Brothers...? (Kabuto + Sasuke) take a gauntlet

[Zee U]

The dragon and the hawk take a gauntlet, together in their quests.

Location: Amegakure
Mindset: Kabuto fights to save his fellow orphans and his step mother, Sasuke fights to resurrect his clan
Conditions: This is EMS Sasuke and SM Kabuto (the latter starts in the mode in every fight). EMS Sasuke has a PS slightly stronger than Madara and with the capability to fly, Kabuto has all of Orochimaru/Sound 5's feats. They are healed and fully restored (includes resurrection) after each fight. No Edo Tensei. In every fight including Edos they have sealing tags.

• Pain Arc Team Kakashi: SM Naruto, Sakura, MS Kakashi, Hebi Sasuke
• Konoha team: War Arc Kakashi + War Arc Gai (no Eighth Gate) + Tsunade
• Iwa team: Onoki + Deidara + Muu
• Kumo team: Ei + Killer Bee + Third Raikage
• The Gokage
• Stop Nagato team: Edo Itachi + Killer Bee + KCM Naruto
• Our Eyes team: Edo Nagato (fully restored) + Edo Itachi
• Edo Madara
• BSM Naruto
• SM Hashirama

 

[LuckyMan]

They stop at 2. Kakashi snipes Sasuke and kills him and Kabuto is beaten down bad.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

[*]Pain Arc Team Kakashi: SM Naruto, Sakura, MS Kakashi, Hebi Sasuke

Sasuke solos as they have nothing against a flying Susanoo

[*]Konoha team: War Arc Kakashi + War Arc Gai (no Eighth Gate) + Tsunade

Sasuke solos as they have nothing against a flying Susanoo

[*]Iwa team: Onoki + Deidara + Muu

Sasuke solos as they have nothing against a flying Susanoo

[*]Kumo team: Ei + Killer Bee + Third Raikage

Sasuke solos as they have nothing against a flying Susanoo

[*]The Gokage

Sasuke solos as they have nothing against a flying Susanoo

[*]Stop Nagato team: Edo Itachi + Killer Bee + KCM Naruto

Sasuke solos as they have nothing against a flying Susanoo

[*]Our Eyes team: Edo Nagato (fully restored) + Edo Itachi

Sasuke solos as they have nothing against a flying Susanoo

[*]Edo Madara

Sasuke solos

[*]BSM Naruto

Sasuke solos

[*]SM Hashirama

Sasuke solos

 

[AizenSosuke]

They stop at 2. Kakashi snipes Sasuke and kills him and Kabuto is beaten down bad.

You're overestimating Kamui.

 

[LuckyMan]

You're overestimating Kamui.

Until I see a legit way Sasuke escapes being Kamui sniped by Kakashi it still stands. He has no counters to it. This is a fanfic Sasuke anyway because EMS has no PS but he still falls to Kamui, a lot of people do, its just broken.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Until I see a legit way Sasuke escapes being Kamui sniped by Kakashi it still stands. He has no counters to it. This is a fanfic Sasuke anyway because EMS has no PS but he still falls to Kamui, a lot of people do, its just broken.

No its just you as of other overrating it, and dont know how Kamui works

Misconception 2: Kamui is instant in every range.

In all the cases of Kamui warping instantly, they were all very close to Kakashi. Note: I will use even unskilled Kamui Kakashi to prove my point too.

Lets look at all the long range use scenario.[

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. Techically 2 pages compare to long range 5 pages. Lets look at more experience Kakashi via Pain arc. [

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. All of these evidence shows that close range shot of Kamui's line of sight is slower then long range shots, therefore it isn't instant in ever range. Even if Kakashi were to make a larger warp range, that would mean it will take longer to consume the opponent, shown against Deidara. [

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In the end these one shot "instant" jutsu have its cons

 

[AizenSosuke]

The dragon and the hawk take a gauntlet, together in their quests.

Location: Amegakure
Mindset: Kabuto fights to save his fellow orphans and his step mother, Sasuke fights to resurrect his clan
Conditions: This is EMS Sasuke and SM Kabuto (the latter starts in the mode in every fight). EMS Sasuke has a PS slightly stronger than Madara and with the capability to fly, Kabuto has all of Orochimaru/Sound 5's feats. They are healed and fully restored (includes resurrection) after each fight. No Edo Tensei. In every fight including Edos they have sealing tags.

• Pain Arc Team Kakashi: SM Naruto, Sakura, MS Kakashi, Hebi Sasuke
  Sasuke and Kabuto win comfortably. No need to explain.
• Konoha team: War Arc Kakashi + War Arc Gai (no Eighth Gate) + Tsunade
  S&K. Flying PS w/enton and sound genjutsu gg.
• Iwa team: Onoki + Deidara + Muu
  S&K. Flying PS w/enton and sound genjutsu gg.
• Kumo team: Ei + Killer Bee + Third Raikage
  .S&K. Flying PS w/enton and sound genjutsu gg.
• The Gokage
  S&K. Flying PS w/enton and sound genjutsu gg.
• Stop Nagato team: Edo Itachi + Killer Bee + KCM Naruto
  The duo still wins tho they will have great diff.
• Our Eyes team: Edo Nagato (fully restored) + Edo Itachi
  Sasuke and Kabuto.
• Edo Madara
  S&K
• BSM Naruto
  S&K
• SM Hashirama
  Hashi wins high diff. Only because S&K don't have enough firepower to destroy SS.

So yeah S&K almost clears.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Hashi wins high diff. Only because S&K don't have enough firepower to destroy SS.

? PS shockwaves is firepower to chop down Mokuton

 

[LuckyMan]

No its just you as of other overrating it, and dont know how Kamui works

I never said it was instant. Instant means no time passes and its clearly not instant because in every panel it has to warps its target, which takes time. It is however fast enough that he snipes Sasuke and he dies. The burden of proof is on you to explain why Sasuke does not get Kamui sniped because the evidence points to that he does.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I never said it was instant. Instant means no time passes and its clearly not instant because in every panel it has to warps its target, which takes time. It is however fast enough that he snipes Sasuke and he dies. The burden of proof is on you to explain why Sasuke does not get Kamui sniped because the evidence points to that he does.

Susanoo acts as a shield in front. We know what happen when the line of sight view it that way[

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[LuckyMan]

Susanoo acts as a shield in front. We know what happen when the line of sight view it that way[

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], this only creating a gap/hole of Susanoo

Except Kakashi can still see Sasuke in Susanoo, unlike these panels you linked. He forms the barrier around Sasuke inside the Susanoo and warps him. It can warp things with depth like it did Deidara's explosion and that is evidence enough that Sasuke still gets sniped.

 

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They clear.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Except Kakashi can still see Sasuke in Susanoo, unlike these panels you linked. He forms the barrier around Sasuke inside the Susanoo and warps him. It can warp things with depth like it did Deidara's explosion and that is evidence enough that Sasuke still gets sniped.

Except Susanoo will be too far to warp accurately and moving alot.

 

[LuckyMan]

Except Susanoo will be too far to warp accurately and moving alot.

Except Sasuke does not start in Susanoo and Kakashi can snipe him faster than he can activate Susanoo.

Sayonara!

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[Brother Numpsay]

Except Sasuke does not start in Susanoo and Kakashi can snipe him faster than he can activate Susanoo.

Sayonara!

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Lol good argument because Kakashi starts off with Kamui. /sarcasm

Yea you can go

 

[LuckyMan]

Lol good argument because Kakashi starts off with Kamui. /sarcasm

Yea you can go

Kakashi Kamui's whatever he thinks is too dangerous and when he sees Susanoo he snipes Sasuke, because he knows how dangerous it is. Don't be upset with me, blame Kishi for making Kamui such a broken technique!

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[Inert Brian]

They clear.

Sasuke alone can solo up to BSM Naruto.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Kakashi Kamui's whatever he thinks is too dangerous and when he sees Susanoo he snipes Sasuke, because he knows how dangerous it is. Don't be upset with me, blame Kishi for making Kamui such a broken technique!

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And what about Sasuke? The manga intel absolutely counters this jutsu effortlessly.

PS swipes him before he thinks he can reach him with Kamui in time[

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I dont need to blame anyone or be upset with anything as either Kabuto or Sasuke can solo this match up.

 

[Blunt]

With these conditions, Sasuke can potentially clear this himself, he would probably need help with Edo Madara and BSM Naruto, Hashirama isn't taking a user who has a flying Susano'o.

All in all, Sasuke has a chance of clearing the gauntlet by himself, Adding Kabuto makes it a definite win.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol Sasuke soloing this gauntlet is a bad joke. BSM Naruto, Hashirama, and Edo Madara all beat him. He'd stop at Naruto even with help from Kabuto.