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Lol hiashi takes this mid diff if you knew even an once about hyugas and the byakugan. Hiashi tracked massive hyper sonic speed (battle dome) no diff. Not surprised with the amount of clueless users.

Yes, from a massive distance. 80 meters per second is considered to be capable of going out of your sight. However, put 80 meters 1 kilometer away from you and it's never going out of your sight no matter what. Similarly, go watch a Bugatti moving on a high way and you'll have difficulty tracking it from a very close range, go 10 kilometres away, put some binoculars on, and you'll be tracking it with ease.. Unless you are talking about something other than the distant Juubi TBB, then you should specify.
 

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Implying Hiashi can react in time. Implying he can activate the rotation before the enton oneshots him. Sasuke is roughly as fast as V1 Ay whereas Hiashi has no speed feats at all. Probably he is only as fast as Udon.

What a clown you are .

OT: I think Hiashi could win
 

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Apex your logic is flawed.

You say Deidara was faster than Gaara's sand and then said he was slower than Sasuke but then didn't mention the fact that he was on his clay bird (which Onoki as well caught up to) against Gaara. Unless you think Deidara himself is faster than his clay bird.
 

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About this tracking argument; we shouldn't use real logic with that. Because many, many calculations have shown characters from Naruto reacting to things, normally they shouldn't. Seeing things, normally they shouldn't. Moving at a certain speed, when normally.. they shouldn't. For example... I think we can all agree Rasenshuriken is Mach 70. Pain reacted and saw through that attack, from point blank range. Chiyo, reacted to Satetsu that in very canon broke the sound barrier. And she's not a sensor.

So... the argument about a normal human being wouldn't be able to see things from this speed, or that speed is pointless. A normal human being shouldn't be able to move at all at supersonic speeds. But characters in Naruto, do. This is why it is called, fictional manga.
 
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Lol hiashi takes this mid diff if you knew even an once about hyugas and the byakugan. Hiashi tracked massive hyper sonic speed (battle dome) no diff. Not surprised with the amount of clueless users.
Funny thing is Sakura's done the same lmao.

OT: Susanoo arrows give Sasuke the win. He takes this low-mid difficulty at most. If susanoo is restricted, Hiashi would win with high difficulty.

Implying Hiashi can react in time. Implying he can activate the rotation before the enton oneshots him. Sasuke is roughly as fast as V1 Ay whereas Hiashi has no speed feats at all. Probably he is only as fast as Udon.
If only I could neg you right now...

Implying Hiashi can react in time. Implying he can activate the rotation before the enton oneshots him. Sasuke is roughly as fast as V1 Ay whereas Hiashi has no speed feats at all. Probably he is only as fast as Udon.
Lol, stop posting in the VS Section. Please.
Lol hiashi takes this mid diff if you knew even an once about hyugas and the byakugan. Hiashi tracked massive hyper sonic speed (battle dome) no diff. Not surprised with the amount of clueless users.
If you think Hiashi wins, do NB a favor and ask the Mods for a perma ban.
Lol.
 
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Implying Hiashi can react in time. Implying he can activate the rotation before the enton oneshots him. Sasuke is roughly as fast as V1 Ay whereas Hiashi has no speed feats at all. Probably he is only as fast as Udon.

This is why i refuse to take this "one' seriously smh
 

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Apex your logic is flawed.

You say Deidara was faster than Gaara's sand and then said he was slower than Sasuke but then didn't mention the fact that he was on his clay bird (which Onoki as well caught up to) against Gaara. Unless you think Deidara himself is faster than his clay bird.

No, it's not. Deidara said he couldn't use C1 bird on Sasuke implying Sasuke was too fast for it, hence the usage of C2 bird was employed in that fight. It didn't require for Deidara to outplay Sasuke speed wise, he could simply sit out of his range. And no, regardless of whether he is on his C1 or not, he lost sight of Sasuke and only realised his location when Tobi said "behind you," so Sasuke does it again when Deidara is using his C1.
 

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About this tracking argument; we shouldn't use real manga logic with that. Because many, many calculations have shown characters from Naruto reacting to things, normally they shouldn't. Seeing things, normally they shouldn't. Moving at a certain speed, when normally.. they shouldn't. For example... I think we can all agree Rasenshuriken is Mach 70. Pain reacted and saw through that attack, from point blank range. Chiyo, reacted to Satetsu that in very canon broke the sound barrier. And she's not a sensor.

So... the argument about a normal human being wouldn't be able to see things from this speed, or that speed is pointless. A normal human being shouldn't be able to move at all at supersonic speeds. But characters in Naruto, do. This is why it is called, fictional manga.

How is FRS mach 70 again? From what I recall that calculation was shat on. So no, Pain reacted to it means its speed isn't as great as it was made out to be in that falsified calc. Sound barrier is broken by almost every character, it was simply emphaised to a greater extent in that chapter, unless Shinju Madara is slower than Satetsu?... Because he would have a shockwave behind him the entire time, and no character would ever hear the other due to the 'boom'. Sensing isn't required to react to supersonic attacks in NV.

And you took this in an idiotic way. The entire point was seeing something from a far distance that's moving at 100km/h is easier than seeing something moving at 100km/h from point blank. That's a fact to both NV and our real world, nothing to argue about here.
 

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What the fùck. This is what they call burden of proof fallacy. Debating doesn't work this way, that's like telling me to give you evidence that Sasuke can blitz some genin I've never heard of, despite him having no impressive speed/reaction feats. Give me a feat of his reaction speed, striking speed or movement speed and then we're talking. Till then it's a moot point.
We've been over your misuse of the burden of proof fallacy. If you want to assert something as true, then you have a burden of proof to support your assertion with an argument whether it be Sasuke can blitz that gennin or sasuke can't blitz that gennin. You're not fulfilling that burden of proof, you're saying that because i can't show that Sasuke can't blitz the gennin via speed feats, then sasuke blitzes that gennin which is the equivalent of saying "prove me wrong, else I'm right". If we don't have speed feats to compare, then we can't compare the characters via speed feats, else you could do the reverse of what you're saying and say that before kaguya had any speed feats, chapter 1 naruto blitzes her because he has speed feats.

So if we can't compare the characters via speed feats, we compare them via hype or general level since a comparison that's not as accurate is still far better than one that's outright fallacious.

I never said he was as fast as Ay now did I? I said he was keeping up with v1 Ay, meaning he's comparable. Unless you want to disprove me, then there's not much to argue here, his v2 is in its own league, his v1 isn't close to as impressive. Byakugan boosts reactions? Since when? It has no pre-cog, so Sasuke still blitzes until you can prove otherwise. Sasuke was far quicker than Deidara in Hebi, Deidara was quicker than Gaara's sand when he was still a Jinchuriki, I can't see how you came to the conclusion that MS Sasuke can't blitz Hiashi. Not to mention, Aoda busts through any Kaiten at this point.
Sasuke's speed isn't comparable to Ei's speed just like SM Naruto's speed isn't comparable to sandaime raikage's speed. Both are able to blitz their opponents because of their super reactions as shown when sasuke fought naruto at VoTe
Anything that gives you a greater perception of the external world will boost your reactions, why do you think sensors have boosted reactions, why do you think pain's share vision gave him boosted reactions?

Deidara never engaged gaara's sand while on the ground, it was all in flight, and he actually wasn't faster than the sand considering he had to blow himself up to escape and lost an arm.
 

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Hiashi single-handedly deflected one of the Juubi's tails.

And he does have one reflex feat, before the latter could even compose himself. Susano'o arrow is fast, but not that fast. Even an aged Danzo had time to think and let Hashi's cells manifest themselves into a fully bloomed tree before the arrow had reached him. To top of it off, the distance between them wasn't significant.

I would have given this to MS Sasuke if Hiashi didn't have intel but since he does, he knows what to expect. As a Hyuga, having the ability to see chakra clearly means he can see when Sasuke intends to use Amaterasu.
 

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Okay, it's time for me to jump in.

According to the language flowery 3rd Databook, Deidara's reaction speed is greater than that of Hiashi's. Sasuke was going to speed blitz Deidara had it not been for Tobi's vociferation. That right there should substantiate the argument that Sasuke's body flicker speed is significantly fast enough to speed blitz Hiashi. The Byakugon does not increase one's reflexes/reaction, it just makes one see exponentially farther; nowhere in the manga or the databook does it state or insinuate otherwise. The Sharingan is the only ocular booster that grants an increase in the reflexes/reaction speed department.
 
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Hiashi single-handedly deflected one of the Juubi's tails.

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So what? Ninjas like Choji and Choza were holding the same arms with their bare hands. Fodders with fuutons were obliterating it easily.
 

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Okay, it's time for me to jump in.

According to the language flowery 3rd Databook, Deidara's reaction speed is greater than that of Hiashi's. Sasuke was going to speed blitz Deidara had it not been for Tobi's vociferation. That right there should substantiate the argument that Sasuke's body flicker speed is significantly fast enough to speed blitz Hiashi.
can you post the portions of the databook that lead you to that belief. Also, sasuke never blitzed deidara, he came close, but in the end deidara could react to all of his attacks whether it be jumping out of the way or throwing a C1 hand grenade at sasuke. Hiashi doesn't even need to physically react when he can use a rotation with an AoE of 15+ meters.

The Byakugon does not increase one's reflexes/reaction, it just makes one see exponentially further; nowhere in the manga or the databook does it state or insinuate otherwise. The Sharingan is the only ocular booster that grants an increase in the reflexes/reaction speed department.
All doujutsu or abilities that allow you to perceive the external world greater to a greater extent than the human eye increases reactions. If that wasn't the case, then pain's reactions wouldn't increase with his shared vision, neither would Naruto's reactions increase with his sage mode sensing.
 

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No, it's not. Deidara said he couldn't use C1 bird on Sasuke implying Sasuke was too fast for it, hence the usage of C2 bird was employed in that fight. It didn't require for Deidara to outplay Sasuke speed wise, he could simply sit out of his range. And no, regardless of whether he is on his C1 or not, he lost sight of Sasuke and only realised his location when Tobi said "behind you," so Sasuke does it again when Deidara is using his C1.


Deidara never said he couldn't use C1 bird because of that? His resorting to C2 was due to the fact that he had to take Sasuke on from a distance since Sasuke was too fast. C1 bird doesn't release explosives while C2 Dragon releases tons of explosives. All his intent throughout was to fly out of Sasuke's range and still attack him with large scale explosion through the Dragon..something C1 bird lacks considering Deidara has to create explosive via his hands each time he's on C1.

If not, then I don't know why he'll create a C1 bird to take flight afterwards when he could have just created C2 again if the bird was slower or so .

Not to mention, you make it seems like Sasuke would instantly blitz Hiashi because Deidara said he was too fast. Understandable but not really the case since Deidara managed to react at least from close range .Why won't Hiashi be able to release chakra from his body before this?
 

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So what? Ninjas like Choji and Choza were holding the same arms with their bare hands. Fodders with fuutons were obliterating it easily.

This is the same guy that thinks he countered my posts several times in the Sakura vs Neji thread lol

PLZ show "scans"!! of these two instances to prove that ur not a guy that has his eyes blinded by butt grease..

btw check back in Sakura vs Neji thread,ur stupid arguments has already been mooted in the latest page,but first,clean out ur eyes before posting as ur vision and logic seem to be a bit smelly to be polite.
 
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So what? Ninjas like Choji and Choza were holding the same arms with their bare hands. Fodders with fuutons were obliterating it easily.

This isn't correct.

Choji's technique works by converting his calories into chakra and we saw here that the Kyyubi chakra caused a massive increase as he and Kiba said . Naturally without it, he was around the GM Size as you can see with Choza's head being on the same level with it and the GM is around a Bijuu's level or even bigger.

Same goes for the Fuuton which required other techniques as well to assist it especially.
 

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Lol hiashi takes this mid diff if you knew even an once about hyugas and the byakugan. Hiashi tracked massive hyper sonic speed (battle dome) no diff. Not surprised with the amount of clueless users.

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