Kishi fell into the classic power-scale trap

[The Necromancer]

That last sentence.If that was the case then the Alliance wouldn't have been able to stop Ten Tails Bijuudama at all,much less multiple times.Also Obito would of won,Gai,Kakashi,Minato,Lee,and Obito's teamwork wouldn't have worked on Madara nor would have Naruto and Sasuke's on Madara or Team 7 on Kaguya and BZ.

10,000+ people and two demi-god users and an immortal man with infinite chakra were required to (not even) stop a Juubidama. Same with Obito.

In case you forgot, Madara was still standing and toying with Gai who needed to activate his own suicidal nuke.

And 2 literal demi gods with the aid of the most powerful abilities in the world powered by a literal god were required to stop Kaguya.

You list scenarios and state that the team with lesser abilities won against those with greater, but that's not even true. U_U
Gods beat gods. Period.

The point is that Chouji at this point could fight the Kyuubi pretty decently, and that is the best example of garbage power scaling.

 

[TrollKing]

Dragonball style?? Didn't kishi already gave naruto all natural energy on earth??? aka spirit bomb

 

[Vapid]

The strategic fights in part 1 were far superior to the DBZ, Saiyan-esque fights of Shippuden.

It's usually long-time DBZ fans and OPtards who say that nothing is wrong with the new power-scaling of the series, most who never actually read or watched part 1 either.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

I actually almost laughed because the Kaguya fight literally ended up as Kaguya busting out the biggest nuke we've ever seen in the manga, and then she lost because of strategy.

The war arc has been filled with strategy, from the way they figured out how to hurt Obito(both Kamui and Juubi Jinchuriki), to the Kages' attempt at sealing Madara, to Hashirama beating Madara through a clone strategy, to the way Naruto defeated the Third Raikage, to the defeat of Kaguya, to the way they combated the Juubi. You people just have some serious selective memory. The manga has both mountain busters, and strategy. You guys are ignoring the presence of the latter just so you can satisfy your need to have something to complain about.

Nicely said.Over the past week i read the whole War and it was filled with strategy from the very begining.Every battle had it,and even the way in which the Alliance confronted the Akatsuki was fully based off of plans.There are multiple pages with Shikaku going over how they would fight.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

I actually almost laughed because the Kaguya fight literally ended up as Kaguya busting out the biggest nuke we've ever seen in the manga, and then she lost because of strategy.

The war arc has been filled with strategy, from the way they figured out how to hurt Obito(both Kamui and Juubi Jinchuriki), to the Kages' attempt at sealing Madara, to Hashirama beating Madara through a clone strategy, to the way Naruto defeated the Third Raikage, to the defeat of Kaguya, to the way they combated the Juubi. You people just have some serious selective memory. The manga has both mountain busters, and strategy. You guys are ignoring the presence of the latter just so you can satisfy your need to have something to complain about.

Nicely said.Over the past week i read the whole War and it was filled with strategy from the very begining.Every battle had it,and even the way in which the Alliance confronted the Akatsuki was fully based off of plans.There are multiple pages with Shikaku going over how they would fight.

 

[Punk Hazard]

10,000+ people and two demi-god users and an immortal man with infinite chakra were required to (not even) stop a Juubidama. Same with Obito.

In case you forgot, Madara was still standing and toying with Gai who needed to activate his own suicidal nuke.

And 2 literal demi gods with the aid of the most powerful abilities in the world powered by a literal god were required to stop Kaguya.

You list scenarios and state that the team with lesser abilities won against those with greater, but that's not even true. U_U
Gods beat gods. Period.

Wow. Having people use nukes in conjunction with strategy to stop nukes. Wow Kishi what have you done, where's the strategy in stopping nukes by combining smaller powers strategically to match and circumvent its power.

I say we all give Naruto 0/100 on Rotten Tomatoes.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nicely said.Over the past week i read the whole War and it was filled with strategy from the very begining.Every battle had it,and even the way in which the Alliance confronted the Akatsuki was fully based off of plans.There are multiple pages with Shikaku going over how they would fight.

Exactly. Naruto has fights where it's nuke vs nuke. There are fights where it's strategy vs strategy. There are fights where it's strategy vs nukes. It's never just one, Kishi knows that his fanbase is diverse, there are going to be people who may want to see one of the styles, or a combination of the styles, but he can't just supply just one type all of the time, he gives a little of every one so everyone can get what they want.

What you have here is a bunch of people mad because the style they prefer isn't what's spoon-fed to them in every single fight, God forbid Kishi cater to more than just what they want, and actually gives every type of fan something they can enjoy. It's like walking into a restaurant and going "I'm a vegetarian, vegetarian meals are better than meals with meat, why is only a section of this menu vegetarian? Why aren't more sections vegetarian, why aren't all sections vegetarian?"

If you guys want all strategy, go watch a couple YouTube videos about people playing chess.

 

[romeboii]

It's called a critique. Are you one of the people who never has anything at all even slightly negative to say about anything you read or watch?

No im one of the people who dont go complain about the same thing everyone else is complaining about especially when non of us have the ability to change it. Also if you must know the main things i dont like happened in naruto ill tell you. 1. The way madara went out people like kisame died in sucg epic ways he should of got something like that. 2. The animation is inconsistent. The kakashi vs obito animation was crazy good than look at the fight with juubito which i never really cared for even in the manga but still think it suck that the anime did not do an important fight like this better. 3. I wish they expanded on some other characters. Some other stuff. Power scaling to me is something stupid to complain about like makes no sense to me. People say the pain arc should of been the last one. But there would have been no good resolution unless it was rushed. At some point people would of complained that naruto never mastered the nine tail power. Or sasuke never came back to the village something dumb

 

[Alysia]

I agree with this. Gone were the days when being a copy ninja with 1000+ jutsus sounded more cooler that Rinnegan in one eye and Sharingan in another

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

10,000+ people and two demi-god users and an immortal man with infinite chakra were required to (not even) stop a Juubidama. Same with Obito.

In case you forgot, Madara was still standing and toying with Gai who needed to activate his own suicidal nuke.

And 2 literal demi gods with the aid of the most powerful abilities in the world powered by a literal god were required to stop Kaguya.

You list scenarios and state that the team with lesser abilities won against those with greater, but that's not even true. U_U
Gods beat gods. Period.

The point is that Chouji at this point could fight the Kyuubi pretty decently, and that is the best example of garbage power scaling.

Only the strongest could nuke and they were defeated by teamwork amd strategy - that was my piont.Madara wasn't beaten by guy but him being so much more powerful than everyone,him being able to nuke didn't stop him from being getting hit from Teamwork and Strategy multiple times.

 

[Twisted007]

What I wouldn't give to have these kind of fights again.

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[video=youtube;B6TRlFYo0hE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6TRlFYo0hE[/video]

Wire strings, shurikens, kunai, taijustu, tactics.. Naruto at its best!

 

[romeboii]

Minato is known as one of the best and he does not have god like power he was at his best and most useful when he was a strategic fighter against madara and the juubi he used ftg to save the alliance and along with tobirama to help sasike naruto to try and land a critical hit on jubbito. And helped gai land a hit on madara. As strong as naruto sasuke was there power were not doing much against kaguya except keeping the alive. But naruto out smarted her more than once and kakashi made a plan where even the much weaker sakura would become useful to seal kaguya as they could not beat her

 

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

What I wouldn't give to have these kind of fights again.

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[video=youtube;B6TRlFYo0hE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6TRlFYo0hE[/video]

Wire strings, shurikens, kunai, taijustu, tactics.. Naruto at its best!

Yeah, actuall ninja fights.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

10,000+ people and two demi-god users and an immortal man with infinite chakra were required to (not even) stop a Juubidama. Same with Obito.

In case you forgot, Madara was still standing and toying with Gai who needed to activate his own suicidal nuke.

And 2 literal demi gods with the aid of the most powerful abilities in the world powered by a literal god were required to stop Kaguya.

You list scenarios and state that the team with lesser abilities won against those with greater, but that's not even true. U_U
Gods beat gods. Period.

The point is that Chouji at this point could fight the Kyuubi pretty decently, and that is the best example of garbage power scaling.

Lol? Kyubi would destroy Chouji, especially since we have confirmation that the biju are sentient and can actually form plans of their own

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Except he still manages to put in tactics and character development.(just not guys like K11) People whine about everything it seems.

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

Also I have noticed that most of them complaining are either DBZtards or bleachtards, lmao. :leaf:

As if they have any right to say that there is no strategy.

 

[YellowFang]

I wanted Naruto's power scaling to be at max. at EMS Madara's level, shouldn't have given SM to Hashi...
Rinnegan Nagato as final villain...

SM Naruto and MS Sasuke against Rinnegan Nagato,

Final battle: BM Naruto V EMS Sasuke

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

What I wouldn't give to have these kind of fights again.

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[video=youtube;B6TRlFYo0hE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6TRlFYo0hE[/video]

Wire strings, shurikens, kunai, taijustu, tactics.. Naruto at its best!

Posted for the truth, repped and thanked!

This and Sasuke vs Deidara is the epitome of strategic battles in this show.

 

[Legitimate]

Chapter one page one kurama >>>> Pain. U_U

OT: If u think that DBZ has a high power scale, then u haven't seen many animes/ mangas. U_U
And this manga is for shounen not for seinen, and shounen love those power scales. That is the only reason DBZ and Saint seiya used to be so popular.

Also I have noticed that most of them complaining are either DBZtards or bleachtards, lmao. :leaf:

As if they have any right to say that there is no strategy.

I have been a fan of Naruto since 2002 because of the Zabusa Arc and Chunnin Exam Arc.

1.) DBZ Power Scaling was justified because at the early beginning of DragonBall, Roshi's Kame Hame Ha extiguished a Fire Mountain, but the blast is so powerful that it blows away the mountain and the Ox-King's castle.

2.) Saint Seiya was justified because at the beginning of the series, Seiya obliterated the atoms in Bear Geki's arm cloths. Seiya then kicked Geki with a kick beyond the speed of sound. Seiya used his own body, he didn't use any matter materialization to help him do that feat.

3.) Bleach was justified because Majority of the Characters are Spiritual Shinigami and other Spiritual Beings. Under normal basis, Spiritual Concepts will always be superior than Ninja Concepts.

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While Naruto as a Manga is not justified in my opinion because the humans in Naruto World are almost the same as our world with no supernatural or spiritual concepts at the early parts of the series. Humans in the Naruto World can't blow up a mountain in the early part of the series. Humans in the Naruto World can't smash atoms at the early part of the series. And Haku needed to be inside the mirrors with multiple mirrors reflecting to increase his speed in a few minutes.

Only die hard "Anime VS of Naruto" would be happy if Naruto reaches the level that could casually blow up planets and destroy solar systems.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I have been a fan of Naruto since 2002 because of the Zabusa Arc and Chunnin Exam Arc.

1.) DBZ Power Scaling was justified because at the early beginning of DragonBall, Roshi's Kame Hame Ha extiguished a Fire Mountain, but the blast is so powerful that it blows away the mountain and the Ox-King's castle.

2.) Saint Seiya was justified because at the beginning of the series, Seiya obliterated the atoms in Bear Geki's arm cloths. Seiya then kicked Geki with a kick beyond the speed of sound.

3.) Bleach was justified because Majority of the Characters are Spiritual Shinigami and other Spiritual Beings. Under normal basis, Spiritual Concepts will always be superior than Ninja Concepts.

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While Naruto as a Manga is not justified in my opinion because the humans in Naruto World are almost the same as our world with no supernatural or spiritual concepts at the early parts of the series.

Only die hard "Anime VS of Naruto" would be happy if Naruto reaches the level that could casually blow up planets and destroy solar systems.

I never knew someone could have been reading Naruto so long, yet miss the very first panel of the series.

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"No supernatural elements" my but! XD


From the start, we were introduced to a monster that could make massive devastation with physical attributes alone, and we quickly discovered that the protagonist could aces this power. What was that about justification because of the starts of the manga again?