Establishing why Sasuke's characterization and devlopment is greater than Naruto's

[sheldon156]

Sauce wanting to become Hurrkage is an instant 180 degree turn, it's forced and just plain stupid

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I said this once and I will say it again: Naruto's character is consistent while Sasuke's is erratic.

the previous hokages wanted sasuke to become the leader of konoha .This show how much potential and development Sasuke have acquire ,since the previous hokages were experience in their field(high level of maturity) and know their mistakes

 

[saw2097]

U aren't alone a lot of ppl find linear good it's much easier to follow, but u have to realize that Sasuke is a character who originally believed in a lie so as Sasuke learned more about the truth and the world his own viewpoint changed. Sasuke has always kept the same goal, which is justice for his clan, but if u both with good and evil u will just confuse yourself. Sasuke is pure meaning he is only doing what he thinks should be done whether right by public standard or not

Yes, but its how he went through that change.

His brother who he believed betrayed his village and killed his own family for power had just died, Sasuke gets grabbed by Obito, and then without seeing any proof to back his claims, Sasuke goes from hating his brother to hating the village.

Normally a person wouldn't change that fast, they wouldn't be able to deal with the truth and the guilt of what they had done, and they wouldn't have listened to a guy who ties them up, wears a mask, and tells them that everything they knew was a lie without anything to back it up with.

Sasuke swings way too fast, if it was gradual and took place over time, then I could understand that, but Sasuke changes after every talk with someone new he meets.

 

[To Whatever]

I remember I was mentally begging Kishimoto and praying, thinking of all things holy like unicorns and god, to bring Sasuke back. Naruto's gag-worthy corn-dog speeches were too sappy and sloppy to handle. A man can only endure so much, and I have had enough of Naruto's parrot-in-repeat-mode nonsense.

The only lines I found cheesy was the Ninja alliance justu and his reply to dreams. Everything else wasn't corny imo. They were actually pretty well delivered and not repetitive as you say they were.

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I mean if you weren't entertained by the 4 V 1 fight between Obito & Kakahi, Gai, Naruto & Bee. Then idk what to tell you.

 

[UzumakiWade]

Then you don't know what an obsession is.


Funny, because only Naruto fans are typing this.

Development is development. Choosing to die with someone instead of fulfilling your life long dream has to be the dumbest negative development ever. Crying for fodders in a war when you should be standing firm like a ninja and facing the enemy at hand, and yet Naruto is supposed to be the power weapon for this war? Lol what a joke. The only reason why you are arguing with me is because you can't prove that what I said is wrong.

If you believe that you can make a thread to hype of NARUTO'S DEVELOPMENT then go ahead. I doubt it will be better than Sasuke.

Why would i be debating and arguing if i can't prove it wrong? Lol

Either way it is all just opinions, if i create a thread proving Naruto's development trump Sasuke then the Sasuke fanboys will just say its "my opinion".

But its basically the same here, no matter how many manga scans you pull out. Claiming that your fav character is more developed than another persons fav is solely based on opinion. Unless the owner of the manga knocked on your door one day and said "Hey! Did you know that Sasuke is more developed than Naruto?". Your opinion of Sasuke being more developed will always be an opinion and not everyone on NB is gonna agree with it.

 

[shelke]

The only lines I found cheesy was the Ninja alliance justu and his reply to dreams. Everything else wasn't corny imo. They were actually pretty well delivered and not repetitive as you say they were.


I mean if you weren't entertained by the 4 V 1 fight between Obito & Kakahi, Gai, Naruto & Bee. Then idk what to tell you.

I won't fail, I would save everyone, our hopes and dreams etc etc. Come on, man. You can like Naruto, adore him, but you cannot deny that the guy is not well-versed. He just cannot think of anything new to say.

 

[Nagi]

Yes, but its how he went through that change.

His brother who he believed betrayed his village and killed his own family for power had just died, Sasuke gets grabbed by Obito, and then without seeing any proof to back his claims, Sasuke goes from hating his brother to hating the village.

Normally a person wouldn't change that fast, they wouldn't be able to deal with the truth and the guilt of what they had done, and they wouldn't have listened to a guy who ties them up, wears a mask, and tells them that everything they knew was a lie without anything to back it up with.

Sasuke swings way too fast, if it was gradual and took place over time, then I could understand that, but Sasuke changes after every talk with someone new he meets.

If naruto was a normal person, he would've left the village or destroy half of it already. Matter of fact if he was more normal, he would've investigate what obito told him about Itachi. He would've go out of out his way and question the elders of the hidden leaf village, but he didn't. so fall back.

 

[ANiMUS]

Yes, but its how he went through that change.

His brother who he believed betrayed his village and killed his own family for power had just died, Sasuke gets grabbed by Obito, and then without seeing any proof to back his claims, Sasuke goes from hating his brother to hating the village.

Normally a person wouldn't change that fast, they wouldn't be able to deal with the truth and the guilt of what they had done, and they wouldn't have listened to a guy who ties them up, wears a mask, and tells them that everything they knew was a lie without anything to back it up with.

Sasuke swings way too fast, if it was gradual and took place over time, then I could understand that, but Sasuke changes after every talk with someone new he meets.

Actually, no Sasuke before going through with trying to kill Danzo asked Danzo himself whether what Obito said was true and he did the same with Itachi and Hiruzen. Sasuke didn't just trust Obito.......in fact he never did and even made it a point to tell Obito that he wasn't his ally. Not only that even in Part One Sasuke saw that his brother was crying after the massacre, but forced himself not to believe it until Obito told him the truth.

Sasuke changing so quickly just means that he isn't really changing as a person, the only thing that is changing is his view of things. He is taking the same approach no matter the problem and that is what his problem has been through the war.

 

[Dannie]

Sauce wanting to become Hurrkage is an instant 180 degree turn, it's forced and just plain stupid

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I said this once and I will say it again: Naruto's character is consistent while Sasuke's is erratic.

Consistent?

Implying that Naruto didn't give up his dream of wanting the Hokage spot just to die with Sasuke? At least Sasuke is still trying to justify his clan.

Oh but wait, what was Naruto saying

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Something about wanting to become Hokage, only after Sasuke announced that he would.
Yeah, talk about consistency. If you want to argue for Naruto's consistency then you should argue how he constantly wets his pants when Sasuke is mentioned.

 

[To Whatever]

I won't fail, I would save everyone, our hopes and dreams etc etc. Come on, man. You can like Naruto, adore him, but you cannot deny that the guy is not well-versed. He just cannot think of anything new to say.

Naruto's strength isn't in how well versed he is. It's his emotions he put into it and his ability to hit home to whoever he's directing his words towards. (TNJ)

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He only repeats his nindo and dream when villains ask him over and over again or repeat shit.

You can't fault him for it since Naruto is stubborn as ****.

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[saw2097]

If naruto was a normal person, he would've left the village or destroy half of it already. Matter of fact if he was more normal, he would've investigate what obito told him about Itachi. He would've go out of out his way and question the elders of the hidden leaf village, but he didn't. so fall back.

Where would he have gone exactly?

Naruto didn't have anywhere else to go, as the Jinchuriki they would have never allowed him to leave.

And why should Naruto question Obito, he didn't believe him at first, its just what fit with Sasuke's actions, he spoke to Sasuke about it later.

Actually, no Sasuke before going through with trying to kill Danzo asked Danzo himself whether what Obito said was true and he did the same with Itachi and Hiruzen. Sasuke didn't just trust Obito.......in fact he never did and even made it a point to tell Obito that he wasn't his ally. Not only that even in Part One Sasuke saw that his brother was crying after the massacre, but forced himself not to believe it until Obito told him the truth.

Sasuke changing so quickly just means that he isn't really changing as a person, the only thing that is changing is his view of things. He is taking the same approach no matter the problem and that is what his problem has been through the war.

He tried to help Akatsuki capture the 8 tails before questioning Danzo (he helped Akatsuki so they would help him destroy the village), he also invaded the Five Kage Summit as well, and after the 8 tailed incident he went towards Konoha, with the intention to destroy it.

Yeah he didn't trust Obito, all the more reason why him listening to Obito like that despite him not producing a shred of proof all the more annoying to me.

He knew what kind of person Obito was, a manipulator.

 

[shelke]

Naruto's strength isn't in how well versed he is. It's his emotions he put into it and his ability to hit home to whoever he's directing his words towards. (TNJ)

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He only repeats his nindo and dream when villains ask him over and over again or repeat shit.

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What am I reading here that's any different? Let me ask you something sincerely, and I ma putting aside my usual mocking stance - don't you ever get tired of making him repeat the same thing with little alteration over and over and over again?

 

[Nagi]

Where would he have gone exactly?

Naruto didn't have anywhere else to go, as the Jinchuriki they would have never allowed him to leave.

And why should Naruto question Obito, he didn't believe him, he spoke to Sasuke about it later.

1. He should be fine traveling by himself. Everybody that ran away from home find a place out there for a bit.
2. He shouldn't bound himself to a village that refused to treat him with respect at first, he should've ran off instead of trying to get attention.
3. Im not saying questioning Obito, im saying talk to the elders of the village to see if everything is true. If it is true, He should be questioning why would a village treat a clan like that.

Nagato told him what happen to his village, Naruto yet to talk to the 5th hokage or anybody else about it to see if it true or try to change anything. He just kept it to himself, talking about he gonna endure it all and carry everybody's problems on his shoulder.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Kishi tried very hard to make Sasuke relevant post-Hebi since when the latter died he lost major plot significance, so what did Kishi do? Make Tobi recruit him and mold him as this antithesis of Naruto in the war only to end up neglecting all of that after Tobi's unmasking, the antithesis of Naruto became Obito, Kishi then tried to parallel him to Izuna to make him a meaningful dynamic to Madara but in truth they barely had any interaction or meaningful significance to Maddy whose true contrast and bond is with Hashirama's

 

[ANiMUS]

Where would he have gone exactly?

Naruto didn't have anywhere else to go, as the Jinchuriki they would have never allowed him to leave.

And why should Naruto question Obito, he didn't believe him at first, its just what fit with Sasuke's actions, he spoke to Sasuke about it later.



He tried to help Akatsuki capture the 8 tails before questioning Danzo, he also invaded the Five Kage Summit as well, and after the 8 tailed incident he went towards Konoha, with the intention to destroy it.

In all honesty I still can't see how Sasuke was so arrogant as to think that he could destroy Konoha with Taka alone, but even then Sasuke would have just targeted the Elders first and then asked them the same thing he did Danzo and once they confirmed it he would have tried to destroy Konoha. As for the Hachibi Sasuke was just trying to use Akatsuki to get strength to take down Konoha. Sasuke believed Obito because what Obito said harmonized with his former image of his brother as well as the memories that sasuke himself repressed, but even then as I said before trying to exact revenge Sasuke asked whether it was true first.

 

[Nagi]

In all honesty I still can't see how Sasuke was so arrogant as to think that he could destroy Konoha with Taka alone, but even then Sasuke would have just targeted the Elders first and then asked them the same thing he did Danzo and once they confirmed it he would have tried to destroy Konoha. As for the Hachibi Sasuke was just trying to use Akatsuki to get strength to take down Konoha. Sasuke believed Obito because what Obito said harmonized with his former image of his brother as well as the memories that sasuke himself repressed, but even then as I said before trying to exact revenge Sasuke asked whether it was true first.

kirin that village like 1 or 2 times, then walk off into the sunset.

 

[saw2097]

1. He should be fine traveling by himself. Everybody that ran away from home find a place out there for a bit.
2. He shouldn't bound himself to a village that refused to treat him with respect at first, he should've ran off instead of trying to get attention.
3. Im not saying questioning Obito, im saying talk to the elders of the village to see if everything is true. If it is true, He should be questioning why would a village treat a clan like that.

Nagato told him what happen to his village, Naruto yet to talk to the 5th hokage or anybody else about it to see if it true or try to change anything. He just kept it to himself, talking about he gonna endure it all and carry everybody's problems on his shoulder.

He was a child, and that village is located in the middle of the wilderness.

And again where would he have run away too, gone into the wilderness and stayed there until he died from starvation?

And the village wouldn't have allowed him to run away, Hiruzen was keeping an eye on him, Naruto tried to leave, Hiruzen would have dragged him right back.

 

[To Whatever]

What am I reading here that's any different? Let me ask you something sincerely, and I ma putting aside my usual mocking stance - don't you ever get tired of making him repeat the same thing with little alteration over and over and over again?

Are you referring to the bottom spoilers or the top spoilers? The top ones were to show you that Naruto can be well versed, charismatic, and convincing, all while having his words being able to hit home. And that his words aren't always in repetition.

The second spoilers were to show you that he only repeats his nindo/dreams. When villains repeat it.

I get tired of Naruto repeating his nindo etc. Just like how I get tired of Spider-man quoting his uncle. But when Naruto/Peter Parker does say it and it they deliver it in ways like these:

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I can handle him repeating it each and every time.

Sasuke repeats how he's an avenger all the time with little alteraton but I can handle him repeating ti each and every time because of how well delivered it is. But I grow tired of him repeating that too sometimes, as i'm sure you do as well.​

 

[ANiMUS]

Kishi tried very hard to make Sasuke relevant post-Hebi since when the latter died he lost major plot significance, so what did Kishi do? Make Tobi recruit him and mold him as this antithesis of Naruto in the war only to end up neglecting all of that after Tobi's unmasking, the antithesis of Naruto became Obito, Kishi then tried to parallel him to Izuna to make him a meaningful dynamic to Madara but in truth they barely had any interaction or meaningful significance to Maddy whose true contrast and bond is with Hashirama's

That pissed me off. Sasuke was paralleled to Madara since part one, and he even gave Sasuke a countermeasure against Madara just to have it be pointless in the end. Just like Kaguya's purpose :vincent:
Still Sasuke being Naruto's antithesis was always Kishi's endgame since the valley of the end, but it sucks because it seems even that will be nerfed

 

[Nagi]

He was a child, and that village is located in the middle of the wilderness.

And again where would he have run away too, gone into the wilderness and stayed there until he died from starvation?

And the village wouldn't have allowed him to run away, Hiruzen was keeping an eye on him, Naruto tried to leave, Hiruzen would have dragged him right back.

Understandable. It would've painted a better character development for him instead of having him running around the village stealing shit or whatever.

Your thoughts on number 3?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

That pissed me off. Sasuke was paralleled to Madara since part one, and he even gave Sasuke a countermeasure against Madara just to have it be pointless in the end. Just like Kaguya's purpose :vincent:
Still Sasuke being Naruto's antithesis was always Kishi's endgame since the valley of the end, but it sucks because it seems even that will be nerfed

Indeed, what a waste of plot potential.