough points.

As far as the whole Kurama/Naruto Kushina idea, I thought that Madara did infact take at least 99% of Naruto's Chakra which also contributed to him dying quicker cuz Naruto chakra and Kyubi's chakra were one.

The reason I said Bolt got some of hamura's chakra was based on spoilers of the movie which said Hamura gave Hinata his chakra and she gave it to Naruto. I agree if Bolt got any of Naruto chakra prowess it probably wouldn't be as strong, but it would still make him formidable. And as u said, if that is possible, Salad could have inherited sage chakra from Sasuke. But it's all speculation until the movie and part 3 are out.

I didn't think anyone else could learn Gentle fist aside the Hyuga because you needed Byakugan vision to see inside the target. Which is what would have made it hard for other ninja to learn techniques. If I gave the impression that I thought bolt would without a doubt be strong because of parents, then that was my fault. As you said there is a chance both he and salad can gain incredible skills and abilities from there parents, and also a chance that they not get anything. I do agree that neither salad nor bolt have a real clear advantage over each other without clear facts in the manga despite their patronage.

 

[lndra]

Salada Hokage? Yeah, let's make the girl who stalks her classmates a Hokage candidate.

If anything she'll be a high Jonin level shinobi with tactical prowess like her father, but like Bolt, they'll never surpass their parents (only Sakura cause she is a fodder).

 

[lndra]

Sasuke is a genius. Salada got screwed because of Sakura.

Fixed for you.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

Mikasa Hagoromo, another Sasuke fangirl who Faps over sasuke.

Stop dreaming about Sasuke.you will not get him in real life Lol

 

[FemmeFatale]

Fixed for you.

Sasuke admitted inferiority in part 1

 

[shelke]

No wonder they revolted. Uchiha had every right to the Hokage position, given that they founded the clan with the Senju. I don't see why not. Naruto promised a change in the era. This is the time to do it.

 

[Shruikan]

Salada is half fodder.No chance in hell of her being Hokage