Uzumaki origins.

[UzumakiRyu]

Re-read my post. I said how do you think the ENTIRE clan has it? They obviously practice incest relations otherwise it'd only be in a few Hyuuga. Hashirama and Mito being somewhat related isn't a problem for this setting.

Dude my point is still valid to your question, incest isn't the answer if they had not being descendants of Hamura if they weren't they'd just be normal people with kids who are handicaped or w.e u call it.

 

[Hata Hideaki]

Time changed "Ero-sage of the 6 ass." or "The Sage of the 6 pussies" into "the sage of the 6 pathes".
*_*

hehehe you are right on the mark!

 

[Zawerni]

Uzumaki well most Naruto is the exception here are known for their Red Hair so unless we see Senju's with this trait then I think we can close this topic right?

Unless a Senju male hooked up with a red hair female, and their children were the beginning of the Uzumaki as I posed before.

It could just simply be a random Senju guy long ago had a child/children with a random woman. This child(ren) would become the Uzumaki. Since their father was Senju, that explains their powerful bodies and life force that they had. Then the Uzumaki grew from there.

 

[Torche]

Dude my point is still valid to your question, incest isn't the answer if they had not being descendants of Hamura if they weren't they'd just be normal people with kids who are handicaped or w.e u call it.

You think that somehow an entire clan miraculously has the exact same bloodline trait like that. It'd have to be a 100% genetic make up, but even then the Hyuuga are all extremely close in their looks. Real life logic is useless in the NV. Lol

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Unless a Senju male hooked up with a red hair female, and their children were the beginning of the Uzumaki as I posed before.

Some random Senju guy hooks up with a random woman? sounds very vaque and hard to believe. I stay with my point. The Uzumaki are blood relatives only and not something made like you assume from some one night stand lol

 

[Zawerni]

Some random Senju guy hooks up with a random woman? sounds very vaque and hard to believe. I stay with my point. The Uzumaki are blood relatives only and not something made like you assume from some one night stand lol

Who said one night stand? They could have been married. I say random because it could have been any Senju. They weren't a small clan.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

You think that somehow an entire clan miraculously has the exact same bloodline trait like that. It'd have to be a 100% genetic make up, but even then the Hyuuga are all extremely close in their looks. Real life logic is useless in the NV. Lol

And how can you prove that through "incest" they somehow "miraculously" gained the Byakugan, It's more believable to assume that they were blessed with those eyes because of their descendancy from Hamura yep made that word up lmao.

 

[davidou]

Well actually since Hagamoro and Hamura are brothers everyone descended from both are related to each other so no use debating that point lol

You would be happy with that?
All clans coming from Kaguya?

Given that you like to think , like me , that Hagoromo is the ancestor of only 2 clans , that makes a lot of work for Hamura , don't you think?
Take all the ninja , put the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan in a corner , all the diversity of ninjas that is in the main group would once have been in Hamura's blood?
Ero-Hamura of the 6 wifes?

In my theory , Kaguya would be the ancestor of a few clans , Senju , Uchiha , Hyuga and maybe few others.
The majority of the ancestors of all the clans in the world would be simple humans that became friend with Hagoromo during his trip.
Hagoromo gave them the ability to use ninshuu , each time he gives the ability , one clan is created.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

You would be happy with that?
All clans coming from Kaguya?

Given that you like to think , like me , that Hagoromo is the ancestor of only 2 clans , that makes a lot of work for Hamura , don't you think?
Take all the ninja , put the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan in a corner , all the diversity of ninjas that is in the main group would once have been in Hamura's blood?
Ero-Hamura of the 6 wifes?

In my theory , Kaguya would be the ancestor of a few clans , Senju , Uchiha , Hyuga and maybe few others.
The majority of the ancestors of all the clans in the world would be simple humans that became friend with Hagoromo during his trip.
Hagoromo gave them the ability to use ninshuu , each time he gives the ability , one clan is created.

Na man don't put words in my mouth. I don't remember saying which clans are descended from Hago or Hamura. thats for someone else to make a theory about.

 

[Torche]

And how can you prove that through "incest" they somehow "miraculously" gained the Byakugan, It's more believable to assume that they were blessed with those eyes because of their descendancy from Hamura yep made that word up lmao.

I can't prove anything as nothing is explained in this much detail. :| But it is the logical conclusion as the clan expands not a single one doesn't have the Byakugan, as blood thins there would logically be less-and-less chance for the Byakugan, but that is not the case. Take a look at Hagoromo, and Hamura; Hagoromo didn't get the Byakugan thus it isn't 100% certain that their descendants (one with it) will get it, yet they all still have it. If both parents were to have the Byakugan there would be no other eye DNA to have another normal eye. I think that we should stop this Hyuuga debate though as it isn't really relevant to the thread. It's getting off-topic. Lol

You would be happy with that?
All clans coming from Kaguya?

Given that you like to think , like me , that Hagoromo is the ancestor of only 2 clans , that makes a lot of work for Hamura , don't you think?
Take all the ninja , put the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan in a corner , all the diversity of ninjas that is in the main group would once have been in Hamura's blood?
Ero-Hamura of the 6 wifes?

In my theory , Kaguya would be the ancestor of a few clans , Senju , Uchiha , Hyuga and maybe few others.
The majority of the ancestors of all the clans in the world would be simple humans that became friend with Hagoromo during his trip.
Hagoromo gave them the ability to use ninshuu , each time he gives the ability , one clan is created.

I wouldn't say ALL clans come from Kaguya, but all with Kekkei Genkai as she is the Origin of Kekkei Genkai. It's logical to assume that.

 

[davidou]

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Obito is acting like he was Madara , he is not , did he ever met Hashirama?
I don't take as a fact what that guy says , he could be lying , I have big doubts over the truth of those words.

Do you think Obito is aware of the presence of Ashura's chakra in Naruto and Hashirama?
He could be talking about that shiny chakra.
I think he is just talking about the will of fire of Ashura.

 

[Torche]

Obito is acting like he was Madara , he is not , did he ever met Hashirama?
I don't take as a fact what that guy says , he could be lying , I have big doubts over the truth of those words.

Do you think Obito is aware of the presence of Ashura's chakra in Naruto and Hashirama?
He could be talking about that shiny chakra.
I think he is just talking about the will of fire of Ashura.

But Madara told Obito all about Hashirama and their battles, and he even has half a body out of Hashirama's DNA and subsequently some of his chakra. :| He stated that he gave Nagato the Rinnegan which was true from the perspective of Madara whom he was "playing". I wouldn't call lies on this.

No.
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There is no need to bring up Uchiha and Senju then. The Uchiha and Senju are Yin and Yang; Naruto and Sasuke are Yin and Yang, I doubt he'd call Naruto "Senju" if there wasn't some relation. I also doubt Ashura would transmigrate into someone random.

 

[davidou]

Uzumaki well most Naruto is the exception here are known for their Red Hair so unless we see Senju's with this trait then I think we can close this topic right?

The red hair thing , it seems to be a very dominant gene.

I don't know if you thought about it , but I found strange that Mito Uzumaki didn't give her hair color dominance to Tsunade , yellow hairs for Tsunade (senju*uzumaki).
Does that mean that the senju gene is more dominant than the Uzumaki gene for the hairs?

how the hell does Minato's genes took dominance over Kushina's?
How the hell red+something gives yellow hair?
I saw threads talking about the similarities between Tobirama and Minato.
If Minato was a senju , Naruto having yellow hairs would be as shocking as Tsunade having yellow hairs.

 

[Zawerni]

The red hair thing , it seems to be a very dominant gene.

I don't know if you thought about it , but I found strange that Mito Uzumaki didn't give her hair color dominance to Tsunade , yellow hairs for Tsunade (senju*uzumaki).
Does that mean that the senju gene is more dominant than the Uzumaki gene for the hairs?

how the hell does Minato's genes took dominance over Kushina's?
How the hell red+something gives yellow hair?
I saw threads talking about the similarities between Tobirama and Minato.
If Minato was a senju , Naruto having yellow hairs would be as shocking as Tsunade having yellow hairs.

Mito is Tsunade's grandmother

 

[davidou]

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There is no need to bring up Uchiha and Senju then. The Uchiha and Senju are Yin and Yang; Naruto and Sasuke are Yin and Yang, I doubt he'd call Naruto "Senju" if there wasn't some relation. I also doubt Ashura would transmigrate into someone random.

There is a way for Naruto to be a Senju (yang) and a Uzumaki (yang).
Did you see the threads talking about the similarities with Tobirama and Minato?

 

[davidou]

Mito is Tsunade's grandmother

Why do you need to say that?
I thought everybody knew that.

 

[Zawerni]

Why did you find the need to say that?

You wondered why Tsunade didn't get Mito's hair color. Mito is her grandmother. We don't know what hair color Tsunade's parents had.

 

[Torche]

Mito is Tsunade's grandmother

Yet Tsunade doesn't even have a last name... :skorm: Maybe Hashirama's child was adopted, or Tsunade.

There is a way for Naruto to be a Senju (yang) and a Uzumaki (yang).
Did you see the threads talking about the similarities with Tobirama and Minato?

Yeah, but Tobirama would recognise his own sons chakra and something would've been said. :| Did you notice the resemblance between Young Jiraiya, and Young Minato? It doesn't mean anything.

 

[Zawerni]

Yet Tsunade doesn't even have a last name... :skorm: Maybe Hashirama's child was adopted, or Tsunade.


Yeah, but Tobirama would recognise his own sons chakra and something would've been said. :| Did you notice the resemblance between Young Jiraiya, and Young Minato? It doesn't mean anything.

I'd imagine she is Tsunade Senju. It's just never mentioned.

 

[davidou]

You wondered why Tsunade didn't get Mito's hair color. Mito is her grandmother. We don't know what hair color Tsunade's parents had.

, dominance goes for generations.
Even if it's in 2 generations , it's strange that the very dominant red hair color vanished in Tsunade , you don't find it strange , I do.