To whoever thinks that Base Sasuke's chakra=base Naruto's

[Ageha Jaeger]

It seems you made a thread about chakra but you don't even understand how shadow clones work. Fail thread.

You seem to be the one who doesn't understand. Being able to distribute your chakra evenly among that many shadow clones is precisely why it is a matter of abundance.

 

[Da Best Ever]

What in the world are you talking about?

Sasuke vs transformed Gaara = Sasuke needs the cursed seal and still ends up losing.
Base Naruto vs a more powerful transformed Gaara = Naruto destroys Gaara and forces him to use his full bijuu transformation.

Base Naruto vs 2 tomoe sharingan sasuke at the rooftop = Sasuke would have been defeated if their chidori and rasengan clashed.

Base Naruto vs 2 tomoe Sasuke at VoTe = Sasuke needs to use the cursed seal in order to win, else his chidori would just get countered by rasengan and he'd end up losing in the long run.

Base Naruto/3 tomoe Sasuke vs Juubi lings: Sasuke needs his sword to fight them off, naruto needs his legs to fight them off.

And then there's the feats, Sasuke would get decimated by feats as he's no longer got his massive speed advantage that he had over naruto in part 2 and base naruto has continued to improve while Sasuke's improvements have all been mostly with his sharingan jutsu.

Fail because at that time naruto got help from the kyuubi.


That was a clash of 1 jutsu not an actual battle because it was clear sasuke was better at that time and naruto couldn't even hit him.

Again naruto was empowered by the kyuubi so it was not base naruto.


This isn't even a right analysis since sasuke has been using the sword in all of his fights since beginning of shippudden so its not that he needed the sword its he wanted to use it.


Base sasuke's speed is of the highest level in base among all shinobi while naruto has no base speed feats up until being empowered by the sage and attacking godara, sasuke has base speed feats all through shippuden.

 

[Genjin]

You mean twice as much reserves as a guy whose own reserves are tiny? It says right there on the scan.

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I love the fact how you don't understand that Kakashi literally stated that BOTH of them have uncomparable chakra, and yet, I am twisting manga scans?


Stomps Sasuke? That's bull shit, and you know it. Where is your proof to back this up? Don't try to make stuff up just because it suits you. If you don't have any scan, whatever you say is self-made.

You mean the guy who is not even a sensor assuming that Naruto's chakra is only twice of what he has? durrr durrr

 

[Dantee]

I didn't say he had 100% perfect chakra control, but it's obviously better than good as he is an elite Jounin.



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When they go poof in 1 hit it's because the clone lacks stamina to sustain itself. Which is basically what I'm saying making alot of clones don't mean anything when enough chakra isn't even in them.

You mean the guy who is not even a sensor assuming that Naruto's chakra is only twice of what he has? durrr durrr

No the guy who has the sharigan that can see chakra and has known Naruto for quite some time?

 

[lanakui8]

Base sasuke is way faster than base naruto who has no speed feats in base aside from after his rikudo power up. Base sasuke has way more battle experience and more jutsu while naruto in base can make weak clones and rasengans and sasuke is way smarter than naruto.

base naruto kept up with deva path in taijutsu, the same path that scored a hit on kakashi. Base Naruto w/ the help of a clone matched Sasuke's speed when they clashed their chidori and rasengan, base naruto's shunshin was fast enough to grab sakura before Sasuke could stab her with the poisoned kunai.

I also don't understand where you got the idea that naruto's base clones are weak. Sure they get popped by a single hit and sasuke can hit a lot of them, but he's not going to destroy an army of them without using a big technique like kirin and now that naruto's base clones not only can use rasengan, but oodama and even chou oodama rasengan, sasuke can't afford to even BLOCK a hit from them, he's going to have to take them all on by simply dodging.

madara was impressed by a mere base clone of naruto's.

As far as Sasuke having better battle smarts than naruto, when was that ever implied?

 

[shelke]

you failed to realize that kakashi compared their chakra to sakura, not to each other. Kakashi never said that naruto and sasuke have chakra as much as each other. They both might have much more chkara than sakura, but gap between naruto and sakura is bigger than the gap between sasuke and sakura

the chakra is evenly divided. It still takes alot of chakra to use that many shadow clones. Dividing chakra so many times speaks of its volume

Do you see any Sakura comparison within that statement alone? He said that both of them have large reserves. So how did you and the rest reach to a conclusion that Sasuke's are so much smaller? Is there even a single manga scan to back this up?

Flase. No where in the manga is it stated that Naruto's base reserves are larger. Literally no where. When the manga has made it a point to state that Sasuke is an Indra's reincarnation, belongs from the Uchiha Clan that have naturally high reserves

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- It's Indra that inherited large reserves. Sasuke is Indra's reincarnation.

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- Chapter 398, Page 18.

 

[Genjin]

Fail because at that time naruto got help from the kyuubi.


That was a clash of 1 jutsu not an actual battle because it was clear sasuke was better at that time and naruto couldn't even hit him.

Again naruto was empowered by the kyuubi so it was not base naruto.


This isn't even a right analysis since sasuke has been using the sword in all of his fights since beginning of shippudden so its not that he needed the sword its he wanted to use it.


Base sasuke's speed is of the highest level in base among all shinobi while naruto has no base speed feats up until being empowered by the sage and attacking godara, sasuke has base speed feats all through shippuden.

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[shelke]

You mean the guy who is not even a sensor assuming that Naruto's chakra is only twice of what he has? durrr durrr

That's the author's statement. Who should I consider valid. You, or the manga? I think we all know who is more valid. Didn't Kakashi have Sharingan last I checked?

 

[Mad Daz]

That's the author's statement. Who should I consider valid. You, or the manga? I think we all know who is more valid. Didn't Kakashi have Sharingan last I checked?

So every statement made in the manga is from the authors perspective and not the character he is portraying?

 

[Torche]

When they go poof in 1 hit it's because the clone lacks stamina to sustain itself. Which is basically what I'm saying making alot of clones don't mean anything when enough chakra isn't even in them.

I don't think Kage Bunshin have ever been very durable, as far as I can recall.

 

[Da Best Ever]

False, when he used it against Deidara the first time, he knew he had it. What a pointless thing to say. So he knew what he had without using it even once? Lol This guy ...

Fail to understand my post.


I didn't say that was the first time he knew he had it I said it was the first time he used it which is manga fact. He hinted at having ms back when itachi put the crow in naruto and kakashi realized itachi was getting tired from overuse of his ms and itachi said to kakashi did you...?


First time using a jutsu means the skill level you are using that jutsu is at its lowest level seeing how just the next arc over he went from using it once and uncontrollably to using it twice and controlling its direction and aim and even the next arc he was warping susano arrows which are high speeds and the next arc he was doing it at least 5 times and much more accuracy and precision and timing and warping smaller targets and larger targets..... why? Because of the experience he acquired through all those arcs of using kamui which basically act as training.

 

[Troyg39]

You mean twice as much reserves as a guy whose own reserves are tiny? It says right there on the scan.

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I love the fact how you don't understand that Kakashi literally stated that BOTH of them have uncomparable chakra, and yet, I am twisting manga scans?


That's bull shit, ans you know it. Where is your proof to back this up? Don't try to make stuff up just because it suits you. If you don't have any scan, whatever you say is self-made.

1 @bold: If they have an "uncomparible" amount of chakra, that means it can not be compared, which means they aren't equal. So even IF you were right and Kakashi was comparing Naruto and Sasuke, then he had to be saying one of them had lesser reserves than the other. Reading comprehension my friend

2. Kakashi was comparing Sakura's reserves to the reserves of both Naruto and Sasuke. Sakura shamed them both in chakra control, but Kakashi was stating it doesn't matter since they both ultimately have more chakra than she does. In no way were his words stating Sasuke and Naruto have similar chakra control.

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Notice Kakashi says that he isn't suitable to train with clones because his reserve limit makes it harder for him to hold up his clones for very long. What is relevant about this?

1. It tells us that using Multi-shadow clone is more than simply dividing your chakra, you also need to use chakra to maintain the jutsu, thus bigger reserves=better multi-shadow clone jutsu

2. It also tells us that Naruto is the only one that Kakashi knows of who can use this training method since those were also his exact words. And if Naruto is the only one capable of doing this, that means he is the only one with the reserves for it that Kakashi knows of.

 

[lanakui8]

Fail because at that time naruto got help from the kyuubi.

nope, naruto had no help from the kyuubi until he summoned bunta and that's after Gaara transformed into shukaku. Before that, it was all base naruto's own chakras. Then there's the fact that this is not even base sasuke we are comparing base naruto to, it's cursed sealed 2 tomoe sharingan sasuke. So you've just conceded this point.

That was a clash of 1 jutsu not an actual battle because it was clear sasuke was better at that time and naruto couldn't even hit him.

In no way shape or form did that battle show Sasuke was better than Naruto, the opposite was drilled into the audience's heads when Kishi made Sasuke get all mad and throw a hissy fit when he saw how much more powerful rasengan was than his chidori. And again, this is not even base sasuke that naruto is superior to, it's 2 tomoe sharingan sasuke.

Again naruto was empowered by the kyuubi so it was not base naruto.

nope, Naruto was only empowered by the kyuubi after Sasuke impaled him with the cursed seal chidori. Before that it was all base naruto. and for the third time, this isn't even base sasuke, this is 2 tomoe sharingan sasuke + the cursed seal.

This isn't even a right analysis since sasuke has been using the sword in all of his fights since beginning of shippudden so its not that he needed the sword its he wanted to use it.

That's completely irrelevant. It doesn't matter if sasuke was using his sword or wasn't, the fact is that unarmed Naruto is fighting off the juubilings just as well as sasuke does.

Base sasuke's speed is of the highest level in base among all shinobi while naruto has no base speed feats up until being empowered by the sage and attacking godara, sasuke has base speed feats all through shippuden.

What's base sasuke's best speed feat? Failing to blitz deidara? How in the world does that translate to base Sasuke's speed being a big factor against someone who can spar with deva path while in a weakened state? How does that mean anything when naruto's shunshin is so fast, he can save sakura from sasuke's kunai swing? How does that mean anything when Naruto 200 chapters ago has been shown to match sasuke's speed when he uses a shadow clone?

Answer: it doesn't. Sasuke's base shunshin speed is not impressive anymore, at the start of part 2 it was however there are now tons of faster shinobi out there.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

What in the world are you talking about?

Sasuke vs transformed Gaara = Sasuke needs the cursed seal and still ends up losing.
Base Naruto vs a more powerful transformed Gaara = Naruto destroys Gaara and forces him to use his full bijuu transformation.

Base Naruto vs 2 tomoe sharingan sasuke at the rooftop = Sasuke would have been defeated if their chidori and rasengan clashed.

Base Naruto vs 2 tomoe Sasuke at VoTe = Sasuke needs to use the cursed seal in order to win, else his chidori would just get countered by rasengan and he'd end up losing in the long run.

Base Naruto/3 tomoe Sasuke vs Juubi lings: Sasuke needs his sword to fight them off, naruto needs his legs to fight them off.

And then there's the feats, Sasuke would get decimated by feats as he's no longer got his massive speed advantage that he had over naruto in part 2 and base naruto has continued to improve while Sasuke's improvements have all been mostly with his sharingan jutsu.

Sasuke kicked Gaara's ass in the Chunin Exam staduim.He used High Speed Taijutsu Multiple times,the Chidori,and he received damage - then he chased Gaara for like an hour while Gaara took a nap from the ass whooping he recieved,then when he woke up he went Bijuu and started acting like he's Boss.

Sasuke wasn't at 100 percent.

Naruto received the Kyuubi power in his fight against Gaara,and he got Gamabunta's help.On the Rooftop,Sasuke kicked multiple SC ass and annihilated many of them with a single Fire Style attack. The Rasengan and Chidori would have equal.Or at the very least Naruto's Rasengan was stronger than Sasuke's Chidori - the Techniques,not the users.

Base Sasuke completely beats base Naruto - Naruto can't keep up with Sasuke's High Speed Taijutsu.Shadow Clones easily got handled and Rasengan = Chidori.

Valley of the End base mode fighting would go to Sasuke.Sasuke didn't need the CM against Base Naruto,he used it cause he just got it and was testing it out.Sasuke was kicking Naruto's ass while using Sharingan and having the CM off while Naruto had the Kyuubi's power active (Initial stage = Kyuubi eyes).He only had to use the CM Stage 2 once Naruto went 1 Tails


"Sasuke would get decimated by feats as he's no longer got his massive speed advantage that he had over naruto in part 2"

Are you still talking about base mode? In the begining of Part 2 Sasuke instantly got to Naruto in a blink of an eye.Naruto had no time to react.

 

[Genjin]

Do you see any Sakura comparison within that statement alone? He said that both of them have large reserves. So how did you and the rest reach to a conclusion that Sasuke's are so much smaller? Is there even a single manga scan to back this up?

Flase. No where in the manga is it stated that Naruto's base reserves are larger. Literally no where. When the manga has made it a point to state that Sasuke is an Indra's reincarnation, belongs from the Uchiha Clan that have naturally high reserves

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- It's Indra that inherited large reserves. Sasuke is Indra's reincarnation.

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- Chapter 398, Page 18.

Where in that page stated that he inherited large reserves of chakra? Fcking comprehension skills.

He stated strongest not largest you dimwit.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Do you see any Sakura comparison within that statement alone? He said that both of them have large reserves. So how did you and the rest reach to a conclusion that Sasuke's are so much smaller? Is there even a single manga scan to back this up?

Flase. No where in the manga is it stated that Naruto's base reserves are larger. Literally no where. When the manga has made it a point to state that Sasuke is an Indra's reincarnation, belongs from the Uchiha Clan that have naturally high reserves

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- It's Indra that inherited large reserves. Sasuke is Indra's reincarnation.

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- Chapter 398, Page 18.

He was comparing them to sakura. He never said that they have equally large chakra. you're twisting the words that he said just because they both have bigger reserves than sakura, that means they have the same chakra level.

naruto's been wanked all over the manga for his reserves. His clone feats suggest that he has bigger chakra than sasuke. Sasuke in part one was tired after a while, all when naruto was using clones. Also uchiha's been praised for their quality, not quantity. that's why hashirama was the one with more chakra than madara, but with lesser quality.

 

[Da Best Ever]

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How can you ask for a scan when you haven't showed one yourself to back your own claims. #Hippocracy

 

[V h o]

lol next I'll be hearing sasuke has sage mode.

 

[bencoby]

Sasuke mastery of his jutsu is the reason they require less.

NO!, Its because of the strength and precision of his chackra, that's why he require less. Also most of his jutsus are not chackra consuming unlike Naruto.

 

[Torche]

lol next I'll be hearing sasuke has sage mode.

He does in a way. CS is like Sage Mode, and Juugo's cells (Origin of CS) in his body made Senjutsu PS. He's probably capable of drawing in Senjutsu chakra with experience. :|