I feel like Kishi wrote himself into yet ANOTHER wall...

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Its late and I don't want to dig for scans, so Im just going to give you all the outline of what my point here is:

Basically Im left wondering what the hell the logical conclusion to this fight [Naruto vs Sasuke] and this series is going to be. Hear me out on this now, bear with me;

-So Naruto and Sasuke are fighting under two circumstances: the first being that they have differing believes on how to unite the world going forward, and the second being that its their destiny to clash due to Indra and Ashura.

-Indra and Ashura have been passing on the torch to their reincarnations since they started fighting [over power]. Killing the reincarnation doesnt end the cyle, as a new incarnation will be born.

The fact that the cycle hasn't been successfully been broken yet begs the question: how do you break the endless chain of Indra and Ashura fighting? Fighting doesnt solve anything, as the next generation will follow. Words won't solve it, as the two are destined to fight. Even if Naruto and Sasuke BOTH died, the next two would be soon born and all this would start anew.

So whats the logical endgame to this fight? Obviously Talk no Jutsu of some sort on Sasuke. Sasuke will agree on his own terms to end the IT with Naruto, as both parties are needed to do so. If Sasuke is FORCED or is KILLED then this is all meaningless as the chain of fighting continues with Indra's next incarnation. Both Naruto and Sasuke need to make peace with each other completely. THUS the LOGICAL end to this fight and series is just that.

BUT WAIT!

Now we're forgetting about the movie. Naruto The Last, which confirms a few things already due to HORRIBLE marketing timing: It takes place AFTER the war. Naruto survives. IT is undone. Sasuke is yet to be seen. Now, keep in mind, this may be the "conclusion" to Naruto, but it isn't the conclusion to the manga if that makes sense. The manga CANNOT end on a cliffhanger telling it's audience to wait for the movie. The manga will have a CLEAR resolution, and the movie will simply continue the story with a timeskip. THAT BEING SAID it still doesnt change what I said above: Naruto and Sasuke must make peace with each other in order for the chain to be broken. By the looks of the movie so far it seems thats what ends up happening SO WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE MOVIE THEN? By that logic there should be no villain, no struggle, no war, only peace. Unless this movie is JUST LIKE THE OTHERS where its Naruto out on a mission to save a princess or something, ANYTHING REVOLVING AROUND SASUKE OR OTHER VILLAINS TIED TO THE WAR would completely contradict the Indra/Ashura problem.

This is a lot to take in, but if anyone understands my point here, then don't you think that Kishi wrote himself into a wall again by introducing the concept of the reincarnations?
 

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Sorry I couldn't read all this wasn't interesting but I did notice that you said naruto survives as the movie takes place after the war but
Why use a movie to back your conclusion
Movies aren't canon for all we know it could be an alternative timeline kind of like
Gt to dbz you could say
Gt wasn't actually canon it was put as an alternative timeline you never know what kishi will do
 

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Sorry I couldn't read all this wasn't interesting but I did notice that you said naruto survives as the movie takes place after the war but
Why use a movie to back your conclusion
Movies aren't canon for all we know it could be an alternative timeline kind of like
Gt to dbz you could say
Gt wasn't actually canon it was put as an alternative timeline you never know what kishi will do

Sorry ass kishi stated that this new movie is canon.
 

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Sorry I couldn't read all this wasn't interesting but I did notice that you said naruto survives as the movie takes place after the war but
Why use a movie to back your conclusion
Movies aren't canon for all we know it could be an alternative timeline kind of like
Gt to dbz you could say
Gt wasn't actually canon it was put as an alternative timeline you never know what kishi will do

The movie is written by Kishi himself, and has confirmed the movie to be cannon.
 

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into a wall of text....

they will chidori rasengan clash and undo it, sasuke will run away
 

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youre over thinking it
not much stuff has even been revealed about the movie yet
 

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Sasuke dying ends the cycle. He is the last reincarnation and the last Uchiha. Everything ends with him.
 
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Its late and I don't want to dig for scans, so Im just going to give you all the outline of what my point here is:

Basically Im left wondering what the hell the logical conclusion to this fight [Naruto vs Sasuke] and this series is going to be. Hear me out on this now, bear with me;

-So Naruto and Sasuke are fighting under two circumstances: the first being that they have differing believes on how to unite the world going forward, and the second being that its their destiny to clash due to Indra and Ashura.

-Indra and Ashura have been passing on the torch to their reincarnations since they started fighting [over power]. Killing the reincarnation doesnt end the cyle, as a new incarnation will be born.

The fact that the cycle hasn't been successfully been broken yet begs the question: how do you break the endless chain of Indra and Ashura fighting? Fighting doesnt solve anything, as the next generation will follow. Words won't solve it, as the two are destined to fight. Even if Naruto and Sasuke BOTH died, the next two would be soon born and all this would start anew.

So whats the logical endgame to this fight? Obviously Talk no Jutsu of some sort on Sasuke. Sasuke will agree on his own terms to end the IT with Naruto, as both parties are needed to do so. If Sasuke is FORCED or is KILLED then this is all meaningless as the chain of fighting continues with Indra's next incarnation. Both Naruto and Sasuke need to make peace with each other completely. THUS the LOGICAL end to this fight and series is just that.

BUT WAIT!

Now we're forgetting about the movie. Naruto The Last, which confirms a few things already due to HORRIBLE marketing timing: It takes place AFTER the war. Naruto survives. IT is undone. Sasuke is yet to be seen. Now, keep in mind, this may be the "conclusion" to Naruto, but it isn't the conclusion to the manga if that makes sense. The manga CANNOT end on a cliffhanger telling it's audience to wait for the movie. The manga will have a CLEAR resolution, and the movie will simply continue the story with a timeskip. THAT BEING SAID it still doesnt change what I said above: Naruto and Sasuke must make peace with each other in order for the chain to be broken. By the looks of the movie so far it seems thats what ends up happening SO WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE MOVIE THEN? By that logic there should be no villain, no struggle, no war, only peace. Unless this movie is JUST LIKE THE OTHERS where its Naruto out on a mission to save a princess or something, ANYTHING REVOLVING AROUND SASUKE OR OTHER VILLAINS TIED TO THE WAR would completely contradict the Indra/Ashura problem.

This is a lot to take in, but if anyone understands my point here, then don't you think that Kishi wrote himself into a wall again by introducing the concept of the reincarnations?

I am pretty sure that Kishi has not wrote himself into a wall since he probably already has the story panned out until after the war considering the movie.

And there are a hundred ways this could go. Tbh I have not expected anything he has written since we found out Obito was Masked man. I mean he has almost spent more time showing the fans what they wanted to see than trying to make a story. I mean, everything that fans have been asking for ex: Madara, Hashirama, All prvious Hokage. He even revealed the full extent of Shisui's abilities in the video game and the back stories to the akatsuki. We even got to see Kaguya. Which was a stretch but this is shit everybody would have complained about if he didn't touch on it at all.

Ultimately Sasuke will probably loose and either run away and come back later. Because ******
 

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You just don't know the outcome yet. Be patient.
 

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You just don't know the outcome yet. Be patient.

This.

Bad Marketing isnt the issue. Its good marketing for creating these types of questions, thats the point to keep us talking about it. Bad marketing would be if they released sasukes design already if he really is in it.

We need to be patient and let the manga finish first before connecting to the movie.

I do believe in the end itll all make sense and it is possible for it to end in a cliffhanger type situation leading into the movie. It doesnt have to have a full circle complete finish since the movie is also canon
 

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Kishimoto has stated plenty of times he already had the ending of the series planned out since the beginning so yeah....
 

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Well i don't think he wrote himself into a wall, because the story is still progressing.

But i agree that the timing of the new movie was bad, really bad..
 
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