Establishing why Sasuke's characterization and devlopment is greater than Naruto's

[lanakui8]

Pretty much the same reason why most if not all Naruto threads involve power and how "Naruto > Sasuke" so this thread is not all about power, hence if it was about power then you wouldn't be arguing with me now would you?

So you basically admitted that youʻre not trying to be objective at all in this thread, and therefore are trying to counterbash Naruto because other people have made threads that put Naruto above Sasuke via power analysis?

Also, I donʻt even know why you bring up power. A power thread isnʻt based on complete subjectivity, you can analyze what both characters are capable of and base your conclusions on said analysis. You canʻt do the same thing for whoʻs a better character since thatʻs based completely on what your preferences of ʻbetterʻ are. Whoʻs a better character, Naruto or Konohomaru? Subjective, some people might like konohomaru more, some might like naruto more. Whoʻs stronger, Naruto or Konohomaru? Objective, Naruto is stronger than Konohomaru. Get it?

Finally, so what if naruto fans bash sasuke in biased agenda-ridden threads? Does that mean its okay to make biased agenda-ridden threads that bash Naruto in return? Obviously not, 2 wrongs donʻt make a right, itʻs like the manga you bash my char, i bash yours, and we continue bashing forever in an endless cycle. Do what is right. I know Iʻm trying to do that which is why I donʻt start bash threads and try my best to be objective. I also try to shed light on threads that are clearly trying to bash which is why Iʻm posting in your thread.

Analyze NAruto and Sasuke by the SAME STANDARD. When you fail to do that, itʻs just you lieing to yourself and everyone who has motivation to believe said lie.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

So you basically admitted that youʻre not trying to be objective at all in this thread, and therefore are trying to counterbash Naruto because other people have made threads that put Naruto above Sasuke via power analysis?

Also, I donʻt even know why you bring up power. A power thread isnʻt based on complete subjectivity, you can analyze what both characters are capable of and base your conclusions on said analysis. You canʻt do the same thing for whoʻs a better character since thatʻs based completely on what your preferences of ʻbetterʻ are.

Finally, so what if naruto fans bash sasuke in threads? Does that mean its okay to make threads that bash Naruto in return? Obviously not, 2 wrongs donʻt make a right, itʻs like the manga you bash my char, i bash yours, and we continue bashing forever in an endless cycle. Do what is right. I know Iʻm trying to do that which is why I donʻt start bash threads and try my best to be objective. I also try to shed light on threads that are clearly trying to bash which is why Iʻm posting in your thread.

Don't bother, he'll probably insult you and tell you to go fap to Madara pics or something.

 

[Dannie]

That's my point, I enjoy debating, so I argued against your points. Literally, all you do is insult me, when I haven't insulted you once. Any seasoned debater knows that ad-hominem attacks are as good as admitting defeat, "fap to Obito photos" really, that's the best you can do?

You countered nothing and gave me nothing but your own constipated dilemma for not accepting Naruto's flaws in this thread. You called my thread extremely biased when in fact I gave manga scans proving my point, which further proves how deluded you are. As for your weak sensitivity, I really don't care for it, so you can spare me that weak shit. That argument is always used for someone who has nothing left to say, so they result in to being "attacked" when in fact that is the very purpose of being weak.

 

[Dannie]

So you basically admitted that youʻre not trying to be objective at all in this thread, and therefore are trying to counterbash Naruto because other people have made threads that put Naruto above Sasuke via power analysis?

Also, I donʻt even know why you bring up power. A power thread isnʻt based on complete subjectivity, you can analyze what both characters are capable of and base your conclusions on said analysis. You canʻt do the same thing for whoʻs a better character since thatʻs based completely on what your preferences of ʻbetterʻ are. Whoʻs a better character, Naruto or Konohomaru? Subjective, some people might like konohomaru more, some might like naruto more. Whoʻs stronger, Naruto or Konohomaru? Objective, Naruto is stronger than Konohomaru. Get it?

Finally, so what if naruto fans bash sasuke in biased agenda-ridden threads? Does that mean its okay to make biased agenda-ridden threads that bash Naruto in return? Obviously not, 2 wrongs donʻt make a right, itʻs like the manga you bash my char, i bash yours, and we continue bashing forever in an endless cycle. Do what is right. I know Iʻm trying to do that which is why I donʻt start bash threads and try my best to be objective. I also try to shed light on threads that are clearly trying to bash which is why Iʻm posting in your thread.

Analyze NAruto and Sasuke by the SAME STANDARD. When you fail to do that, itʻs just you lieing to yourself and everyone who has motivation to believe said lie.

More like I'm proving a point that Sasuke's development far proceeds Naruto's pathetic development.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

You countered nothing and gave me nothing but your own constipated dilemma for not accepting Naruto's flaws in this thread. You called my thread extremely biased when in fact I gave manga scans proving my point, which further proves how deluded you are. As for your weak sensitivity, I really don't care for it, so you can spare me that weak shit. That argument is always used for someone who has nothing left to say, so they result in to being "attacked" when in fact that is the very purpose of being weak.

It's biased because you exaggerate Naruto's flaws and refuse to acknowledge Sasuke's, and, with some points (like Sasuke being stronger than Narutp at the start of Part 2) you outright ignored facts. And, no, haha, I'm not being sensitive, I was point out that you didn't even bother to counter my arguments, instead you attacked me personally, which told me that you really had no answers to what I said.

 

[Dannie]

It's biased because you exaggerate Naruto's flaws and refuse to acknowledge Sasuke's, and, with some points (like Sasuke being stronger than Narutp at the start of Part 2) you outright ignored facts. And, no, haha, I'm not being sensitive, I was point out that you didn't even bother to counter my arguments, instead you attacked me personally, which told me that you really had no answers to what I said.

Exaggerated his flaws? Lol damn you need to log off

 

[lanakui8]

More like I'm proving a point that Sasuke's development far proceeds Naruto's pathetic development.

....but youʻre literally canʻt prove anything since what defines ʻbetter developmentʻ is completely subjective in the first place.

Also, why do you call narutoʻs development ʻpatheticʻ? That pretty much outs you as someone whoʻs doesnʻt give a crap about being objective or being truthful, it outs you as someone who just has an agenda to make Naruto look bad and do it in any way no matter how dishonest or deceitful you can.

I think the problem with a lot of people on this forum is that they literally donʻt care about the word ʻtruthʻ.

 

[Dannie]

which told me that you really had no answers to what I said.

And yet you can't even counter my original post and have yet to put up a decent argument. Claiming that Naruto should cry for random fodders instead of facing Obito makes your arguments look like shit and I don't need to take it seriously. You had nothing for me to refute and just d ride on other peoples arguments because you have nothing to say.

 

[Dannie]

....but youʻre literally canʻt prove anything since what defines ʻbetter developmentʻ is completely subjective in the first place.

Also, why do you call narutoʻs development ʻpatheticʻ? That pretty much outs you as someone whoʻs doesnʻt give a crap about being objective or being truthful, it outs you as someone who just has an agenda to make Naruto look bad and do it in any way no matter how dishonest or deceitful you can.

I think the problem with a lot of people on this forum is that they literally donʻt care about the word ʻtruthʻ.

Implying that Naruto's constant obsession for Sasuke was positive? If you say yes then you are truly a fool

 

[lanakui8]

Implying that Naruto's constant obsession for Sasuke was positive? If you say yes then you are truly a fool

See thatʻs exactly what Iʻm talking about. You try to deceptively make it seem like Narutoʻs brotherly love for Sasuke and making it one of his life goals to bring Sasuke back to the good side is a bad thing by calling it ʻan obsessionʻ.

And then you call me a fool for having an opinion that differs from yours about a question that has no real answer and is based on completely subjective opinion.

Youʻd be better off trying to convince everyone here that the color Red is ʻbetterʻ than the color Green, and calling people who disagree with you ʻfoolsʻ.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

And yet you can't even counter my original post and have yet to put up a decent argument. Claiming that Naruto should cry for random fodders instead of facing Obito makes your arguments look like shit and I don't need to take it seriously. You had nothing for me to refute and just d ride on other peoples arguments because you have nothing to say.

Whatever, I already argued your original point, as far as I'm concerned, I won, and you're a childish fool.

 

[cmoG]

I cannot argue against this. Mentally and personally, Sasuke has been given better and more opportunities for growth than Naruto and while one may argue that Naruto has always been an outcast, it can be matched by this: It's usually harder for people who are used to a certain paradigm all of their life to deal with the repercussions of it being suddenly taken out of the picture, as towards someone else who never had such paradigms to begin with.

Naruto was always used to being alone, so he came up with ways to cope. A harsh road indeed, but he made it easier for himself. Whereas, Sasuke had such a close-nit family and adored his brother and father. Sasuke was always used to looking up to Itachi as a role model and also willingly trying to live up to his fathers expectations. He also had a very loving mother.

Only then, to witness his idol, his believed role model, kill everyone he knew and loved. Being a kid, Sasuke was not mentally prepared to handle such devastation & thus, it made it harder for him to cope, than Naruto. Most would've ended their lives, but Sasuke made himself one goal & used it as his reason for living and becoming smarter and stronger.

Naruto on the other hand, just wanted to be accepted and around the time we meet Sasuke, Naruto already had a close relationship to that glasses guy and the Ramen man, while Sasuke still had no one, but himself. So, in this, Sasuke has had it a tad more harder than Naruto & it isn't like taking down Itachi would be an easy feat. At Sasuke's level at that time, Itachi probably seemed like a god to him. So, for him to keep his heart to do such a thing is admirable.

Now, Naruto since meeting Team 7 has had it pretty darn easy. All he had to focus on was protecting his friends, growing with Kurama & becoming Hokage, whereas Sasuke finds out that his entire LIFE was a lie. He finds out why Itachi did what he did and the Leaf's involvement of it & I'm sure that he knew that he was only being used by Orochimaru and Obito. Once again, Sasuke was on his own. He did have Naruto, but we have to acknowledge that Naruto just wasn't fit to help Sasuke with his problems.

So, to see Kishi make Sasuke such a conflicted character, not only shows his genius, but that he intentionally chooses Sasuke to be the more developed character. As we speak, this chapter yet again shows the conflict of Sasuke. He still isn't used to having people on his side and he doesn't know who to trust, but how can you blame him? All he is used to is being lied on and used. Nonetheless, Kishi has shown that with a little love (Itachi, Naruto) and with bad examples (Oro, Obito, Madara) that not only can he conquer his demons, but that he doesn't have to do it alone & that the dark path that he once saw as his salvation, may not be as cracked up as he once thought.

 

[KingHashirama]

can't establish what is logically false.

 

[Kamui Sama]

It seems everyone has suddenly become an English major Lol

 

[Minator93]

What is this fail? There's no other character with the exception of Obito as developed as Naruto.

 

[Dannie]

See thatʻs exactly what Iʻm talking about. You try to deceptively make it seem like Narutoʻs brotherly love for Sasuke and making it one of his life goals to bring Sasuke back to the good side is a bad thing by calling it ʻan obsessionʻ.

And then you call me a fool for having an opinion that differs from yours about a question that has no real answer and is based on completely subjective opinion.

Youʻd be better off trying to convince everyone here that the color Red is ʻbetterʻ than the color Green, and calling people who disagree with you ʻfoolsʻ.

There's a difference between having a favorite color and ignoring manga facts and stating that Naruto's drive for Sasuke was positive.

Yes, you are a fool, so I'm wasting my time.

Whatever, I already argued your original point, as far as I'm concerned, I won, and you're a childish fool.

Ah, the other fool who has nothing original to say and actually thinks he's presented something useful.

Yeah, until you can prove to me that giving up your goal of becoming hokage just to die with someone is positive, then sit down.
Until you can prove to me that crying over random ninja when in fact you should be trying to win the war is positive, then sit down
Until you can prove to me that chasing after Some dude that gives zero fcks about you is positive then sit down
Until you can prove that getting teased and letting the Kyubi take over your body is positive, then sit down
Until you can prove Naruto's weak results from the timsekip are positive, then sit down
Until you can prove that acknowledging someone that caused so many problems in your life and even begin to cry for him while forgetting about focusing on Kaguya a positive thing, please sit down.

You have nothing but your flawed excuses for defending situations that are not even worth defending. There are only certain moments in the story where Naruto has received good development and those aren't it.

You won nothing.

 

[Dannie]

What is this fail? There's no other character with the exception of Obito as developed as Naruto.

Don't you have some Naruto fan fics to write? Get lost

 

[lanakui8]

There's a difference between having a favorite color and ignoring manga facts and stating that Naruto's drive for Sasuke was positive.

Yes, you are a fool, so I'm wasting my time.

Yep so this ends up with you making baseless claims like Iʻm ignoring manga facts, calling me a fool, and saying iʻm wasting your time, yet bringing up zero arguments to back up any of that.

When/if you ever have the desire to discuss truth, let me know.

 

[Dannie]

Yep so this ends up with you making baseless claims like Iʻm ignoring manga facts, calling me a fool, and saying iʻm wasting your time, yet bringing up zero arguments to back up any of that.

When/if you ever have the desire to discuss truth, let me know.

And yet you still cant prove how Naruto's retarded behavior for Sasuke is positive. I'm pretty much talking to a brick wall, as like I said before, if you can't prove anything, then don't waste my time with your smart ass little words when in fact you sound like an idiot.

 

[Minator93]

Don't you have some Naruto fan fics to write? Get lost

Lel who the hell are you? I could shit on this thread anytime easily but luckily for you I don't have the time, heck there's so much material available in the Manga that I could shit on all Sasuke fanboys (not true fans) for days but lucky them I don't have any time. Enjoy while you still can.