Akatsuki wins if they all have intel on each others abilities. Even if Hashi gets full intel he can't manage against the Obito combos others above have mentioned.
Akatsuki wins if intel is manga, Hashi knows nothing about each Akatsuki member except that Itachi is a Sharingan user, and Kakuzu has 5 hearts. Akatsuki knows Hashi is the strongest Hokage due to Obito being around Madara who would have praised him to Obito. Meaning Akatsuki won't screw around. Kisame's 1000s of sharks, with Deidara's village busting clay, with infinite numbers of exploding papers, with Obito's massive fire, with large scaled ST by Pain, with Pain and Deidara's summonings they can all take flight making them harder to hit targets and they can avoid Pollen world.
Hashirama wins if there is no intel on either side, or he has full intel since no one, even Itachi can be ready for his overwhelming jutsu.
If this is MS Obito and the Six Paths of Pain than Hashirama beats the Akatuski
-Hashirama Wood clones ca take out Konan, Zetsu, Hidan and Sasori or he can just restrain them with the Gates
-Deep Forest Bloom puts the rest of the remaining Akatuski to sleep and the remaining ones they get Squashed by SS or Wood Golem
-The only problem is MS Obito with Kamui but Obito wouldn't be able to survive a long lasting battle against Hashirama and since he can't tell the difference between Wood clones and if he sucks in a wood clone he gets killed from the other dimension and he wouldn't be able to attack him head on
If Nagato wants to use the soul dragon, he needs to synchronize with the Gedo Mazo, leaving himself crippled and drained. That's the only canon usage of Gedo Mazo by Nagato. Using Gedo Mazo to go on rampage with seven beasts is fanfic, as it was Obito who used Gedo Mazo like this. Once Nagato synchronized with the Mazo, he Hashirama drops a gate on the Mazo and on Nagato to finish them both. Even with 7 beasts, Gedo Mazo would be no problem. Hashirama even restrained the Juubi. He drops a few gates on the Mazo and then drains its Chakra with Mokuton.
If Nagato wants to use the soul dragon, he needs to synchronize with the Gedo Mazo, leaving himself crippled and drained. That's the only canon usage of Gedo Mazo by Nagato. Using Gedo Mazo to go on rampage with seven beasts is fanfic, as it was Obito who used Gedo Mazo like this. Once Nagato synchronized with the Mazo, he Hashirama drops a gate on the Mazo and on Nagato to finish them both. Even with 7 beasts, Gedo Mazo would be no problem. Hashirama even restrained the Juubi. He drops a few gates on the Mazo and then drains its Chakra with Mokuton.
Lmfao I'm the one grasping at straws yet you have no proof that hashi can use any other jutsu while focusing on his most powerful one. Freaking hilarious. Lol
Until you show me hashi using other jutsus while maintaining his most powerful jutsu then you're doing nothing but bullsh*t.
-In a battle it's going to be hard to keep your eye on the original even with a Sharingan
Lol Sprouting a bit of mokuton isn't going to completely obstruct obito's vision, not when he can teleport to wherever he needs to.
& Switching with a clone is useless as well, with sharingan precog allowing obito to track hashi's movements + sharingan chakra vision allowing obito to never lose sight of hashi's chakra.
-At the end of the day Obito will warp a clone and lose if he's foolish enough to go for a warp
At the end of the day hashi gets his ass warped, or as beans said obito simply gets deidara to prep C-0 in the kamui dimension then instead of warping him away all he has to do is release deidara when he's ready.
Then he'll simply deactivate it, it's not that hard.
Too late, once obito realizes which hashi had the marks he won't lose sight of him.
Also, unless you have a reason as to why hashi would randomly deactivate SM then he isn't doing it in the middle of the battle. Hashi doesn't have info on the strategy I mentioned, so he isn't going to prepare for it by handicapping himself.
Yes I can, if hashi created the clone at all during the time that madara had his sharingan active then he would've been able to tell the difference. The fact that madara was fooled by the clone is proof that it was created after he deactivated his eyes.
The only thing that madara can do that obito can't is tell the difference between clones & the original, however this doesn't in any way mean that madara can track objects better than obito can.
Obito with a small amount of rikudou chakra has reacted to JJ madara & his gudodamas which were shown to be faster than a single kamui warp. [
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Obito has also shown us his superior tracking skills/sharingan precog through his fight with konan. [
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Therefore, if obito can react to & defend against madara's gudodamas, & if he can pluck konan out of a wave of paper, then he'll have no problem tracking hashirama.
Sure here's a scan of Hashirama using SS to restrain Kurama, using mokujin, and kakuan nitten suishu. All at the same time.
Smh, the mokujin on top of hashi's jutsu is still part of his SS. He didn't use a jutsu to create the mokujin after he used SS, they came together, so that isn't a separate jutsu.
As for him using multiple jutsus simultaneously, I think you need to have a closer look at those panels again. In the scan you posted we see SS grab kurama, then after that in the next panel we see hashi's mokujin jump off the statue's head. It's not until after it does this that hashi starts to use the seal to suppress kurama.
& The scan previous to the one you posted shows that the mokujin statue on top of SS's head was static the whole time that hashi was using the 1000 arms. [
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What this all means is that the mokujin statue on top of the SS statue is unusable until hashi separates them, & when he does he loses control of SS. So I'll say it again, until hashi has feats of being able to use his most powerful jutsu along with others, then stating he can is fanfic all around.
You really need to start reading on a reasonable level, what I meant to say [& it should've been obvious] was: "...otherwise hashi would've been using multiple mokujins simultaneously to fight madara."
Hashi hasn't used two mokujins at the same time, so he isn't doing it here.
If you're foolish enough to think that's his limit.
- Prove that madara was using PS off panel up until we saw them fight
- Prove that hashi used any large scale jutsus before we saw them fight
- Prove that the time between kurama getting put to sleep & hashi killing madara wasn't also a significant part of their fight
We didn't see the entire fight, therefore all you have here is speculation. We can only base hashi's feats off of what we saw him do. Having more chakra simply means that he can last longer, not that he can use multiple large scale jutsus simultaneously, that's fanfiction.
Hashirama would have died if that was the case because he didn't whip out SS until the climax of the 24 hour fight.
If madara was merely utilizing kurama then hashi would've had multiple ways of dealing with it before pulling out mokujin or mokuryuu. How do you know they didn't fight via taijutsu/kenjutsu/shurikenjutsu/hell even genjutsu, for a large portion of the time?
Just because they fought for a while doesn't mean that they were busting out their most powerful moves from the get-go, so it's not valid evidence.
Wrong, it's slower in general. As it's been shown multiple times, it takes a while for zetsu to completely merge with objects. [
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Kamui clearly outclasses this. [
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"...Takes longer to absorb someone/something else", now lets look at how fast he can do that. [
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] Since these feats would take longer to perform than if obito was to just warp himself, then that proves kamui's superiority in speed completely.
Like I said, Obito is the only threat, and multiple wood clones deal with him.
My arguments contain facts taken directly from the manga & they haven't been countered. I don't care how valid you may think my comments are, I know that they're more valid than comments like this:
So you might think I'm wrong & that's your opinion, but at the end of the day I [& many of the akatsuki supporters] have the arguments that nobody's countered.
I also find it hilarious you're talking like Obito can solo when on my Hashi vs MS Obito thread you called it a spite thread.
This has always been my opinion ever since your sorry ass appeared on these forums, MS obito without a summon loses but I guess I failed to mention that any obito with a summon > hashi.
In this case the akatsuki are obito's pseudo-summons, the distraction he needs in order to warp hashi away.
Dude I addressed this, hashi didn't use any jutsus until his mokujin hopped off the head of his SS statue as shown in that very scan you posted. It wasn't until he did this that he started using jutsus, & once he did SS didn't move again.
My arguments contain facts taken directly from the manga & they haven't been countered. I don't care how valid you may think my comments are, I know that they're more valid than comments like this:
This is where you become an idiot. Your whole premise is contingent upon speculation - "Obito won't lose track of the original hashirama" Lol
-Obito and Madara already fell for Naruto's clone feint, and they were directly facing Naruto the whole time standing on the Juubi. So don't say everyone is wrong and I'm right because I use facts dumbass lmao
I say Hashirama can sprout Mokuton to easily cover the LoS and you give a dumbass counter "Obito will use Kamui to cover all angles and he'll see" Lol
So you might think I'm wrong & that's your opinion, but at the end of the day I [& many of the akatsuki supporters] have the arguments that nobody's countered
