Lol obito did what Hagaromo did and y'all get mad

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

He did have some of the Sages powers.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

So Obito is a demi god then?And no it's not the same thing as what Hagoromo did,Obito did'nt appear in Kakashi's mind like with what happened with Sasuke/Naruto,instead he literally teleported out of the afterlife.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

He did have some of the Sages powers.

Which he lost after the Shinju was removed from him.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

Which he lost after the Shinju was removed from him.

No.

He took some chakra from Madz remember?

He had the Staff way after that.
And im willing to bet he still had some of that chakra left in him when he died.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

No.

He took some chakra from Madz remember?

He had the Staff way after that.
And im willing to bet he still had some of that chakra left in him when he died.

Considering Obito did'nt have the staff after Madara took back his eye,it's possible the chakra Obito stole was absorbed by the latter.He could'nt use the Goudama afterwards either.

 

[Troyg39]

Look I'll break it down for you. I still haven't fully accepted the chapter, not because I'm mad, but because I'm excited to hear the full explanation. I read a little deeper into this chapter than others did, and I think Kishi was trying to hint at a "big picture" moment about his concept of chakra and will soon begin to bring it full circle.

Basically, when first Madara then Hagoromo said "chakra is meant to connect people", I was wondering what was so special about being connected through chakra? It doesn't seem to connect anything really.

And then Obito said last chapter that "our chakras have the power to connect both worlds". This made me really intrigued about how chakra can transcend life and death for anyone, not just Hagoromo. In a sense, Obito did the same thing Hagoromo did, but there are some differences that cause problems at the moment.

Hagoromo still had his remnants of his chakra lingering in the pure world, both in Ashura and Indra's transmigrants and when Madara mixed both chakras to bring out Hagoromo (which in fact is the only time we saw Hagoromo actually enter the pure world the same way Obito did)

A lot of people thought Kakashi must've had some of Obito's chakra still on him but he didn't. It it's possible that Obito's ashes could've still had chakra on it but we don't know for sure and it's unlikely to me. So if Obito didn't have any remnants of chakra in the pure world remaining yet was allowed to come back, it means he just managed to Kamui himself back. Plain and simple. And I can accept this. Kamui has the ability to cross dimensions, so it's not a problem.

I do, however, have questions. If everyone who dies can still use their powers, say if Kaguya gets killed, can she just return with her dimensional travel too without having remnants of chakra around? I know the goal is to seal her not kill her, but I'm just posing that hypothetically. What if Obito was still evil? Is this why Kishi didn't kill him off before turning him good again? Had Obito still been bad, could he have still just come back whenever he wanted even in death?

And let's say Minato wasn't sealed in the death god but died normally. If "our chakras connect both worlds", could he still use FTG if he has remnants of his chakra still in the pure world? I'm not mad, and I can't speak for everyone else, I just think that there's a lot more interesting factors to consider from this chapter that's all.

I think if people are mad they shouldn't be, however there's nothing wrong with wanting to know more. Too many of you are just accepting this because you think it makes you more knowledgeable if you just simply go along with whatever happens without thinking about it. You tell yourselves, "Kishi wrote it so I'm going with it and that will always make me right". I'm not saying argue with Kishi, but these are CHAPTERS. It's not the end result in it's own and I'm sure we'll all learn more about this in due time so in the meantime it's ok to let your mind wonder it's healthy

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

Considering Obito did'nt have the staff after Madara took back his eye,it's possible the chakra Obito stole was absorbed by the latter.He could'nt use the Goudama afterwards either.

We dont know that for sure, and I dont think he zero'd him out.

Obito has been through several Sage + Jubi + Beasts transformations. If Gaara (1 Tail Jin) still has the power after losing its bijuu, I dont see how Obito cant "Pseudo Jin + Jubi Jin, + having Hashi "transmigrant chakra and the shell of jubi inside him at one point, + rinnegan" some of these has bound to have left a trace in him

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

We dont know that for sure, and I dont think he zero'd him out.

Obito has been through several Sage + Jubi + Beasts transformations. If Gaara (1 Tail Jin) still has the power after losing its bijuu, I dont see how Obito cant "Pseudo Jin + Jubi Jin, + having Hashi "transmigrant chakra and the shell of jubi inside him at one point, + rinnegan" some of these has bound to have left a trace in him

You have a point,but I still can't believe Obito literally pulled a Goku though.Death in Naruto is starting to get to the same levels of cheapness as DBZ if people can come back from the dead thanks to their chakra alone.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

You have a point,but I still can't believe Obito literally pulled a Goku though.Death in Naruto is starting to get to the same levels of cheapness as DBZ if people can come back from the dead thanks to their chakra alone.

Yeah to tell you honest, the manga hasnt been the same ever since Nagato brought back all those people.
been getting worse and worse

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Yeah to tell you honest, the manga hasnt been the same ever since Nagato brought back all those people.
been getting worse and worse

Agreed,that was the starting point of everyone being immune to death(except Neji of course).Atleast there was a sacrifice that Nagato had to give in order to bring back the people he killed.

Now?Apparently all you need is chakra to come back from the dead.I'm still annoyed that despite being through a war almost none of the important characters died.Not even the best war strategists get that lucky.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

Agreed,that was the starting point of everyone being immune to death(except Neji of course).Atleast there was a sacrifice that Nagato had to give in order to bring back the people he killed.

Now?Apparently all you need is chakra to come back from the dead.I'm still annoyed that despite being through a war almost none of the important characters died.Not even the best war strategists get that lucky.

If a revival happened Once at the end of the manga, that may have been ok, but youre right Kishi spams it like everything else. No imagination I guess?

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

If a revival happened Once at the end of the manga, that may have been ok, but youre right Kishi spams it like everything else. No imagination I guess?

I think he's just afraid of killing characters off.Throughout 100+ chapters the only two non fodder characters that died so far are Neji and Obito,the latter had what's possibly the longest state of near death in any manga.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

I think he's just afraid of killing characters off.Throughout 100+ chapters the only two non fodder characters that died so far are Neji and Obito,the latter had what's possibly the longest state of near death in any manga.

True dat. But Im certain Neji will be revived.

 

[SuperChief]

There's a precedent for spirits doing weird shit. There's no precedent for instant highest level of Susanoo. That's what pissing people off, and rightly so.

 

[AshuraIsNaruto]

Doesnt that say it all? 'Obito did what Hagoromo did' Who is Obito sorry? Is he a GOd like the sage? What gives him the right to emulate the sage this botch should have been deadddd long ago he has no right to be jistified alongside the sage of 6 paths. The sage created the moon ffs

 

[ministerC4]

There's a precedent for spirits doing weird shit. There's no precedent for instant highest level of Susanoo. That's what pissing people off, and rightly so.

And so?
Naruto/Sasuke just got handed down chakra from the Sage of 6 paths, and somehow instantly knew all of their new justu, and exactly how they work(Yes exactly)

Your telling me Naruto/Sasuke instantly learned how to apply the sage's chakra to their justu?
And instantly learned exactly how to perform these justu, wdf?

Remember when naruto was trying to master a TBB in BM?
Yeah, exactly that, the chakra was so different he couldn't figure it out/

Remember when he was trying to learn FRS yeah, just that.
Remember when Naruto was trying to apply his element(wind style) to a rasengan?

I do, stop using this as your excuse.
It's very invalid as Sasuke/Naruto's case is way more drastic if we're talking about this.

And don't say he didn't even have the requirements, Sage chakra went into Naruto/Sasuke and boosted them to gain some of the Sage's traits.
All of Obito's chakra went into Kakashi, then you try to deny that Kakashi gains Obito's traits as an Uchiha.


The chakra that createas the sharingan lingers in Obito's chakra, as the chakra that lingers in so6p created the rennigan.
How did Sasuke get rennigan, oh right, CHAKRA from the SAGE.

 

[Demonic.]

It was stupid. Obito fans know it was stupid. But Kakashi with Susano is cool I'll admit. Reminds you of the old days when Kakashi was the strongest.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Which he lost after the Shinju was removed from him.

As did Hagoromo when he split the juubi and sealed the Gedo mazo.

 

[General Lex]

And so?
Naruto/Sasuke just got handed down chakra from the Sage of 6 paths, and somehow instantly knew all of their new justu, and exactly how they work(Yes exactly)

Your telling me Naruto/Sasuke instantly learned how to apply the sage's chakra to their justu?
And instantly learned exactly how to perform these justu, wdf?

Remember when naruto was trying to master a TBB in BM?
Yeah, exactly that, the chakra was so different he couldn't figure it out/

Remember when he was trying to learn FRS yeah, just that.
Remember when Naruto was trying to apply his element(wind style) to a rasengan?

I do, stop using this as your excuse.
It's very invalid as Sasuke/Naruto's case is way more drastic if we're talking about this.

And don't say he didn't even have the requirements, Sage chakra went into Naruto/Sasuke and boosted them to gain some of the Sage's traits.
All of Obito's chakra went into Kakashi, then you try to deny that Kakashi gains Obito's traits as an Uchiha.


The chakra that createas the sharingan lingers in Obito's chakra, as the chakra that lingers in so6p created the rennigan.
How did Sasuke get rennigan, oh right, CHAKRA from the SAGE.

I agree with this person. Some people are being very hypocritical. I bet had Kakashi played as large role as Naruto and Sasuke did and story has been intertwined as much as theirs were, no one would have bat an eye saying it is bs. The fact of the matter is Kishi simply recycled old concepts and portrayed them in different ways. The only problem I have with what happened was the unoriginality of it. PS to me is ok and all but it's getting kind of boring and over used. I would rather Kishi to keep Kakashi a simple combination of of both his original powers and obitos.

 

[General Lex]

As did Hagoromo when he split the juubi and sealed the Gedo mazo.

Lol good one.