Sasuke's Rinnegan Genjutsu has no defense except Rinnegan (what's Naruto's answer?)

[bencoby]

Where did you come up with Naruto needing Sasukes protection from IT. He could have gone out of susano without being affected.

Naruto can easily see through Sasukes genjutsu so what's the point.

Naruto has nine other bijus to break him out of it, again so what are you talking about. This thread was a fail thread which should have died since page 1.

 

[YellowFang]

Naruto would punch him in a wall even in the genjutsu, so nothing to fear...

 

[Byron123]

Read the thread or GTFO.

Also, it's also a manga fact that Yagura (despite being a perfect Jin) was placed under genjutsu for a long ass time.

I think that Yagura's case is different. What I mean is that Obito did not cast a genjutsu to Yagura alone but to 3 tails as well. When Rin died, I assume that afterwards Obito extracted 3 tails in some way and then he cast the genjutsu. Afterwards, he genjutsued Yagura and then he put inside of him an already genjutsued 3 tails. In that sense, he did in 2 parts.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Once again, prove the bold or stop perpetuating this fallacy. Underline is laughable. I have every odd on my side, you have 0 odds on your side. Until you can prove that Sasuke can extract/absorb chakra without disrupting an opponents chakra, the burden proof is on you. My theory isn't even a theory, your theory is baseless conjecture which holds no grounds, as shown in bolded. Tailed beats can break out of it had they not been in genjutsu, seeing how a much weaker Kurama broke out of a much larger CT. Thus he was in it due to genjutsu, and isn't even debatable. And wot? Since when did anyone say Rinnegan genjutsu is eternal? At this point we can assume half a day is its limit, nothing more nothing less. Seeing how Kakashi didn't break her out despite many, many hours having passed, renders my point even more proven if anything. Not to mention that this is only by your standard. By any rational standard, you'd realise that Sasuke's genjutsu only lasted 5 seconds in the first place, since not every genjutsu have to last 10 hours. Smh.

Sasuke can absorb chakra without breaking the Bijuus from the genjutsu the same way Orochimaru absorbed his chakra from Kabuto without breaking him out of Izanami. You have to infuse your chakra with the victims chakra to disrupt the chakra

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. Kurama wasn't near the core, he was more outside of CT then had rocks come on top when Nagato did it while Kurama is the core so have layers of rocks on top of him and it was completely sealed. Nagato was using his CT on Kurama's lower form then he powered up to 8 tails mode so no it's not the same thing. Try looking at the second scan in OP, Kurama's eyes are normal before it closes up on Sasuke's Rinnegan so he was already out of it before that so Sasuke was freeing the Bijuus from CT only for the looks of it.

So the Bijuu being constantly squashed by rocks is safely sealed? Tell me more about where you got this from.

That's not a theory, it's a fact. Chakra disruption is chakra disruption. Where it happens and from whom is irrelevant since the chakra is being disrupted. Unless of course, you can prove otherwise instead of speaking from your ass.



No eyes Madara can use Susano. Your point?

It doesn't constantly squash them, it seals them inside, they wouldn't feel the shockwaves from Naruto and Sasuke's Attack because of that and as for the fall they are really durable to take tbb from each other and not be seriously harm when it's landscape changing tbbs. You disrupt someone else's chakra flow by putting your chakra into another and do it in a high enough amount the it disrupts it. Orochimaru absorbed his chakra from Kabuto and didn't break him out of Izanami nor was that his intention.

Alive Madara did that but Edo Madara didn't, alive Madara is stronger than Edo Madara and he wasn't blind in the sense that his eye lost their power, both eyes were actually close to him, Zetsu popped up after Madara escapes the Bijuus and gave him a Rinnegan and Obito have the other a short distance away. Obito tapped into his other eye just for being near it, he was able to see through it and when he saw Rin died he leveled up both his eyes up to 3 Tomoes and gained MS.

Once again, this is all irrelevant to me. Prove tha Sasuke can absorb chakra without disturbing the chakra or stop arguing this as a whole. It's rather clear that inputting or outputting chakra will release you from genjutsu, ie Kai and partner method. Until you bring proof, your point doesn't stand, as it should automatically disrupt the chakra no matter what, rather than your fallacious claim that it's a part of the genjutsu, which is completely unsupported.

Orochimaru doing it with Kabuto is good proof there and it was never said taking chakra would work the same way since to disrupt the genjutsu you need a stronger flow but taking chakra wouldn't increase the chakra flow but lower it

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. The genjutsu most likely wore off after the Bijuus were sealed.

no since killer bee was also captured. but thats infinite tsukuyomi casted by madara. but his point is that kurama cant save naruto from all genjutsus

Bee wasn't a perfect Jinchuuriki, he only lived because Bee cut him out via tentacle before he was taken so Bee didn't feel the shock of having the 8 tails ripped from him. That's why the 8 tails said he'll go back to Bee.

 

[FleeOnSight]

Im sorry but I stopped reading after the first sentence. I think some people are getting solo glance mixed up with IT. No where is it stated that they are on par with each other. IT can be cancelled with a rinnegan that doesn't mean solo glance requires the same thing.

 

[Mike D Roberts]

Im sorry but I stopped reading after the first sentence. I think some people are getting solo glance mixed up with IT. No where is it stated that they are on par with each other. IT can be cancelled with a rinnegan that doesn't mean solo glance requires the same thing.

After freeing Kurama, Sasuke has to use his Rinegan to undo the Genjutsu.

The IT is a Rinegan Genjutsu reflected on the moon.

 

[FleeOnSight]

After freeing Kurama, Sasuke has to use his Rinegan to undo the Genjutsu.

The IT is a Rinegan Genjutsu reflected on the moon.

Um who else was gonna do it? Naruto was lying there with one arm kakashi can't walk on his own and Sakura was healing them both. Of course he can release him..he's the one that put him in it.

All I'm saying is people are comparing IT and solo glance. Where is it stated that the rinnegan can only break solo glance? Last time I checked Sakura just woke up like she took a nap. No rinnegan no where near her.

 

[KidGamer65]

Once again, this is all irrelevant to me. Prove tha Sasuke can absorb chakra without disturbing the chakra or stop arguing this as a whole. It's rather clear that inputting or outputting chakra will release you from genjutsu, ie Kai and partner method. Until you bring proof, your point doesn't stand, as it should automatically disrupt the chakra no matter what, rather than your fallacious claim that it's a part of the genjutsu, which is completely unsupported.

That is obviously not how Genjutsu work. Removing and inserting chakra isn't equivalent to disrupting that flow, thus Genjutsu isn't broken by this. Lol. You say its clear but there is clearly zero evidence for your claim, nor does it even make sense.

Its pretty sad that OP is trying to establish that Sasuke can beat Naruto, even though the manga has shown that he can't. Pretty sad indeed.

First consider the traumas that the Bijuu experienced. They had Sasuke forcibly taking chakra from them. They were situated in the epicenter of a continental level explosion. On top of that, they then fell from one mile up in the air. Despite all that, they were still under Sasuke's Rinnegan genjutsu.

None of this stuff is pain.

-Taking Chakra=/=Pain.
-They weren't harmed by the blast as their Chibaku Tensei were still intact.
-Their CT orbs took the brunt of that fall for them.

Sasuke's statement exclusively refers to Infinite Tsukuyomi, and even then he wasn't completely on the mark. Naruto and Sasuke had their last fight, dumb shit like Genjutsu wasn't a factor, so stop trying to make it one. You and anyone else who thinks Sasuke's Genjutsu is some kind of OP Haxx technique that no one can break needs to stop posting now.

 

[Raykyryn]

Neither bijues nor Sakura belongs to the category of top tier genjutsu users so sasukes genjutsu feats aren't even impressive.

 

[saw2097]

Kurama was shown to be able to resist Sasuke's genjutsu a bit, that right there says that its not on IT level.

Naruto will simply have Kurama break it if Sasuke tried.

 

[90sKids98]

This is useless! IT is the most superior Sharingan/Rinnegan genjutsu, of course it wouldn't have been able to be broken so easily. Plus they were wrapped in weird crap tied to the roots of tne Mokuton, so...

Here is a simple flaw in your theory. You say no one could have broke the Bijuus out of the Genjutsu except Sasuke. Wrong. Anyone could have helped. Guess what the problem was? They were sealed in CHIBAKU TENSEI. You cant disrupt someones chakra when they're deep inside rubble. Therefore Sasuke was only able to release them under the circumstances he put them in.

 

[Apêx1]

That is obviously not how Genjutsu work. Removing and inserting chakra isn't equivalent to disrupting that flow, thus Genjutsu isn't broken by this. Lol. You say its clear but there is clearly zero evidence for your claim, nor does it even make sense.

Its pretty sad that OP is trying to establish that Sasuke can beat Naruto, even though the manga has shown that he can't. Pretty sad indeed.

What? Partner method forces chakra into the user thus allowing them to leave the genjutsu since the chakra is disrupted. Genjutsu Kai exerts chakra from the body, similarly allowing the chakra flow to be disrupted. If Sasuke is extracting chakra from the Bijuu, then their chakra flow should also be affected. Similarly to Danzo's seal, Sasuke escaped it by expelling a large amount of chakra ie Susano, and thus broke it. Same would apply here, you exert a large chakra amount (or lose it in this case) and thus should also be freed from control, however, that's not the case. Similar to Tsukiyomi, it is unbreakable by elitist Uchiha (or in this case, a Rinnegan user), seemingly, this is the same here, not to mention it also carries KA traits which allow it to work without eye contact. I believe Jiraiya made this clear here:

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In other words, to stop your chakra flow, you must use more power (chakra) to disrupt the flow of the chakra, thus cancelling the genjutsu. However, it was shown that Sasuke absorbing the massive amount of power (or chakra) didn't have the Bijuu escape genjutsu, thus its immune to Genjutsu Kai.

It's a suggestion, conjecture, and it makes some sense imo. Hypothetically, both parties could've won the having done things differently. However, neither did, though this remains one of the things that could've been used yet wasn't, similarly to Naruto's chakra arms, assuming they received a massive boost from SM/Rikudo chakra and other new Bijuus (obvious).

 

[Samurai Dcrews]

Using chakra does not equal disruption. The purpose of having a partner disrupt your flow for you is to have an external chakra source displace your own. Because that external source is not being controlled by the genjutsu user, it acts kind of like a jumper cable and kickstarts the target.

Someone under genjutsu has their chakra being controlled by the user, even if it is physically moved (ie drained) it is still being controlled by the user, this is the mechanism by which genjutsu works. If suddenly a chakra you can't control is being pumped into the target displacing the chakra you can control, it severs your connection and snaps the target out of the illusion.

You Sasuke fanboys are still wanking too hard. The manga has ended, stop trying to change #mangafacts

Edit- Also, Sasuke didn't break Danzo's seal, he had his ass saved my Obito. #mangafacts

 

[AntonChigurh]

OP fishing for straws lol

 

[UzumakiWade]

Nope, Perfect Jin works just fine, the only reason Naruto couldn't beat Mugen Tsukoyomi is because it was a genjutsu that had juubi power (juubi > 9 bijuu) and it's way stronger a genjutsu than any of Sasuke's fodder rinnegan genjutsu. Plus, im pretty sure all the bijuu were looking at sasuke, either that or its plothole, eye genjutsu requires eye contact, no opinionated theories can change that.

 

[Sharingan King]

how did you determine the genjutsu he used on the bijuus and sakura were different?

and kurama was talking to naruto in 3 seconds not 5.. the chibaku tense was restricting him

Even a fool could tell they were different based on the effects. Sakura was knocked out for about 10 hrs while the bijuu were simply paralysed.

The bijuu were still under genjutsu. Talking doesn't mean you broke out of the genjustu. Itachi and Sasuke talked while under Kabuto's sound genjutsu.

Naruto could still talk while under Itachi's genjutsu.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Even a fool could tell they were different based on the effects. Sakura was knocked out for about 10 hrs while the bijuu were simply paralysed.

The bijuu were still under genjutsu. Talking doesn't mean you broke out of the genjustu. Itachi and Sasuke talked while under Kabuto's sound genjutsu.

Naruto could still talk while under Itachi's genjutsu.

Kabuto's sound Genjutsu only paralyzed them, Visual genjutsus such as the one Naruto was under from Itachi all happened in his head, he wasn't talking in the real world. Also if you pay attention then you'll see that Kurama's eyes were normal before it closes up on Sasuke Rinnegan so he was already out of it. Sasuke only freed the other Bijuus from CT

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After freeing Kurama, Sasuke has to use his Rinegan to undo the Genjutsu.

The IT is a Rinegan Genjutsu reflected on the moon.

Reread, Kurama was already out of the genjutsu when Sasuke undid CT, look at his eyes on top page before it closes up on Sasuke Rinnegan

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. When Bijuu's are under genjutsu Their eyes have the Sharingan's Tomoes or in Sasuke case they have his Rinnegan in their eyes yet Kurama didn't have it so the Genjutsus probably only lasted until they were fully sealed in CT and that's all.

O.T. Read the manga, Sasuke was making a guess about IT and he was wrong. Hagoromo stated IT ends with Rinnegan and all Bijuu's chakra which is why it shows a Naruto and Sasuke making a seal togther to break it. Sasuke never even said a Rinnegan can break another Rinnegan genjutsu, he said "probably"

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and Hagoromo knows more about it that Sasuke and he explains it clearly

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[frozen5]

Even a fool could tell they were different based on the effects. Sakura was knocked out for about 10 hrs while the bijuu were simply paralysed.

The bijuu were still under genjutsu. Talking doesn't mean you broke out of the genjustu. Itachi and Sasuke talked while under Kabuto's sound genjutsu.

Naruto could still talk while under Itachi's genjutsu.

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[VongolaX]

Please read the OP.

If you want me to summarize, in short: Sasuke's statement that Rinnegan genjutsu can only be negated a Rinnegan is confirmed by manga evidences.

I read the summary, I'm correcting the statement.

Sasuke's genjustu was never mentioned to have the same functions as infinite tsukyomi.

On top of that, Sasuke said he guessed which is a general assumption because it worked for him.

That assumption was wrong as black zetsu was uneffected by the Infinte tsukyomi

Infinte tsukyomi is a genjustu caster by the sharingan btw

 

[Sharingan King]

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1) Naruto wasn't the caster of the genjutsu so his words are irrelevant.

2) Naruto didn't say it was the same genjutsu.

3) The effects of the genjutsus were completely different which heavily implies that they were different.

4) Sasuke's rinnegan appeared in the eyes of the bijuu while it didn't appear in Sakura's eyes.

5) I don't think that was a Viz scan.

Kabuto's sound Genjutsu only paralyzed them, Visual genjutsus such as the one Naruto was under from Itachi all happened in his head, he wasn't talking in the real world. Also if you pay attention then you'll see that Kurama's eyes were normal before it closes up on Sasuke Rinnegan so he was already out of it. Sasuke only freed the other Bijuus from CT

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Reread, Kurama was already out of the genjutsu when Sasuke undid CT, look at his eyes on top page before it closes up on Sasuke Rinnegan

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. When Bijuu's are under genjutsu Their eyes have the Sharingan's Tomoes or in Sasuke case they have his Rinnegan in their eyes yet Kurama didn't have it so the Genjutsus probably only lasted until they were fully sealed in CT and that's all.

O.T. Read the manga, Sasuke was making a guess about IT and he was wrong. Hagoromo stated IT ends with Rinnegan and all Bijuu's chakra which is why it shows a Naruto and Sasuke making a seal togther to break it. Sasuke never even said a Rinnegan can break another Rinnegan genjutsu, he said "probably"

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and Hagoromo knows more about it that Sasuke and he explains it clearly

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Visual genjustu can take many forms. Danzo was under Sasuke's genjutsu but was still able to talk and move about properly. Kakashi also placed Sakura under genjutsu and she could still talk just fine. KA is another type of genjutsu where the victim can talk and even move. The effect of the genjutsu depends on the intent of the caster and the type of genjutsu he uses.

There are many types of genjutsu; each with different success rates and effects.

Talking=/=Broke out of genjutsu.

You don't know when Sasuke released them from genjutsu. It most likely happenned when he ran out of chakra and went unconcious beside Naruto.

The only thing we know is that by the time Sasuke released CT they were out of genjutsu. What if I told you that Sasuke released the genjutsu way before the scan where he released CT? You just don't know.

OT: There are many genjutsus for which the chakra disruption method fails to work. KA, for example, has a lasting effect on the victim and isn't dispelled by disruption of chakra. IT was effective against Bee as well which further proves the point.

Other examples include Izanami which can only be broken by accepting your true self. The fact that Yagura was controlled by genjutsu while being a perfect jin futher substantiates the arguments being made.