[Theory] !! Indra's Transmigrants !!

[CopyCatBlueMage]

Disagree .

Cooperation is nothing more than a silent fight .

Darkness shall bring the true happiness .

Care to provide proof for those claims?

 

[AllseeingSharingan]

One question how would Indra and ashura know a new born babies ideals?

 

[riley freeman]

Nice read bro, and I agree

 

[annganda]

nice point you have there. :hooray:

 

[Ghost7]

Nice Theory Its a good possibility

 

[ᖇ α z m α η]

nice thread. Looks complete

Great job bro, will rep when I can

Great theory man

Thanks guys

how does indra and ashura find similiar ideals in newborn babies?

i agree on the love part <3 <3

Indra's chakra doesn't pass onto them completely until their ideologies match [The Uchiha clan possessed some chakra of Indra, due to their bloodline]

P.S. The transmigration process is longer due to it .

Excellent thread. Best compilation of facts focused on the transmigrants latching onto the values within the person.

I agree with the claim that the extinction of the Uchuha clan will not end the transmigration. All Indra needs is a person with superior ability and intellect who embraces the philosophy of "power cures all."

You've also detailed the only logical way for the transmigrants to be at peace; the clue was on the Uchiha tablet.

Last but not least, it would be the perfect ending to the story: both sides accepting the merit of each other and working together (Bff status preferred but not mandatory.). It reminded me of the final drawing in Sai's picture book.

Thanks for posting!

Glad you understood the point

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I like the thread, but the initial thought and idea were already obvious to any reader who is mature enough to process it. I agree with love conquering darkness, but it's not just about that. No one succeeded in "subduing" Indra's transmigrant to Ashura's ways which means the bloodline and the ideal you spoke off are strongly present in any transmigrant. Now, the problem comes from Ashura's influence and Indra's susceptibility to that influence. Naruto will most likely be the only one who succeeds because he inherited the influence and the bond towards his brother more than any other trnasmigrant, more than even Ashura himself. This is why many believe Naruto won't subdue Sasuke with power but with his infamous TnJ. To put it in simple words, Naruto has the most persistence and will to go after his brother, unlike any other. Indra's spirit will simply be too weak for such fierce determination.

They're the representation of their predecessors mainly due to their ideology [Which causes the transfer of chakra - Transmigration]

They'll most likely find balance and realize that both forces are essential to the improvement of humanity .

Interesting and very well compiled. But Hashirama? I think he was pretty strong from the start. Maybe its the other way round, ie if you're the reincarnation, then you have the same ideals.

Hashirama was stronger than his counterpart mostly because he was fighting from childhood [Ashura's chakra blooms through hardwork]

The transmigration process takes longer, mainly because they've to find the suitable candidate .​

 

[OWanime]

I like this xd this is great because there is plenty of evidence and it explains the current situation well

 

[Rikudo SenninKun Namikaze]

!! The purpose of this theory is to identify the importance of Indra's Transmigrants !!

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The Transmigrants

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When considering transmigration our body and mind are two separate entities. Even when our body disintegrates at death, the continuum of the mind remains unbroken. Instead of ceasing, the mind simply leaves the present body and goes to the next life.

The transmigrants are not chosen by bloodline but their ideals :

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Note : Naruto followed the footsteps of Ashura with the help of others

On the other hand Sasuke believes that power is the key to bring peace to the world :

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Note : The common belief between Indra and Sasuke

Although the brothers destroyed each other, their chakra transmigrated onto the future generation :

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Note : Indras chakra passed down along with Ashura

- The brothers had different views about peace, which led to the conflict between them -

Indra and The Uchiha Clan

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Indra as the ancestor of Uchiha clan passed down fragments of his chakra onto his descendants [In the form of DNA], it’s that portion of chakra which awakens the sharingan :

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Note : Indras chakra is released when the descendants experience ‘loss of love’

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Note : Their eyes become stronger correlation to the darkness in their heart

The same feelings Indra encountered when he was forced to side along with his brother. A resentment towards his family and forcing himself to walk alone through the path he chose.

Sasuke faces the same obstacles as his predecessors :

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Note : Loss of family is a common attribute among the Indra reincarnations

When a person goes through the same experiences and start walking towards darkness, they will eventually become the embodiment of Indra himself.

- The chakra of Indra residing within them awakened the sharingan, when they experience the loss of love -

Resolve of Indra

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Determination of Indra will continue to pass on, even if Sasuke doesn’t manage to find a solution to the grudge between the brothers. Since the chakra can pass onto anyone with the same principles [Outside of the bloodline].

Kakashi showed the possibility to acquire sharingan, with the help of Obitos chakra :

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Note : Obito granted him only a fraction of his chakra

- The darkness will remain in the world, which cannot be eliminated -

Towards Peace

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Though there is a possibility for peace if the opposite forces co-operate together :

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In this case the opposite forces are Naruto and Sasuke :

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Note : Both of their co-operation is needed in order to find a balance

The same reason Hagoromo divided the remaining chakra and passed onto them :

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Note : Hagoromo admitting his mistake [That he should’ve paved a path for both forces working together]

Though Sasuke doesn’t believe in co-operation, he will eventually come to realize that love can be replenished which transforms his hatred into love [Creating a bond with Naruto as a brother] :

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Note : In return will create a domino effect on Indras soul

It will create equality among the brothers, which will remove the hatred Indra had towards his family.

- Though the darkness will still remain, it’ll be used as a force to identify the weakness of humanity with the help of Indras reincarnations -

! Conclusion !

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The transmigrants are chosen according to their ideals

Indra's chakra is the medium among the Uchiha Clan to awaken the sharingan, which can also transfer outside the bloodline

Indra's resentment towards his family will vanish, when Sasuke starts to co-operate with Naruto

Darkness cannot be eliminated but can be conquered by love in order to create balance in the world

“Accept your dark side, understanding it will help you to move with the light. Knowing both sides of our souls, helps us all to move forward in life and to understand that, perfection doesn't exist - Martin R. Lemieux”

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:. Thanks for reading & Open for comments .:
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good job... i mean ... kind of obvious since this is the story of this manga...but nonetheless great job compiling the main points together about indra with scans.

 

[Rikudo SenninKun Namikaze]

evil and good is verb its not a noun, its something that describes action happening or that has happened but it doesnt refer to people. when the person commits a bad deed his deed is evil or the action commited but the person itself or the character remains pure.

i hope you know and actually realize that's totally b.s.

i'll give you the ultimate example of this, hitler. The holocaust. And if you don't believe it happened, then you cannot deny the terrible acts of violence and evil he perpetrated beyond that of the concentration camps. So you say he's pure? His actions are the evil?
I understand your point. We all can redeem ourselves, and make a change for the better, no matter how dark our being becomes. We can always transform the negativity into positivity through redemptions (notice redemptions are also acts of continuity of GOOD deeds) But unfortunately that's not real life, and that's more like fairy tails. In reality it is the continuity and escalation of those evil actions will taint the purity in ourselves, and thus not making the actions evil anymore, but the person him/herself.

Also, it's a lot harder to cleanse that purity through transformation of that negativity through redemption than it is to continue on that negative path.

SO ya, I don't think you thought it through yet.

 

[Rikudo SenninKun Namikaze]

Its possible.

There is the factor of Indra's incarnation and Ashura's incarnation having to be born around the same time to rival each other.
Ex. Madara has a child that will carry similar ideals to Indra, but no child is born in the senju blood line to become Ashura's incarnation , therefore Madara's child will not become an incarnation. The same rules apply vice versa.

I personally think its when two children, one from Indra's blood line, the other from Ashura's bloodline are born around the same time, they become incarnations.

i agree with that part as well. +rep

 

[Torche]

The concept of transmigration [via chakra] was introduced in order to showcase that they will continue the cycle until they find peace [Including the fact they're not limited by blood]

Madara did not attain the swirly eyes you're referring [It doesn't exclude him from the reincarnation cycle] .​

Yes, but this is Indra we are talking about. He that did "everything on his own", it kind of defeats that concept if he goes into someone of a different bloodline to continue. Albeit that boundary is already messed what with Madara getting Hashirama's DNA and Sasuke getting Juugo's DNA, Hashirama's DNA, Rinnegan from Hagoromo, Help with Taka, CS, etc.

No, I was saying that if it is transferable outside of the bloodline he would have to somehow manifest the Sharingan and MS in the host body. Shouldn't Sasuke and Madara have both gained Indra's eyes like Kakashi did Obito's as soon as they became his transmigration?

 

[YowYan]

I miss these type of well thought-out theory threads

 

[shelke]

Despite the fact that I disagree, I loved the short and concise format. I don't think it is a theory, as it seems a fad at this point in Naruto that 'friendship boat is a one-way ticket to brother homoerotic brotherhood nirvana'. This egregious mantra has become insanely annoying.

Uchiha ideals are different as they take away the mask of the political juggernauts and present them in true colours. NV has never been about free will, so there was never any light in it to begin with.

 

[Entou]

Great theory! Seems very plausible.

 

[Namikaze1126]

That's a lot of info and a very nice theory!

 

[ᖇ α z m α η]

Great theory man

Nice read, even though the majority of it was pretty obvious already.

Indra Transmigration can be sum up in Buddhism,you keep coming back because you have yet to get it right and Indra uses the lop not to stop the cycle of violence but to change the outcome. He wants to defeat Ashura no matter if it takes till the end of time.

Nice theory +rep

Nice theory

Glad you guys liked it !!

It's a good theory dude! And kudos for the thought and time you put into it! I'm wondering if it's going to take a turn in the manga at some point where Indra and Ashura manage to speak to each other through (and, or with) Naruto, and Sasuke. I'd like to hear what they would say about everything so far.

Thanks, unfortunately the time is limited for such a conversation with their predecessors

P.S. There's a possibility for it in the upcoming movie

Its possible.

There is the factor of Indra's incarnation and Ashura's incarnation having to be born around the same time to rival each other.
Ex. Madara has a child that will carry similar ideals to Indra, but no child is born in the senju blood line to become Ashura's incarnation , therefore Madara's child will not become an incarnation. The same rules apply vice versa.

I personally think its when two children, one from Indra's blood line, the other from Ashura's bloodline are born around the same time, they become incarnations.

Glad you got the point !!

Madara was fighting since a kid just like Hashirama and killed grown men before he even got the Sharingan. It never really showed Hashirama receiving help, he would go off on his own which is how he met Madara. So since both Hashirama and Madara were born in the same environment so Madara should have been stronger than Hashirama but Hashirama is his own person and not Ashura so he isn't held down by the need of others help to make him strong. Naruto not having parents made him good off and play pranks which made him stupid as a result which made him stupid compared to Ashura.

The connection Indra and Ashura have with their bloodline is strong and is how they can continue to pass on through the generations. If that wasn't so then nothing stopped Ashura or Indra from coming back in those who shared their ideals that's not from Uchiha or Senju/Uzumaki. Sasuke didn't share Indra's ideals at all at first, he started to later on when he fell into hatred.

But Obito isn't Kakashi's reincarnation, he only went there temporary to give him power. Indra and Ashura are reborn into their reincarnations and become that person, when that person dies they move on to another person taking their unique chakra with them.

Ashura's chakra blooms when they go through hard work, it gave an upper hand for Hashirama even though they started around the same age

Hashirama still valued the opinion of others and believed that Love/Compassion is the true path to peace

Ashura was stated to be the same, until he started training with others [It's one of the primary reasons they understand the importance of others]

They were reincarnated through the same clans, mainly because they were rivals from the beginning which triggered the repetitive process

Indeed, Sasuke became the embodiment of Indra when he started following the same ideals

Obito was able to transfer his powers to Kakashi [Eventhough he's not a transmigrant] through chakra grants the view that it's plausible to transfer outside of bloodline

In order to break the cycle and move on the souls have to achieve their purpose !! ​

 

[Spongebond]

Nice read well done.

 

[Narutolu]

nice theorem

 

[crysis04]

will done it very good

 

[pakitoT3L3K]

Disagree .

Cooperation is nothing more than a silent fight .

Darkness shall bring the true happiness .

Please...you couldnt even understand what cooperation between dark and light would bring..