Hashirama and Edo Minato vs Juubito

[warlee]

nothing in their arsenal is putting down juubito permanently and minato going into cqc alone without tobirama is suicide.

 

[TRE MERCER]

How are they going to put him down?

 

[KidGamer65]

Yea those exact ones that manhandle Gate God and makes Mokuton look fragile in comparasion. SS punches broke on inpacted from Sussano and you think it will make a differnce when God Gate couldnt put a dent on him

Myojinmon being destroyed isn't evidence that Shinsuusenju gets destroyed. RJ already posted a scan of two Kurama Avatars slapping away the chakra arms. 50% Kurama is nowhere near as physically powerful as Shinsuusenju, so it does the same. P

1. They were destroyed by PS Kurama's attack, not by hitting Susanoo, how you came to that ridiculous conclusion amazes me.

2. Shinsuusenju>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Myojinmon when it comes to offensive power, so the bolded isn't an argument.

You are either wanking Myojinmon, or you are underrating Shinsuusenju.

nothing in their arsenal is putting down juubito permanently and minato going into cqc alone without tobirama is suicide.

Why would he have to go into CQC? He has clones and a Bijuu Avatar.

How are they going to put him down?

Minato gets him into a position where Hashirama can land an attack enhanced with Senjutsu. SM Rasengan put a hole in his back, if any of Hashirama's big jutsu land a hit while he's using Sage Mode, its GG Obito. He isn't immortal.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Myojinmon being destroyed isn't evidence that Shinsuusenju gets destroyed. RJ already posted a scan of two Kurama Avatars slapping away the chakra arms. 50% Kurama is nowhere near as physically powerful as Shinsuusenju, so{ it does the same. P

1. They were destroyed by PS Kurama's attack, not by hitting Susanoo, how you came to that ridiculous conclusion amazes me.

2. Shinsuusenju>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Myojinmon when it comes to offensive power, so the bolded isn't an argument.

You are either wanking Myojinmon, or you are underrating Shinsuusenju.

What makez SS phyically more powerful then Kurama? Second stating its percentage of power is are irrelevant since Perfect Jins are superioer n everyway.

1. No PS werent landing hits on every single SS arm, the ones that succeed on landing a punch, without touching TBB, fist also falls off from the impact.

2. There isnt much difference with strength and durability other then one focus on offence and one doesnt.

Trust me hashi is the last person i would wank and underate.

 

[genii96]

Juubito smashed a barrier made by four hokages which was durable enough to withstand a juubidama. Juubito mid diff

 

[KidGamer65]

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What makez SS phyically more powerful then Kurama? Second stating its percentage of power is are irrelevant since Perfect Jins are superioer n everyway.

How about lifting Kurama with one hand? Lmao. When you can get me a feat of any Bijuu doing so, then we can talk.

1. No PS werent landing hits on every single SS arm, the ones that succeed on landing a punch, without touching TBB, fist also falls off from the impact.

Um, yes, they were. Bijuu Dama ran into the fists and exploded, all while SS was pounding PS.

2. There isnt much difference with strength and durability other then one focus on offence and one doesnt.

Based on what? Your opinion. Myojinmon has shown nothing that leads me to believe its as durable as Shinsuusenju. Not like I care anyway. Obito's chakra arms aren't doing to SS what it couldn't do to 2 50% Kurama Avatars.

 

[Unorthodox]

team Hokage wins

 

[Brother Numpsay]

How about lifting Kurama with one hand? Lmao. When you can get me a feat of any Bijuu doing so, then we can talk.

-First of all yes I can show a Buijuu lifting up a another Buijuu[

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], thats easy.

-Second, that doesn't prove SS being physical stronger, in fact thats not even a good example. What SS did was an expected Strength feat. This is as much as I expect you to pick up your own cat/puppies with one arm, by comparison to them.

- What really is a good feat is picking up something that weights more then you. Hachibi was shown to lift up a Buiju Dama the size of Juubi itself. And we already know the Buijuu are dense and heavy to begin with[

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]. This is what you call a good strength feat. (Expecting a nitpick here)

Um, yes, they were. Bijuu Dama ran into the fists and exploded, all while SS was pounding PS.

The debris doesnt expose the fist impact, but it is clear that the fist do not retrieve back and start pounding again.

Based on what? Your opinion. Myojinmon has shown nothing that leads me to believe its as durable as Shinsuusenju. Not like I care anyway. Obito's chakra arms aren't doing to SS what it couldn't do to 2 50% Kurama Avatars.

Ok we can't prove each other wrong with durability, but I also have reason to believe any Mokuton jutsu hasn't shown any durability over the other.

Kurama's chakra arms are much different then Mokuton arms. So I do not care with this ABC logic

 

[Kagustuchi]

Juubito takes it.​

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[KidGamer65]

-First of all yes I can show a Buijuu lifting up a another Buijuu[

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], thats easy.

Uh, no. Good try though. Shinsuusenju, with one of its hundreds of arms, lifted up Full Kurama, who is already much bigger than Hachibi. Son Goku lifted a smaller, lighter Bijuu with both of its hands. Not a comparable strength feat.

-Second, that doesn't prove SS being physical stronger, in fact thats not even a good example. What SS did was an expected Strength feat. This is as much as I expect you to pick up your own cat/puppies with one arm, by comparison to them.

Yes, it does. It lifted something heavier than any Bijuu has ever done in this manga, with ease. That is a strength feat. You claiming its expected doesn't change the fact its stronger than 50% Kurama...nor do I care about anything irrelevant to my point.

- What really is a good feat is picking up something that weights more then you. Hachibi was shown to lift up a Buiju Dama the size of Juubi itself. And we already know the Buijuu are dense and heavy to begin with[

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]. This is what you call a good strength feat. (Expecting a nitpick here)

What you should be expecting is me to read the manga to you, since you aren't doing it yourself. Hachibi didn't lift anything. It curled up to block the Bijuu Dama. Nothing was lifted. Not a strength feat of any kind. Not to mention a second after it touched him, Minato warped it away.

lmao. It seems you are the one who needs to learn what a strength feat is.

The debris doesnt expose the fist impact, but it is clear that the fist do not retrieve back and start pounding again.

So? Doesn't mean that they weren't destroyed by Madara's attack, as the manga showed. Them breaking on contact with PS is pure nonsense.

Ok we can't prove each other wrong with durability, but I also have reason to believe any Mokuton jutsu hasn't shown any durability over the other.

lmao. Hobi took a Bijuu Dama. Mokuryu was obliterated by it. There is clearly a difference in durability between the different Mokuton constructs.

Kurama's chakra arms are much different then Mokuton arms. So I do not care with this ABC logic

When you can prove that it'd have any effect on strength that would prevent it from being compared to Shinsuusenju, in strength, then you can talk. Until then, you are merely nitpicking, something I don't care for.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

umm do they have knowldge like to go in sm ????

also jubbito has enough speed and evade or block anything hashi throws at him....

minato while important in this matchup will get hurt if he goes near jubito ... and he cant regen

question does ur version of jubbito have his black orb stuff if so he can take tht team high diff debatably mid

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Uh, no. Good try though. Shinsuusenju, with one of its hundreds of arms, lifted up Full Kurama, who is already much bigger than Hachibi. Son Goku lifted a smaller, lighter Bijuu with both of its hands. Not a comparable strength feat.

Um no we are going to have another scaling argument, which I not doing again. It is clear Kurama is around Bunta when shown slamming him to the ground. Second my point still stands as you expect SS to pick up something much less then its size.

Yes, it does. It lifted something heavier than any Bijuu has ever done in this manga, with ease. That is a strength feat. You claiming its expected doesn't change the fact its stronger than 50% Kurama...nor do I care about anything irrelevant to my point.

Wrong again, Bunta had enough weight to pin down Kurama's weight. Your going to have to use something much better then your claim of picking up Kurama, to determine SS is superior in physical strength.

What you should be expecting is me to read the manga to you, since you aren't doing it yourself. Hachibi didn't lift anything. It curled up to block the Bijuu Dama. Nothing was lifted. Not a strength feat of any kind. Not to mention a second after it touched him, Minato warped it away.

lmao. It seems you are the one who needs to learn what a strength feat is.

I am fully aware of the situation, that doesn't change to what the first plan was shown in the manga, until interrupted by Minato. Even then it wasn't shown to be a second after (just making up your own time to prove your point), otherwise there wouldn't be chakra dust on Hachibi if it was a second. The Manga made it clear what their goal was, to slow down the ball, and have Hachibi change its trajectory. That is clear.

So? Doesn't mean that they weren't destroyed by Madara's attack, as the manga showed. Them breaking on contact with PS is pure nonsense.

Except the debris of the impact showed barks around it. Nothing here is non sense, just another SS wank.

lmao. Hobi took a Bijuu Dama. Mokuryu was obliterated by it. There is clearly a difference in durability between the different Mokuton constructs.

Once again with the Mokuton Wank, every single Mokuton was destroyed by impact, if Hobi did any significant tank, the broken trees around the scnerio has the same feats as Hobi. And even the ground, which TBB should be making craters of.

When you can prove that it'd have any effect on strength that would prevent it from being compared to Shinsuusenju, in strength, then you can talk. Until then, you are merely nitpicking, something I don't care for.

That thing is this discussion is already at a agree to disagree with conclusion. You can't prove that each Mokuton has different durability. While I can't prove SS is no different then any other Mokuton other than reasoning.

jubbito have his black orb stuff if so he can take tht team high diff debatably mid

Thats another thing, an imcoming Mokuton punches easily get dismantle by Black Orb weapon combos following by the Chakra arms finishing it off by ripping it down by its power grip

 

[KidGamer65]

Um no we are going to have another scaling argument, which I not doing again. It is clear Kurama is around Bunta when shown slamming him to the ground. Second my point still stands as you expect SS to pick up something much less then its size.

There is no argument, just you denying more manga fact. Bunta was never shown to be around Kurama's size, it slammed itself on his neck and upper body. If it was its size it would have covered its whole body. 50% Kurama is shown to be the same size as the other Bijuu. Full Kurama is shown to be bigger. Do the math, its not that hard.

Bold is irrelevant. It still shows that SS is physically stronger than Kurama.

Wrong again, Bunta had enough weight to pin down Kurama's weight. Your going to have to use something much better then your claim of picking up Kurama, to determine SS is superior in physical strength.

Weight isn't strength. Not even sure where that ridiculous correlation came from. Bunta being able to pin Kurama down only means that Bunta was too heavy for it to shake off. (Which is wrong, as it would have gotten free had Minato not warped it away) Not that Bunta was strong enough to hold it down.

This doesn't correlate to strength at all.

When you can get me a strength feat from Kurama that leads me to believe its physically stronger than Shinsuusenju, then we can talk. Until then, stop with all these nonsensical arguments. Its getting pretty sad.

I am fully aware of the situation, that doesn't change to what the first plan was shown in the manga, until interrupted by Minato. Even then it wasn't shown to be a second after (just making up your own time to prove your point), otherwise there wouldn't be chakra dust on Hachibi if it was a second. The Manga made it clear what their goal was, to slow down the ball, and have Hachibi change its trajectory. That is clear.

Hachibi's goal was to block the ball, not to change its trajectory. That's why it curled up, that's its defensive stance. Manga made nothing clear, just you rewriting as you go along since your argument makes no type of sense.

Dust doesn't mean it wasn't warped away a second after it touched him, because that dust COMES FROM IT TOUCHING HIM. Which it did. Nor is the time relevant to prove my point. Hachibi didn't lift that ball in anyway nor did he attempt to do so. I guess when its not on paper, you start making stuff up. Not surprising.

Except the debris of the impact showed barks around it. Nothing here is non sense, just another SS wank.

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No, its just you denying manga fact as usual.

Once again with the Mokuton Wank, every single Mokuton was destroyed by impact, if Hobi did any significant tank, the broken trees around the scnerio has the same feats as Hobi. And even the ground, which TBB should be making craters of.

There is no wank here, just you crying about me wanking..probably because your arguments are starting to look like garbage.

What the hell are you talking about? There are no trees

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of the blast. The imaginary trees weren't.


@underlined: No Bijuu Dama has ever made a significant crater on the ground. The brunt of the explosion is all above ground, only the bottom parts touch the ground. Fire a Bijuu Dama at the ground, and a crater will be made.

Even if I used this idiotic logic in the underlined..I'd have to equate Perfect Susanoo's durability to the ground...lmao. Quit now before you start spouting more BS.

That thing is this discussion is already at a agree to disagree with conclusion. You can't prove that each Mokuton has different durability. While I can't prove SS is no different then any other Mokuton other than reasoning.

Already have. Not to mention I've asked you to prove why the Chakra Arms would be so different from the Mokuton Arms, and I see no reply. Concession accepted on that part. There is no reason why they wouldn't be comparable besides your nitpicking because of the lack of a logical argument.

 

[Voidstep]

yeah, I also think team SM wins... more often than not

 

[Benjamin King]

Juubito low diff.

It broke the God Gates that were holding something the size of Juubi with relative ease. The Chakra arms were tearing off the barrier that withstood Juubi's Bijuu Dama. That feat tops anything those Hokage can offer. We also have Hashirama stating he is nothing compared to Juubito. Nothing to discuss here.​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

There is no argument, just you denying more manga fact. Bunta was never shown to be around Kurama's size, it slammed itself on his neck and upper body. If it was its size it would have covered its whole body. 50% Kurama is shown to be the same size as the other Bijuu. Full Kurama is shown to be bigger. Do the math, its not that hard.

Bold is irrelevant. It still shows that SS is physically stronger than Kurama.

First of all he did not slammed his neck and only his lower body. Second of all, you are completely exaggerating on Kurama's lower body to try to prove a useless point of Kurama being bigger then Bunta, when Kurama's upper body is as long as his lower body too. Third, Bunta's arms already shown to grip around Kurama's, matching each other hand size. So yes Kurama is bigger then Bunta, duh, but Bunta still rival in its compatiblity, where you are showing he isn't. Its your own math problem you having trouble with.

No it doesn't as much as I expect you to pick up your puppy. Kurama, and the tail beast on the other hand, are super natural monster not only have firepower but physical prowess that can make them pick up their own weight.

Weight isn't strength. Not even sure where that ridiculous correlation came from. Bunta being able to pin Kurama down only means that Bunta was too heavy for it to shake off. (Which is wrong, as it would have gotten free had Minato not warped it away) Not that Bunta was strong enough to hold it down.

This doesn't correlate to strength at all.

Do you even lift, brah? How else do you exercise, and get stronger? By lifting up your limit as much as possible, correct?

You weren't understand my premise to begin with. I was not showing that Kurama is physically superior then SS, but to prove you have no evidence to put both each other strength feats in comparison by superiority.

When you can get me a strength feat from Kurama that leads me to believe its physically stronger than Shinsuusenju, then we can talk. Until then, stop with all these nonsensical arguments. Its getting pretty sad.

That was not my point. Where I was going with this is to prove that none of them is physically stronger then each other. In fact equal, if I may say, since Hashirama felt the need to use SS to compete with Kurama.

Hachibi's goal was to block the ball, not to change its trajectory. That's why it curled up, that's its defensive stance. Manga made nothing clear, just you rewriting as you go along since your argument makes no type of sense.

Thats completely stupid comprehension , you can't block the ball, it was planning on exploding. Second, their plan was clear[

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] by shifting its route. Third, I am not circling for you, but he was using all his limbs to do the best he can, even his arms[

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Dust doesn't mean it wasn't warped away a second after it touched him, because that dust COMES FROM IT TOUCHING HIM. Which it did. Nor is the time relevant to prove my point. Hachibi didn't lift that ball in anyway nor did he attempt to do so. I guess when its not on paper, you start making stuff up. Not surprising.

Same as above.

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No, its just you denying manga fact as usual.

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What the hell are you talking about? There are no trees

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. Even if they were, Hashirama was at the

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of the blast. The imaginary trees weren't.

1. There are no trees? Then change it up before I can proof it? Not only was it easy for my to circle it for you, I will attack your second point, since that is basically showing a concession of trees not being presented.

2. Then you are arguing because the scenario showed him in the middle of the blast w/ Dragon and Golem, that he tanked it while Dragon and Golem was obliterated? But later shown to be on the ground covering himself later to fully tank the blast?

3. Here are your "imaginary" trees that was there since the beginning of the fight.

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Some striped from its roots and some stayed during the explosion aftermath.

@underlined: No Bijuu Dama has ever made a significant crater on the ground. The brunt of the explosion is all above ground, only the bottom parts touch the ground. Fire a Bijuu Dama at the ground, and a crater will be made.

Ironic on who was on the ground, sheltering himself with Hobi. Point.

Even if I used this idiotic logic in the underlined..I'd have to equate Perfect Susanoo's durability to the ground...lmao. Quit now before you start spouting more BS.

Didnt get my point, I was showing to where the explosion's focus was, and it wasn't even on the ground.

Already have. Not to mention I've asked you to prove why the Chakra Arms would be so different from the Mokuton Arms, and I see no reply. Concession accepted on that part. There is no reason why they wouldn't be comparable besides your nitpicking because of the lack of a logical argument.

You didn't prove nothing. I already concluded that Kurama=SS strength, my point was for you to prove what makes SS superior. Since PS was stated to rival Buijuu and SS was used to fight on par, I am only calculating SS strength to Buijuu's and not any stronger. The difference between Kurama's arm and SS is one is made with more flexibility while the other isn't via SS (and the fact the manga showed this combo was supported with FTG so isn't simple for Kurama to just easily push it away). One is made out of dense chakra (chakra vs chakra) while the other is breakable as much as wood. This is where the agree to disagree is at: Where I believe God Gates construction isn't any different in Mokuton (considering the way it was broken down in the manga), SS coming into contact with Chakra arms, just needs to get a good grip in order to shatter it as much as shown to God Gates. W/ spacing he can accomplish this, following by Black Orbs to slash away any contact with punches[

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]. Pounding Juubito with SS punches isn't as much different to me when God Gates pound dropped on him, to pin him down also.

 

[RustledJimmies]

I don't wanna get involved in you guys' debate, but SS = Kurama in strength ? What ? SS lifted Kurama with one hand, even if they were equal in strength (which they obviously aren't), Kurama still slapped the chakra arms, there's no reason why SS wouldn't be able to do the same.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I don't wanna get involved in you guys' debate, but SS = Kurama in strength ? What ? SS lifted Kurama with one hand, even if they were equal in strength (which they obviously aren't), Kurama still slapped the chakra arms, there's no reason why SS wouldn't be able to do the same.

Again using something that is less weight then you isn't an impressive feat to conclude that you are physically superior.

Kurama had FTG to support his way through, meaning Juuito had to react to instant for him to do the best he can. So the scenario doesn't even equal.

 

[Benjamin King]

I don't wanna get involved in you guys' debate, but SS = Kurama in strength ? What ? SS lifted Kurama with one hand, even if they were equal in strength (which they obviously aren't), Kurama still slapped the chakra arms, there's no reason why SS wouldn't be able to do the same.

Shinsuusenju is much bigger than Kurama. That is why it lifted. Not because of its strength; but its size. Obito's Chakra arms broke the God Gates that were holding the Juubi.​

 

[RustledJimmies]

Again using something that is less weight then you isn't an impressive feat to conclude that you are physically superior.

Kurama had FTG to support his way through, meaning Juuito had to react to instant for him to do the best he can. So the scenario doesn't even equal.

Lol ? Ants can carry objects that are 10-50 times their weight, does it mean that an ant is stronger than you are ?

FTG teleportation is instant, the striking speed itself isn't, Juubito used the chakra arms when they used Rasengan and they slapped the arms when it touched them.