Sasuke has really Grown and Matured as character

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But if they are destined to fight in the end, wouldn't it be because Sasuke will once again be in the wrong?
I never said Sasuke was perfect, even if he's wrong that doesn't change his growth and maturity as a character, and Naruto isn't always right either, that's just his interpretation on peace
 

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ok i get it what did you say. But dont forget its not in reality when someone took revenge from his brother .. Even after he knew the truth of uchiha that they tried to coup detat and danzo ordered to kill them ..

He took revenge by killing danzo but why still he dont come back to konoha when his friends call him back ...

Why he tried to kill kakashi and sakura ?

Now he can see the true face of uchiha's .. Madara and obito revived ten tails then why his goal is same to not save his comrades..

Just look at his brother's life , he knew the truth of his village but he know that village have dark and light sides. he know the importance of village

Naruto face hatred too ..His mother was made jinchurikii for nine tails by the orders of konoha and naruto knew this ..So it means he should attack konoha? ...

Everyone in the village ignore him ..But he conquer his hatred that's why he didnt take revenge from nagato if you know that..
That's the reason nagato started to change and he saved konoha...

Sasuke still dont know anything ..Itachi's words that a person who acknowledge by the people can become kage/hokage

But sasuke is still wrong he perceived kage as a person who become a kage then people will acknowledge him..

His way is too unrealistic and that wont possible in reality..

Naruto's way is realistic because he learned from past experiences of his comrades like kakashi's , minato's and itachi's life..
He knew what he should do but sasuke's mind is still unclear and he dont know what he should do

He is wrong all the times

Ok, let me take this one piece at a time. Sasuke saw Itachi's sacrifice as something forced upon Itachi so the entire village would benefit. In otherwords Sasuke saw that Konoha simply used the Uchiha and then when the Uchiha tried to get a back bone and take back some of their authority the village pressured Itachi by exploiting his trauma of war. Everyone from the village benefited from the suffering of the Uchiha so to Sasuke all the ppl that benefited should be punished. That includes Danzo, Kakashi, Sakura, and everyone else from Konoha. And even though I hate to say it Sakura nearly getting killed was her own fault both times.

Actually, if I am not mistakened Naruto didn't know who his mother was until he was grown up. At that point he was happy just to have parents. Naruto went through a lot when he was a child, but there were ppl like Iruka and Kakashi who he could open up to and get attached to. Sasuke kept all of his emotions inside and let it fester and that's y it affected him so much. Not only that Sasuke even had his clan's murderer come back and taunt over his weakness.

Yes, Sasuke's current goal is extremely unrealistic and there are definitely somethings missing in his logic, but remember it was Naruto who got the what makes a hokage speech, not Sasuke
 
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lol its similar to how when Naruto see's Darkness in someone, and he likes to change their way of thinking, i just hate to see stupid comments with no logic
yeah, the comments are just stupid kids doing what? Acting like Kids.
just ignore them and there logic.
 

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I never said Sasuke was perfect, even if he's wrong that doesn't change his growth and maturity as a character, and Naruto isn't always right either, that's just his interpretation on peace

Wisdom comes with maturity, meaning making the right choices, if Sasuke will be in the wrong again when he fights Naruto, wouldn't that be a regression to immaturity?
 

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Idk what you mean by negative, you know you can explain a little
Both him and Naruto have matured in the opposite ways. Naruto, who will do his best to turn his enemies into friends or show them the light so to speak will never kill anybody. Sasuke on the other hand will resort to killing in no time flat and treat others like trash in the process. Not only because he kills, but also because he doesn't take other peoples thoughts or views into consideration and thinks that he's the boss of everybody.
 

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Wisdom comes with maturity, meaning making the right choices, if Sasuke will be in the wrong again when he fights Naruto, wouldn't that be a regression to immaturity?

Any mature person can do something immature, but that doesn't take away the fact that the person has grown to the point he can make mature or immature decision
 

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Wisdom comes with maturity, meaning making the right choices, if Sasuke will be in the wrong again when he fights Naruto, wouldn't that be a regression to immaturity?

Compare his current self with him at the Kage Summit and you can't tell me he isn't more mature. We can be mature and wrong, but what shows maturity is that when we r wrong we r willing to admit our mistakes.
 

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Both him and Naruto have matured in the opposite ways. Naruto, who will do his best to turn his enemies into friends or show them the light so to speak will never kill anybody. Sasuke on the other hand will resort to killing in no time flat and treat others like trash in the process. Not only because he kills, but also because he doesn't take other peoples thoughts or views into consideration and thinks that he's the boss of everybody.
I agree to everything, except the "Boss" part, but that still doesn't make him a bad character, he's playing his role, he's been from good to bad to good and etc, but he has reason's for it, which kishi has explained, Uchiha insanity,curse mark, even being indra's reincarnation, and right now he's basically like how kid kakashi was, all about the mission
 

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Wisdom comes with maturity, meaning making the right choices, if Sasuke will be in the wrong again when he fights Naruto, wouldn't that be a regression to immaturity?
Naruto isn't necessarily right though, its just like itachi said,
"People live under false assumption and go by what they believe is right" its all about interpretation of peace, what madara and obito were doing, was that necessarily bad?, its all about interpretation, that's not regression to his character in the slightest
 

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Compare his current self with him at the Kage Summit and you can't tell me he isn't more mature. We can be mature and wrong, but what shows maturity is that when we r wrong we r willing to admit our mistakes.

So he will give his mea culpas to Naruto when they fight and he is defeated, admitting Naruto is morally superior to himself? that he is wrong and Naruto is right?

In the end, for Sasuke's maturity to come full circle, he must admit that Naruto is the better man.
 

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So he will give his mea culpas to Naruto when they fight and he is defeated, admitting Naruto is morally superior to himself? that he is wrong and Naruto is right?

In the end, for Sasuke's maturity to come full circle, he must admit that Naruto is the better man.

IMO, Sasuke and Naruto will fight as equals over convictions to becoming Hokage, Naruto will win and Sasuke will know that the better man won. Naruto will later say that he can't do it alone and Sasuke will support Naruto during his reign and they will both revolutionize the shinobi world together.

So yes in order for Sasuke's maturity to come full circle he will have to fail and admit Naruto is the best man for the Hokage title.
 
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IMO, Sasuke and Naruto will fight as equals over convictions to becoming Hokage, Naruto will win and Sasuke will know that the better man won. Naruto will later say that he can't do it alone and Sasuke will support Naruto during his reign and they will both revolutionize the shinobi world together.

So yes in order for Sasuke's maturity to come full circle he will have to fail and admit Naruto is the best man for the Hokage title.

So sasuke is becoming like a loser
 
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